Alien Invasion Imminent?

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I still contend that the human soul is this most sought after commodity in our galaxy. We still do not know the maximum importance of the human soul other what we are told or read about that has to do with religion.

The human race is still kept in the dark about our real reason for existing other then that God was lonesome. The yellow book that is supposedly out there that the aliens have and given to the Powers that are about the history of mankind may or may not be real or truthful. I do not care what anyone says we as a human race are meandering and trying to find out the real reason we are here and our true purpose of existence and not what some book telling us the reason we are here.

Some say we are under our Creator's control others say we are under Satan's control which is it? Yes we are told Jesus was sent to Earth by God to die for our sins. So why is the human race still sinners? O.K. and yes I understand man will always be a sinner but Why? Free will you say, and was our real creator Satan even though the Bible says different? Again we only know what someone tells us or what we read and that can be manipulated any which way. So the ultimate question is what is the real truth and not what somebody has told us.



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we have the evil corporate bankers hijacking free life and your heads still in the stars huh? i hear ya.

not a bad read but aliens are the last thing to worry about when 30,000 die everyday from starvation.
unite to defeat the globalists!

semper fi

We will be their food, after the climate has changed to better suit them. They have been manipulating human consciousness through our dreams. And now that they have one of their own in the White House (why else is there no record of his birth?), our defenses will be dismantled. And we will spend more effort debating which ones are good and which ones are bad, while the Chinese take over the world to control which ones of us go first to their food processing plants already built in offshore Chinese ships disguised as freight container vessels.

Thank you for an excellent speculative post. Quality of the posts you made has become a rarity on ATS, I think you deserve an applause but that is for moderators to decide.

Your posts are of quality that most members should try to do their best to produce. It takes time and effort, but is well worth it when even skeptics and debunkers can tell that things have been thought about. While I do not agree that there will be an alien invasion, I agree that there must be extraterrestial life out there and that they are visiting us.

And here's my reply to you:

I however believe that they are here for scientific purposes. What goes to actions that seem to us immoral, we might assume that their moral and ethics are very different from ours. Such differences have always led to conflict on earth, and might be a reason why they don't want to contact us directly. Rather, they appear every now and then for hundreds of years to implant symbolism in our culture, and then later on when that symbolism is installed, appear and prove to everybody that they exist.

Now, what comes to question whether they even have ethics, it would seem impossible to not have any rules of behaviour that do not stem from feelings and logic derived from consequences of having feelings and causing those to others. However, we can also assume that they simply have no feelings, but that thought for us is way too alien to completely comprehend. We shall see someday.

So, in that our conclusion differs a lot. You speculate about invasion, I speculate about contact and ways to achieve that without conflict. Our approach comes from different perspectives, obviously, but have a lot in common. You, too, take nature of human beings into account when you write, I can clearly see that.

Our government knows that Aliens and UFO's are a good thing to hide behind. If other Countries believe these ships are ours then we hold just that much more control.

I will even go as far to say that if the government knew how to use one of the ships "just one of there ships" to its fullest extent they could hold control of this Planet alone.

Long ago when these beings came from the skies it was we the human being who gave them the name God(s) that came from Heaven which means skies. A Pope Centuries again wanted control of peoples so things like changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday took place, the Church used trickery to make people believe in God and so the Church came to hold control over peoples in there ways.

The peoples learned to have Love and Faith in a God that they were taught to Love and it really isn't a bad thing because people I feel do need that Love and Faith, sometimes this is all that keeps them going.

Does the likes of the Vatican want you to know what really is when they have lived well and deceived for so many Centuries.

Throughout time Leaders were put in place of prominence and they learned power and riches (greed) and control of the peoples made them feel superior within themselves and as long as they could control they could have all they wanted.

If you look at the way things are done even in this day it is the same as it always has been done just in a different way with different technology.
Take Egypt and the Rulers and Slaves then move forward to this Generation and the Presidents, Queens, Kings, Elitist, etc. and then look at you and your schedules and how you work more for there wealth as they slowly take a little bit at a time away from you.

Earth is a Laboratory and a protected Planet. Why does the human race believe Earth is there Planet. Is it because they have more intelligence then say, Plants and Animals. Plants an animals have there own kind of intelligence and they are able to do things we can not do. The human brain with it's ability to have full activity is still in the stage where we are only able to use a small precentage of it we don't know how to use it. As a whole in this vast Universe the human race is known as a stupid species. If I wanted to get more involved with description we are to them as our animals are to us, some pets, some specimens and some just left to roam for the time being.

If they wanted to take this Planet over they could have done so at any time they chose. When it is mentioned that they have the ability to shut down our weapons and the suggestion they could do this to take us over you could also look at it as....... they can do this and they will do this if we are about to do something that will destroy this Planet because to them this Planet is there Planet.

I'll give you a hint OXYGEN is there enemy they can not breathe it, it kills them however they can breathe thin air.

They allow us to kill ourselves off but they will not allow us to destroy this Planet. I will tell you what we have for weapons are really not much more then tinkers toys they say but they observe and monitor 24/7 this entire Planet because our weapons can destroy.

I'm stopping here and I'm sure your happy with that. I just want to close with there is much more to what is and I appreciate the time people spend on trying to study this even with much put forth I can say there are truth's and untruth's written.

I know who I am and what I am to do here and it is hard for people to understand. I read what I write and I will say I have always written I am not a writer but I do share freely.

I know what I am going to write at this moment is going to make me look bad and sound as if I have a screw loose but there is a time that one has to stand forward when they know a race is destroying themselves. Your Creator's sent the soul within this human body back here to help you and I suggest to you are at the fork in the road and it's up to the path you chose now.

You are killing and destroying everything and I have written before if there is one piece of advice I could give for all mankind it would be: Plant Trees in mass and plants., you get you Oxygen, food and Cures from that gift, "The Tree of Life"....clean your water and soil not much more is important at this time in reality.

I know I still have love and faith in all of you to do the right thing I hope you wake and see the path.......... the peoples on Earth are now on the wrong path it's up to you.

Originally posted by oliuk
Coupled to this is the crux of my argument; that they are waiting for their home world to be at its closest point to us. It makes perfect logical sense. Its one thing to send small space ships and probes across large distances of space - supplies can be carried for a few, but a massive invasion armada? It would just make much more sense to launch it at the closest point.

No matter what I believe, I will have to agree that your reasoning appears to be logical and reasonable. Although your reasoning only matters if planet x exists, it is still sound in a speculative realm.

I'm not sure though why they would want to invade us, its hard for me to see a good reason for such an action unless their own homeworld is totally depleted and close to destruction. Or maybe they follow some religion or philosophy that causes warlike behaviour and expansionist nature. Or maybe they are just as warlike as we are. Who knows. They could be peaceful as well, see my reply to your paragraph below.

If they wanted to make contact they could have easily. If they were already at war with us then we would know. If they were just interested in 'studying' us as biological entities then why keep toying with our defences?

I'll bite this. Reason for this is the fact that there is no place on earth where defence does not exist. So, no matter where they go, military will react to their presence if they are spotted. That is the mission of military, to defend against known and unknown threat that could potentially be hostile. Think about it. If an unknown craft comes to USA airspace, what will military do? If they want to examine something, they will have to come and face military. It is a logical consequence of their curiosity, as far as I am concerned.

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Thank you for posting your thoughts on this subject. I have seen several UFOs and have photographed dozens. I have a website where I have posted these photos and my thoughts on the subject. If the monitors will permit it I would like to ask all of you to take a look at my website which is:
=http://cosmostarman.tripod.com/]http://cosmostarman.tripod.com/
Most of these craft are at roof top level and within a few hundred yards distance. I have had a lot of experience with them and their creatures but don't write much about the experience with the creatures. Most people just can't accept that these things are really happening. Most people think that an invasion isn't going to happen. My opinion is that it already has. I enjoy your thread and will continue to read. Thanks

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good read and you might just be right, we will know in a short time!

IF so, then Reagan was right...the nations of the world would all have to come together to mount a defense (maybe the NWO people know something that we dont ).

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I don’t think that anyone has a good explanation whether aliens will or will not invade our territory.
However I do think we are selfish and destructive nosey and curious beings. And curiosity always kills the cat .But as we know a cat has nine lives so eventually we will survive I think.
But we shall loose the numbers in population that we all should prepare for. I do think that particular things in our world attract aliens to our planet, like flies do to #e. And do also think that they already know that death is not the end of all that’s alive in this universe we are living in. That’s why it’s not their interest to conquer our world and observe us to extract what is needful to them.
If all resources have been exploited they will leave with no notion what so ever. And different races have different agenda’s for their own benefit of course. So finally we will meet our destiny like so many other planets have done before us. You can call it the marsian effect if you want to.

Good post



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The reason why we see good in a person and bad in another is very simple to explain really. When we are born and start to see the world around us, we have only are eyes to help us judge someone. We soon learn that a smile from someone is a friendly gesture. Likewise, if someone frowns upon us we learn that they are cross with us. It is these and many other facial expressions that make us decide what is good and what is bad. Most people paint demons with sinister expressions, ones we start to learn from the moment we were born.

I also, don’t believe that we are going to be attacked by Aliens. I believe they are more concerned that we might one day find them and their planet. We are the ones who are hostile here! We build bombs that are capable of destroying the whole of mankind.

A good OP posting but I have to disagree.
I do not think ET visits have increased in the past few decades but I DO think more people are looking skywards and more people than ever have cameras and camcorders so there are bound to be an increased number of sightings..... that is not the same thing as saying there are an increased number of visits.
Please just consider that for one moment.

PEACE.
RK

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Congratulations Oliuk, you made a thread that finally convinced me to join ATS rather than just lurk. Your theories were an interesting read, and (refreshingly) not full of hate and prejudice. I do disagree with your analysis on many points, though. I'll try to get to all I can remember...

First - Your theory seems to rely entirely on this planet x stuff, which I have never bought. It really seems completely implausable that we can detect planets many light years away, and yet haven't seen directly or indirectly any evidence whatsoever of some mysterious orbiting gas giant (or anything else significant for that matter). To be clear, I don't want to make this into a planet x believers vs nonbelievers thread, I'd rather just stick to your theory.

Second - With respect, your comparisons of Europeans settlers vs less technologically advanced natives are specious. Any alien species would necessarily be thousands if not millions of years ahead of us to do the things you describe - It's like comparing the difference between two bacteria cells to the difference between an amoeba and a human.

Third - The distance issue also makes little sense, which you also compare to human war efforts. It is highly unlikely the technology to do what UFOs do is insufficient to mount invasion over a couple billions miles (or whatever arbitary distance planet x is supposed to be away) but a few million miles is just fine.

Fourth - You bring up interesting points regarding conditioning to accept forms of beings more readily than others...but what about nature itself? Big scaly creatures ARE generally not things you want to go cuddle up with. There's a reason cats hiss - the sound mimics a snake and most animals instinctually fear snakes. So while I see your point to an extent, nature does often mimic human fears of reptilian creatures.

Fifth - No offense, but your premise reminds me a bit of the movie Signs...military probing? Why would "they" need to...with present technology we can ascertain almost anything from satellites, I highly doubt such a more advanced society would need to probe and risk detection. Furthermore, I have never seen an alien footage video that doesn't look like a poorly done hoax...have you?

Sixth - I don't know where you're going with the Iraq thing, but it doesn't help your cause, nor does it make much sense either. "Lets gather our forces on this area, suffer thousands of dead, many more wounded, and decreased moral (and possibly recruitment) just to get a foothold ready!" Nevermind the political consequences...Does that sound logical to you?

I could go on, but suffice to say, your post is very speculative - and I really think you overestimate humanity's ability to deal with an invasion - and underestimate alien technology. Your scenario also seems to suppose the aliens want humanity and the entire biosphere completely intact (otherwise why not just annihilate everything?) But then that begs the question - what good would humans be to them? I really doubt aliens need slave labor. It's possible the planet itself and its resources would be nice to have, but even that seems highly unlikely - why wait for humans to muck it up for you? And if habitable worlds are at least somewhat common - why here? I don't think everything you've alluded to is impossible -I've often wondered myself if there have been external influences shaping human history and have read a good deal on such subjects. But it seems like you have a gusto for a good story that is severely clouding your logic and your skepticism of current "ufo lore".

No, I don't believe so. It's merely speculation and a whole lot of guesswork on your part that you come to this conclusion.

If aliens are observing us, consider when the first sightings occurred, and the sites where ufos have been sighted. Roswell: Very close to the location of our first nuclear test, and also very close to the time of it. They have been spotted multiple times over nuclear facilities and bases that house nuclear missiles, etc. Even supposedly disabling the weapons and missiles while in flight no less, during tests.

Now consider us in a few hundred years. Say we've figured out a way to traverse space in a much more timely fashion than propulsion drives. We've discovered some planets with life. What would we do? I'd guess we'd have a non-interaction policy if they themselves are not space-faring. And if they were developing weapons, I'd guess we'd keep a very close eye on that. See what they've developed, and test our defenses, so if the times comes in their future where they might use those weapons against us, we can defend against them.

It could be as simple as that. Non-hostile, not wanting to get involved with us on a galactic scale as far as politics or trade goes (would you trade with a world that was mass producing weapons?), but wanting to keep up with our progress so they will know how they should deal with us, once the time is right.

For all we know, we are one of billions of planets that harbor sentient life, and it's just a routine plan of watching out progress. We are nothing special at all, in the cosmic scale of things, just one more species that needs watching.

Or as the Hitchers Guide puts it... "Mostly Harmless."

Hi again everyone,

Firstly thanks to everyone for getting a good discussion going here and for the nice welcoming comments from many of you; much appreciated.

I have to admit that a few things some of you have mentioned have made me think, but then my initial post was always speculation and never intended to be a precise and water-tight factual hypothesis. I expected many to disagree with the 'Planet X' thing outright, and also many to be utterly convinced that any alien race would be so advanced that fighting them would be futile or that they would be above violence.

I would just add that in my opinion, from things I take note of (and from a mind-opening visit I made as a teenager to Kitt Peak observatory in Arizona when I lived over in the states for a few years) space, even near space, holds many suprises. I do not believe for one minute that it would be 'impossible' for us to miss something, even if it was very large indeed, if it was approaching from the 'wrong' direction. Sure, certain areas of the sky are covered by thousands of amateur astronomers, but there are massive 'blind spots.' Most of the Earth's surface is water, then you have large areas like Antarctica, the Arctic and Africa, plus much of South America and Asia where there proabably aren't many people looking skywards with advanced telescopes. Plus, the really high tech equipment is government run, so would they tell us?

As for those who say 'stop worrying about aliens when the global elite are the real enemy' - well think of this; in Poland in late August 1939 there were elements of the population who were convinced that the 'real threat' was from the 'elitist Jews,' however I think that by the morning of September 2nd virtually all Poles were focused on one enemy - the external one! I don't expect too many people will give that one too much thought, but I'm sure a few of you will get what I mean.

To those who question why aliens would want our planet? Well, as far as I can tell every animal species on Earth seems to have a natural instinct to expand and take. It also seems that the one species who wants the most is the most advanced species; humans. So I'm just presuming that even more advanced species will be even more greedy. Many people want to think of more advanced beings as being above greed and violence, but I don't think thats possible. Why? A simple reason. If they were not violent and greedy then another species that is/was violent and greedy would have already wiped them out.

Hey, maybe I'm just too cynical! Right, off for another beer. Hope you are all having a great evening!