McDonald's: No workers comp for employee shot protecting patron

Haskett's boss Ray Nosler called him a hero for his actions last August and contributed to a fund setup for his employee. He provided a statement to FOX16 News.

Actually, there seems to be a fund set up for Mr Haskett already through Ray Nosler of Store #2900

10201 Rodney Parham Rd.
Little Rock AR 72207
Phone: 501-227-7914
Fax: 501-227-7914

reply to post by mental modulator


Yes it creates jobs. If your higher management they treat you very well. If you are not God help you because most of your management won't.

I wasn't fired from McDonalds I quit McDonalds because I couldn't stand the way they treated the crew people.

McDonalds doesn't hire full time crew people. They consider the jobs they make to be part time for kids and housewives that just want to get away from home.

McDonalds has no intention of making their employees not slaves to the system. They hire people on the system to get the kick back from the government for hiring them.

Towards the end of the month if you notice your local McDonalds will be short staffed a lot. The crew members that are on the system watch their wages if they make to much money they loose far more than what they make in food stamps and other benefits.

The reason they wait to the end of the month to do their call ins saying they won't be at work is because you might be scheduled to work 8 hours but managements labor is running over 18-19% of sales so they might get there and be told to go home or they might only work a couple of hours. Worse yet if the labor is to high but they know they have a peak hour or two coming you'll be sent on break an extended break of maybe two hours and told you can not leave. That when they need you they'll yell out and then you clock back in. Now if you are working and the business is really good and you ask for a break the response is We don't have to give you a break. There is no law in this state saying we have to. We are busy and you can't have one.

Yes thank God for these Jobs McDonalds creates. Thank God they know how to treat people like expendable cattle waiting for the slaughter.

Without places like McDonalds people might actually be able to get off the system.

By the way some of the best workers I've ever met in my life work at McDonalds. Laziness is not allowed at McDonalds. Some of the smartest people I've met work for them but for some reason they haven't had the luck to land a good paying job (like there are an over abundance of them out there).

Can you imagine working in a work place that they don't think you should be talking at anytime to your fellow co workers? The motto at McDonalds is "if you have time to lean you have time to clean..and if you can't find anything to clean I can find it for you."

One thing this guy has to look forward to if he sues McDonalds he won't work for another McDonalds again. They only seem to like sheep working for them.

reply to post by LostNemesis


Calling 911 is a good idea. After all, the police are only minutes away when seconds count.

Originally posted by BorgHoffen
Wasn't his job to break up fights.
Call the cops.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
*daah, should read the end of the thread before posting
The company has a moral obligation to provide a safe place for its customers. The police deal with the aftermath and investigate after the fact; this employee did the right thing. Those who can act have a moral responsibility to act in another person's defense.

[edit on 24-2-2009 by ngchunter]

reply to post by LostNemesis


I hate to say it but I agree with you. If he tackled the guy and bodily threw him from the store then it may end up all on him. There are limits to what the company is responsible for. I'm not saying that he did the wrong thing by intervening. Personally, McDs should spin this in a positive way.

I don't care if it all falls on the employee or not. They should do what is 'RIGHT' over what they are legally obligated to do.

reply to post by wolf241e


Oddly though, even after the movie, McD is making more money then ever.

The funniest thing I have heard was Morgan Spurlock was talking to his distributer about the success of the film. And Morgan was told that Super was now offered in those Red boxes, the dollar rentals. Except he said, one company refuses to stock it.
Guess which one?

reply to post by dariousg


If this guy had no problem abusing his woman in front of a bunch of restaurant patrons, most likely he is a beserker and could of started attacking somebody else as well.

If he was carrying a gun, he was planning on killing. Now, if he had killed the woman in the restaurant, I would imagine her family could of sued McDonalds for not protecting her, or having better security put in.

I am sorry, I think it is a sorry state of affairs when people don't help.

Now, we don't know the whole story, it is very possible this woman had left this man, but he came after her. Those types usually do.

Which is why it is so hard for women to leave!

I was in an abusive relationship, trust me, they make your life miserable.

reply to post by nixie_nox


If a person is shot in a restaurant, it is not the restaurants fault, or are they liable. When it is said a place of business creates a safe environment, it has reasonable limits. For example: The United States of America. Our President was just sworn in to protect the people. Should be now be sued because someone was shot in a restaurant?

Look, you want to call McDonald's an evil place, fine. Maybe that whole Ronald McDonald's House should be shut down. Maybe people should tell the parents who have benefited from RMD should be told "sorry, we are going to shut down all this so we can pay 1 person because they were shot, and that is what people wanted. Sure, the law states otherwise, but we will anyway."

Another thing that people really need to understand (that clearly most do not) is.. McDonald's did not deny the claim. McDonalds insurance company did, not McDonalds. If anyone here has been in a car accident and had to deal with insurance companies, they should well know it is not the individual you are dealing with, but the insurance company. Why isn't anyone upset with the business that actually denied it? For the record, Nigel Haskett's (the man shot) boss, Ray Nosler not only applauded him for his actions, publicly said he was a hero, and set up a fund for Haskett, all with McDonald's blessing.

So, now which is it. Is everyone here boycotting and insulting McDonald's who actually called him a hero, set up a fund for the injured man, and had nothing to do with the denial, or the insurance company who actually denied it. In the end, it will be up to the Workers Compensation Commission. It is still up for debate because the papers that Haskett signed states not to interfere with a robbery situation, however this was not a robbery situation, so it is "grey" area. Either way, it happened at McDonald's, the man worked at McDonald's; but it ends there. It is NOT McDonald's to be blamed, but the insurance company that denied the claim.

Just, take the time to research the situation and blame the correct parties, and perhaps take a moment to say "thank you" to McDonald's for not only calling the man a hero, but helping with the fund.

I'm sure MCD will do whatever they feel is in their best financial and legal interest, even if I don't agree with it.

Regardless, I'm fairly disgusted by the "he was trying to be a hero" comments. You know what? We need more "heroes" who are willing to take a chance to help someone in need.

I am disgusted when I see an old man crossing a highway, getting hit by a car, and then NO ONE stops to help him as he lays there dying. That's happened twice in the news in the last few months. People just ignoring those in trouble and need. It's not YOUR problem. Let that woman get beat up a bit more eh? The cops can help in 15 minutes when they finally roll in, and he has knocked a few of her teeth out.

Just disgusting.... for such a group of self-righteous know it alls, I guess when it really comes down to it, people are just cowards at the end of the day.

I watched a guy hit and run some dude's open truck door, shattering his window, and taking off. My wife stayed there to help the guy, and I followed this guy for almost 15 minutes. Once he stopped was able to get a motorcycle cop at the gas station I was at to go over to their car. Was a drunk driver who apparently had a few DUIs. But I guess it's not MY job to stop this guy eh? Should have just let the cops chase him, although he'd have gotten away, and who knows who he would have struck and killed in one of his drinking and driving routines.

Too many people don't care about helping others, don't want to get involved, don't want to stop a woman getting beat on the scene. I boggle that anyone can actually berate this fellow for trying to help. How pathetic.

reply to post by fleabit


I wish that everyone who tried to be a hero, was treated as such. Then we would probably have more hero's. Sad part is when you try to help someone, and it back fires. Soldiers for example. Hero's to some, killers to others.

A drunk woman was in a car crash and the car was on fire. A passerby pulled her from the car and minutes later the car engulfed in flames. Saved her life. Then the paramedics / rescue showed up. However, she claimed that she suffered injuries because the passerby moved her wrong. Sued him, and won.

This man saved her life, and she attacks him by taking him to court. Never mind the fact that injuries probably occurred during the accident that she caused by drinking, but the man's financial life was ruined.

Another case. I can't remember the specifics but someone performed CRP on another person until help arrived, probably saving their life. They got sued because (ready?) they interfered with a suicide. They wanted to die, and were stopped by someone trying to help. Sued over it.

There is the problem with the world. Money. Greed. A person could save someone's life, and someone will try to find a way to make money off it, even if it means ruining the person who just saved their life. That fear is what causes so many people to not react when they see danger. Unless they are "protected" by laws because of their job (police, fireman, doctor, ect) most people will shy away.

Laws and greed (insurance companies are great for that) just muddy up the virtue waters for everyone.

reply to post by LostNemesis


Actualy i think that you are wrong, is it not the employees job to keep the place in running order? Because if they didnt and every1 ran around doing whatever they wanted in their store, there wouldnt be a store for long. So by stoping the abuse that was going on inside the store to help from it getting out of control is the employees responsibility. Now if it was accros the street, no because he would be leaving his job. But he was at work doing his job IMO

reply to post by Shadow_Lord

McDonald's did not deny the claim. McDonalds insurance company did, not McDonalds.

Just an FYI, McDonald's pays said insurance company to act in it's behalf in such situations. The insurance company isn't appointed by government, and doesn't work for free, they are paid by McDonalds.

I'm willing to bet that if they told the insurance company to pay the claim, they would, if only at the threat of such a large contract moving to another insurance company.

Poor MacDonalds, they just can't catch a break. First Super Size me, and now this, and only 30,000 stores and 1.5 million employees.

The least they can do is take up a $1 collection, that will give the guy 1.5 million. Hell 25 cents a person, that would be enough.

Are these places run by idiots? A person does the right thing and saves the girls life, and get this in return. How sad is this. How sad is this.

They could even turn it in an ad campaign, about how great their employees are. But nope, beat the guy down.

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reply to post by CavemanDD


The foods only addictive to a point

I used to work there and ate the stuff sometimes 7 days a week and it get's damn boring after a while.

And about whether the guy was carrying out his job or not. The mate i reffered to in my earlier post (pg3) who broke his collarbone when the hydraulics broke on the dishwasher lid WAS doing his job and didnt get a payout, not even sick pay, don't buy the bull# official mcds line - he wouldn't get a payout if he was shot by some disgruntled psycho while he was making a mcflurry.

Originally posted by EvilAxis

The McDonald's employee's unwritten job description would include confronting the aggressor (if no other member of staff did so) while somebody called the police. Certainly it would have been prudent not to, but few of us would want to live in a world where everyone acted like McDonald's, putting legal obligation above moral responsibility.


[edit on 23-2-2009 by EvilAxis]

Not a chance. McDonalds doesn't want their employees confronting anyone. What if the good samaritan had given the thug a beat down? McDonalds would then be liable, and would surely pay in the resulting lawsuit.

then he should sue mcdonalds civilly,for not affording him the protection they would with a customer.
no more mickey d's for me...i might get shot,and not get help!!!!!!

[edit on 25-2-2009 by Spectre0o0]

reply to post by tristar


knowing that i have a family too look after, there is no way in the world that i would risk myself.....look at the outcome, at the end of the day what did he get out of it for his heroics ???

I'm boycotting mcdonald's until the company comes through for this young man. He at least deserves to have his hospital bills and rehabilitation paid for.

Hey, just wanted everyone to know, I wrote McDonald's the following letter

I've recently read a fox article regarding the shooting of Rodney
Parham that left him with multiple gunshot wounds, multiple surgeries and a
$300,000+ bill. He has filed for workers compensation due to the shooting
that occurred on the premises and was so callously denied.
Frankly I find this attitude toward a hero who was concerned about the
immediate safety of the woman being beaten, other employee's and other
patrons to be despicable. Not only should the brave young man have his
workers compensation claim approved, he should receive a reward for
possibly saving multiple lives at YOUR establishment.
I will no longer patronize ANY mcdonalds establishment until this brave
young man receives what is reasonably due regarding his workers
compensation claim.
If the mcdonalds corporation had any quality leadership, they would realize
that treating this person as the hero he is, would bring incredible amounts
of free POSITIVE publicity to the restaurant chain instead of the large
amounts of NEGATIVE publicity which you are currently experiencing.

This was their response

Hello Jon:



Thank you for taking the time to contact McDonald's to let us know your thoughts on this unfortunate incident.

Because this restaurant is an independently owned McDonald's and a claim is still pending, it is not appropriate for us to comment. The owner of this restaurant hopes this claim will come to a quick resolution and the right thing will be done.

Again, thank you for contacting McDonald's.



Jessica
McDonald's Customer Response Center

ref#:

A fairly quick, pointless response but real people are reading the letters at least.

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