If Jesus was to return today.

He Jesus was to return today, how many of you Christians would accept him, or would you not accept him at all and pas him off as a fake and a lier.

It has been spoken about the Jesus would have a second coming.

Jesus may already be amongst us but would we know ??
Would the Vatican accept him or quake as he may expose there lie's and deception ??

I am not here to bash a religion but this questions has always made me wonder " What if "

when son of god returns all living creatures will know.

no one will escapse his coming.


a good place to start for your self would be the book of revelations

reply to post by colec156
hey there,

eventually he'll be swooping in with the heavenly hosts, then you'll know for certain, huh

don't worry your pretty little head about him; the Father's got his back...

reply to post by gate13


It would be very interesting that if / when he does return, all the people who said I did this or I did that in the name of god, quake as they face judgment.

I will read revelations but I still fear that the word of god has been changed by the hand of man to suit his own needs.

reply to post by reject


I won't worry as I like the teachings of Jesus but am not of a religulous persuasion.

Hey I am a sinful person and Jesus was aware of this about everyone.
I will live my life as per normal, trying not to step on people's feet and annoy anyone.
But I stated earlier I fear that the word of God has been changed by the hand of man to suit his own selfish needs.

what if the second coming was actually the christ within each person capable of manifesting it.. started to wake up in them..

instead of one person coming back..

the "christ" returns.. but inside you.. and you become a completely pure spiritual being.. like your body actually changes and you emit your spirit and soul for all to see around you ..

i think people would accept that as truth.. because they wouldn't really be able to reject a "second coming" liek that now could they?

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We would probably all kill him...

I don't see why it should be any different to the first time around.

I guarantee he would be black or something and the less developed people of the world would kill him....

If someone were to return claiming to be Jesus, no matter how fantastical the entrance.. being on the educated side, I would not fall for the deception. It is mentioned in the Tanakh that the Tares will be gathered first and that who is left, will be the ones to inherit the earth.

Don't you ever wonder how the tares are to be gathered and disposed of first? Do you honestly think G.d will say, "Okay, all those against me, to the left side single file." ??? Read the Tanakh and do your best to understand it.. it will show you clearly the deception as opposed to the Truth in the NT.

And no.. I would not accept one raised from the dead. It is unnatural and creepy! I much prefer the Laws of Nature and to abide therein. They are mysterious and exciting in their own rite.

[edit on 22-2-2009 by justamomma]

Firstly, if he reappeared in his original form... that of a middle eastern man... he would firstly not be trusted as he would be a terrorist suspect. Secondly, the Catholic Church would attempt to assasinate him so as to keep it's hold over it's followers.
Thirdly, I do not beliebe the World would accept what he had to say and many would turn against him just as they did before.
Unless he arrives in a Worldwide shower of rainbows and angels fill the skies... he would be a dead saviour very quickly again.

reply to post by prevenge


Good call prevenge..

The "Global Christ Consciousness Awakening".

One problem though, most religious people are so far disconnected from their own spirituality that they only know how to bow down to an "external/material" god. They would and are viewing the "Christ Consciousness" as the coming of the anti-christ.

Check out John Allegro and the true origins of the Christian (Fertility Cult) religion.

en.wikipedia.org...



Peace


[edit on 22-2-2009 by TheRealDonPedros]

i am not sure if i posted this before on this forum but here goes anyway.

if the first Jesus heard a story about a man who would save his people from the romans and took on that role knowing that if he had enough support and won the battle against the romans he will have fulfilled the prophecy.

if he failed and that way realizing he was not the chosen one that the prophecy was talking about all he had to say was that he would be back and therefore leaving the way for the real "messiah".

maybe the talk of the second coming is in fact just a story to give people hope or the REAL man to free the Jews.

reply to post by TheRealDonPedros


Yeah,
I agree that so many of these religious people are so far detached from their own being that they no longer see understand who they are or who they are following.

They have seemed to lose sight of the land, so to speak.

Jesus?

Jesus who?

www.vexen.co.uk...

reply to post by colec156


haha.. I just had to comment on your signature! Made me laugh.. I also think it is funny that no one ever considers that Jesus, by not throwing a stone, was in fact admitting that he was not without sin himself (that is, if one buys into Jesus being an actual man that existed). Anyway, the sig is good for a laugh.

Most Christians will reject him, and they await and build up/support the anti-Christ system. Christianity is the church of Satan.

Jesus warns of a 2nd shepherd. Jesus warns of a religion that will be created in his name through a political power. Paul comes after Jesus, makes up nearly 50% of the "new" testament, more than Jesus and the disciples that walked with Jesus combined. Paul teaches that he is the new father and teacher, and appeals to Rome and political power. The Roman Empire establishes the church, and then proceeds to kill anyone who didn't go along with their bible and version. They were killed for their beliefs. This is all prophecy fulfilled.

Jesus warns about this in Matthew 7.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity means sin. And so those people thought they were doing many great works in his name, cast out evil and so on. But they did it with the sword and by killing which is breaking and commandment and is thus done in sin.

At the time of Jesus, Christians did not exist, because as I mentioned before it's a new religion since Jesus. So if you followed Jesus at the time of the bible, you were a Jew. So when the word Jew is mentioned in the bible, it is not only talking about Jews, but also about Christians.

Most people do not realize that Christianity is new since Jesus. So they actually wait for a new religion other than Christianity to come along. Christianity has over 1 billion members world wide - before the return of Christ when the power of this world is the same power that killed him before? And with their history of death and destruction? Won't be happy until the entire world is converted. If Jesus does anything less than that, they will reject him. But this is exactly what the end times stuff says about the anti-Christ religion.

They would reject Jesus for the same reason the Jews rejected him back then, because he will not fulfill what they expect of him. They are looking for some great warrior leader, just like the Jews did. Someone to come and save them and do everything for them. Who would Jesus bomb?

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Now, then lets get some definitions out of the way.

Apocalypse - A prophetic disclosure; a revelation.

Revelation
1. The act of revealing or disclosing.
2. Something revealed, especially a dramatic disclosure of something not previously known or realized.
# Theology. A manifestation of divine will or truth.

Jesus is the truth, the way and the light. So when the veil is lifted(and it is being lifted now IMO), then they truth will be clear for everyone and that is the return of Jesus. The return of truth.

So I'm a bit on prevenges side.

Also of note is John the baptist. Who Jesus says is actually Elijah reincarnated, but the people did not recognize him.

The people most hunted by the earlier christian church were gnostic Christians. Gnostic means knowledge, people who had spiritual knowledge were killed as heretics. Because the Christian church tried to keep people ignorant. I don't follow the gnostic texts and such, but I do normally find myself in agreement with gnostic, and as I do have spiritual knowledge I would be classified as a gnostic. I just don't know all the keys and such from their texts, and didn't learn from them.

But here is a video that goes into the history and persecution of gnostics. Still goes on today really, although obviously not quite so brutal. It's a 3 part video, starts out just explaining what gnostics are, and then goes on into the history. Click on the video to see the other 2.

At the time of Jesus, Christians did not exist, because as I mentioned before it's a new religion since Jesus. So if you followed Jesus at the time of the bible, you were a Jew.

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Check out that link I provided regarding John Allegro, the "Dead Sea Scrolls" and christianity.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here's some bits and pieces :


- John Marco Allegro (17 February 1923 London - 17 February 1988, his 65th birthday) was a scholar who challenged orthodox views of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Bible and the history of religion, with books that attracted popular attention and scholarly derision.

- In 1953 he was invited to become the first British representative on the international team working on the recently discovered Dead Sea Scrolls in Jordan.

- The Dead Sea Scrolls were written between 200 B.C.E. and 68 C.E., and give insight into the religious life and thought of a Jewish sect based at Qumran by the Dead Sea and usually identified as Essenes. Allegro believed the scrolls could help us understand the common origin of three religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He hoped they might be able to bring together scholars of each tradition in studying their common heritage without the barriers of religious prejudice.

- Allegro believed that Essenism was the matrix of Christianity. He suggested that there were so many correspondences between the scroll texts and the New Testament — words and phrases, beliefs and practices, Messianic leadership, a teacher who was persecuted and possibly crucified, that he thought the derivation obvious. This brought him into conflict with the Catholic priests on the editing team, and with most church spokesmen, who maintained the orthodox assumption that the arrival of Jesus was the unique, historical, God-given event described in the Gospels. Allegro also started to look in more depth at the way the New Testament appeared to weave together a mix of folklore, myth, incantation and history.

- As a philologist, Allegro analysed the derivations of language. He traced biblical words and phrases back to their roots in Sumerian, and showed how Sumerian phonemes recur in varying but related contexts in many Semitic, classical and other Indo-European languages. Although meanings changed to some extent, Allegro found some basic religious ideas passing on through the genealogy of words. His book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross relates the development of language on Eurasia to the development of myths, religions and cultic practices in many cultures. Allegro believed he could prove through etymology that the roots of Christianity, as of many other religions, lay in fertility cults; and that cultic practices, such as ingesting hallucinogenic drugs to perceive the mind of god, persisted into Christian times.

-Allegro believed the Dead Sea Scrolls raised issues that concerned everyone. It wasn't just a matter of dusty manuscripts and disputed translations. Rather, the story of the scrolls raised questions about freedom of access to evidence, freedom of speech, and freedom to challenge orthodox religious views. Allegro believed that through understanding the origins of religion people could be freed from its bonds to think for themselves and take responsibility for their own judgments.

Its not just Christianity which shares (and has lost) its roots with psychedelic entheogens, its all religions. It forms the basis/foundation for the spiritual experience and connects us with the stars through plants.

Jesus never left us.

Peace

reply to post by justamomma


Yeah maybe he was admitting he was with sin too.
But I really do like that saying, and use if often when I am at work.
I have work colleagues who moan about each others lack of work.

Sorry back to topic.

If Christ was to return, we'd know it. It'd be obvious. Hell would've been on Earth for a while before he returns too.

Jesus warns of a 2nd shepherd. Jesus warns of a religion that will be created in his name through a political power. Paul comes after Jesus, makes up nearly 50% of the "new" testament, more than Jesus and the disciples that walked with Jesus combined. Paul teaches that he is the new father and teacher, and appeals to Rome and political power. The Roman Empire establishes the church and then proceeds to kill anyone who didn't go along with their bible and version.

Where did Jesus say that a religion would be formed in his name by a political power? He says that in the last days, many would be deceived by a false shepherd. The certainly doesn't describe Paul! Paul was killed by Rome and Chrsitianity became established quite some time after! Paul never said that he was the father. It is true that Paul wrote a considerable amount of the New Testament, but you are aware that Peter, one of the disciples in the inner three, told everyone that what Paul taught was correct, right? Likening Paul's teachings to the Scriptures:

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. The are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

2 Peter 3.15-16 (ESV)

The Roman Empire forcing people to join Christianity was a bad thing because it caused what eventually became the Roman Catholic Church to stray and adopt pagan ideas, since you didn't have to be a Christian to join. It also forced on people the allegoricalization of the Scripture, which is a pity.

Jesus didn't throw a stone because he was teaching a message of forgiveness. Since he lived a perfect life, while he was here he had every right to just kill everyone. Don't worry though, when he returns, he will judge all those who sin.

Originally posted by justamomma
reply to post by colec156

 

haha.. I just had to comment on your signature! Made me laugh.. I also think it is funny that no one ever considers that Jesus, by not throwing a stone, was in fact admitting that he was not without sin himself (that is, if one buys into Jesus being an actual man that existed). Anyway, the sig is good for a laugh.

However, he does separate himself and the father. Says the father is much greater than him, and such. He doesn't make himself out to be the father. And vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. And so he was likely pointing out those people were being hypocrites and should all be standing in line with the person about to be stoned if that is what they truly thought should be done.

When I see him doing those things, I see him just pointing out the hypocrisy of the people.

In the god in 10 secs thread, someone mentioned in Matthew where Jesus talks about killing the child and why the pharisees didn't follow that one as a way of saying Jesus was scorning them for not doing so. When he was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and how they put man's laws and traditions above god's laws, and just use god as "justifications" for their actions. Because if they were truly doing the things because they actually believed in keep god's laws as such, they would also be doing that one. The situation was prompted because the disciples didn't wash their hands, and they were scolded for man's tradition. So he wasn't saying go kill children, he was pointing out the hypocrisy. He does that alot.

As all sin, then people as such can just sit around and point out the sin in however doesn't go along with their power and ignore in those who don't. I'm sure we all know about selective enforcement. That's pretty much what they did to Jesus in his trial. They conspired against him before that because he threatened their power.

Short of a Day The Earth Stood Still kind of entrance anyone claiming to be The True Messiah
would be turned over to social services for a full psychiatric evaluation.

I know a whole lot of people want "their stories" to come true, but I'm afraid we'll
see space ships landing on the mall before we see a second coming.