Why do Americans not care anymore

reply to post by silo13

Even if there (may be) hundreds of thousands waiting to *join* but no one willing to take the responsibility to head up a revolt, and as responsibility has been left to the government for so long it’s been virtually bred out of Americans - what’s an American to do but sit back and wait?

Actually, it has ALWAYS been that way, even back to the American Revolution.
revolution.h-net.msu.edu...

We now know that in every part of the United States, but especially in the South after 1778 (when the British transferred its military operations to that region), Americans fought Americans. Sometimes, American family members fought each other, as fathers sided with the British and sons with the Americans (or visa versa). Historians now believe that forty percent of Americans were patriots; twenty percent were Loyalists, who supported the British; and forty percent were neutral, preferring to be left alone during the hostilities.

The actual number of soldiers actibely FIGHTING in the revolution was a minute percentage of the 4 million people in America at the time:
en.wikipedia.org...

About 250,000 men served as regulars or as militiamen for the Revolutionary cause in the eight years of the war, but there were never more than 90,000 total men under arms at one time. Armies were small by European standards of the era; the greatest number of men that Washington personally commanded in the field at any one time was fewer than 17,000.

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by ConservativeJack

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by ConservativeJack

the hell is that?


if you are living so well on your high horse why dont you send some money to the members of ATS that have lost their jobs????? if you like obama so much then spreading your wealth should be no problem

[edit on 21-2-2009 by Swatman]

it's the address to my business, state and area code excluded.

i'm not on a high horse,

but I'm not on the floor either

i'm not a piggy bank, 600k may seem like a lot to you but I overextended my self with shore properties, I bought a total of 5 beach houses in Ocean City NJ. I'm paying 120 grand a month in mortgages.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack


it's the address to my business, state and area code excluded.

i'm not on a high horse,

but I'm not on the floor either

i'm not a piggy bank, 600k may seem like a lot to you but I overextended my self with shore properties, I bought a total of 5 beach houses in Ocean City NJ. I'm paying 120 grand a month in mortgages.

and its things like this exactly that america is in the condition it is in. people that over extend themselves and then expect a hand out because of their own mess.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack

Originally posted by RFBurns

Imagine that....being surrounded by your own trash.

you have quite the imagination

telling me to change my attitude?

that my money and business will be worthless?

lol, I own a health care company, Obama's my best friend!

Government pays my checks!

So, get out of my face with the world is ending, ats, dime a dozen, fear mongering,

Ill give you this..your quite humerous. Oh dear....did I rattle your cage there? Now how about that. A mere comment on a post rattles your cage that much.

I would not want to be around you when your 1 percent write off world comes crashing down, and your best friend is the reason for it.

Yes you should change your attitude. Soon people wont be able to afford your health care products.

I own 4 businesses, 2 of which are online businesses, all 4 of them have felt the effects of this depressed economy, I am quite sure yours has also felt the effects. We are fortunate to be able to write off losses. But you know what, those losses are recovered from government money, ie tax dollars. And tho I do make a very good living with my businesses, I dont close my eyes and my persona to those being affected by the economy.

Its called being human, having a heart, having compassion for your fellow man/woman. I was once living in my vehicle, eating those instant lunch soups and wondering if the next day I could find temporary labor work to get another 50 or so bucks for the day. Worked my butt off for years to get where I am at. I dont expect the government or your best friend there to come make my world better for me. Which means that when it all comes crashing down, it wont be a shock to my persona and I will be able to deal with it.

Being passive about everything is part of the problem in this country, especially those in that 1 percent. Hope that someday, before that happens, you wake up and smell the real trash thats happening.

The rest will be able to handle it. I am not convinced you will be able to. Government wont come to your rescue. Obama wont lift you up and take you to the glorious promised land. You will be in the muck pit with everyone else, as I will be too. Lets see what happens in the comming months, I suspect that within 4, you will be finding a new best friend.



Cheers!!!!

Not to argue against your post, in fact I think this is pretty much in support of it; but I think it's not that they (any country's people) don't care - it's that they don't know, and are actively, purposefully, and with intent constantly 'distracted' from the essence of the truth.

Even when they are told the truth, it is 'revised' and 'molded' by the talking heads we are all programmed to accept as 'wise and informed' - even if all they are is actors reading off a teleprompter.

[edit on 21-2-2009 by Maxmars]

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by ConservativeJack


it's the address to my business, state and area code excluded.

i'm not on a high horse,

but I'm not on the floor either

i'm not a piggy bank, 600k may seem like a lot to you but I overextended my self with shore properties, I bought a total of 5 beach houses in Ocean City NJ. I'm paying 120 grand a month in mortgages.

and its things like this exactly that america is in the condition it is in. people that over extend themselves and then expect a hand out because of their own mess.

I'm in a mess. That's true.

But, I can afford to pay for every house I bought.

600k in 5 years is 3

I have 3 million dollars in cash already.

So, I get by because I saved my money and didn't buy SL's and Aston's...I was responsible but I'll take help if I can get it. I am going to sell 1 beach property for 1.5 and that will be sufficient.



[edit on 21-2-2009 by ConservativeJack]

Cheers!!!!

why are you trying to paint me as the guy needing help?

i'm the guy that did it right

i'm the example

my business is booming

i picked the right industry

don't hate the player, hate the game dude...

Originally posted by ConservativeJack

Originally posted by RFBurns

Imagine that....being surrounded by your own trash.

you have quite the imagination

telling me to change my attitude?

that my money and business will be worthless?

lol, I own a health care company, Obama's my best friend!

Government pays my checks!

So, get out of my face with the world is ending, ats, dime a dozen, fear mongering,

Thank you. This explains a lot.

Now I know why my elderly mother had her serves cut when the MD changed her treatment and the agency said that they could not continue to send the nurse and the medication daily.

Now I understand why we could never keep a nurse consistently because they were leaving for other positions because they said they could not afford to stay in home health anymore and pay for their homes and their cars.

Another wonderful example of how well that trickle down theory works.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack


why are you trying to paint me as the guy needing help?

i'm the guy that did it right

i'm the example

my business is booming

i picked the right industry

don't hate the player, hate the game dude...

Did I ever say I hate you? Did I ever say you didnt do anything right? No I dont think so.

Why should I hate the game? As I said, I am doing quite well with my businesses. Thats enough for anyone to know. I dont need to throw around specifics to make myself look above others or to boost my ego either.

Seems the majority here think you have an attitude problem to the issue being discussed, and that you seem to want to throw around the idea that your above everyone else....that friend is a problem in attitude...and yes that needs some help.

I think everyone here sees quite clearly what your about. Nuff said.



Cheers!!!!

[edit on 21-2-2009 by RFBurns]

Why should I hate the game? As I said, I am doing quite well with my businesses. Thats enough for anyone to know. I dont need to throw around specifics to make myself look above others or to boost my ego either.

I think everyone here sees quite clearly what your about. Nuff said.



Cheers!!!!


You're doing quite well but 2 of your businesses are failing?

What are you about? You call me a liar, flame me, I defend myself, you come at me with paragraphs about a bunch of fear mongering embarrassingly dependent rhetoric about the world is ending and my business will soon be worthless and my street will be riddled with trash because the trashman has stopped collecting because the local state government has collapsed.

Originally posted by uaocteaou
The difference, I believe, between the Frech and th U.S.A. well, one stark difference is that "over there" the governments are afraid of the people, here the peope are afraid of the government.

I think its more of a problem of being passive than afraid. Someone else will do something about it attitude. Those folks could learn alot about being involved by those who took action back in the 60's.

Originally posted by uaocteaou
We hav all become too wrapped up in our x-boxes and the cult of celebrity, that we've become lazy and apathetic. How mny times have you heard someoe say "why doesn't someone do something about that?" well, that someone should be you, and me, but unfortunately we always allow ourselves to become complacent.

Its the attitude of the guy next door will do something so I dont need to. Thats the problem, most think that someone else will handle it, and thats not enough to make a change happen.

Originally posted by uaocteaou
I am so frustrated by the fact that I hve allowed myself to become one of the masses, and it really pisses me off.

Having worked "on he iside" for many years, I have personally seen first hand how our government manipulates us and the lives we live.

-peace

Ahh but your here and you see whats going on, and you recognize whats going on and even know what must be done! Give yourself some credit friend, not everyone has the guts to admit they may have been wrong and are angry at themselves. Some like to just spout about how they just write off everything and sit on their butts and dont care.

Star for you!!



Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by ConservativeJack

You're doing quite well but 2 of your businesses are failing?

What are you about? You call me a liar, flame me, I defend myself, you come at me with paragraphs about a bunch of fear mongering embarrassingly dependent rhetoric about the world is ending and my business will soon be worthless and my street will be riddled with trash because the trashman has stopped collecting because the local state government has collapsed.

Did I say 2 of my businesses are failing? Geez you sure do seem to pick nat s... out of thin air dont you.

Go back and re-read what I wrote, this time read what is there and not what you want to put into the paragraph.

But in case your too lazy to go back and re-read, I will repeat.

I own 4 businesses, 2 of which are ONLINE. I am earning a very good living with them, but all 4 have felt the effects of the depressed economy.

Ok...is there anywhere in there where I say 2 of them are failing?




Cheers!!!!

Wow, I was going to join in with some input.

You guys have covered most of it, except wasting time on someone whom does not even care.

One of you mentioned that people don't know.
This is very true, but it extends for the most part that they know something is very wrong, but they just don't want to know.

The poster with the Revolution numbers. I knew that was close, but had never seen anything on it yet. It really will just be less than 1 million of us that stand up and take action. Hopefully in the next couple of months. If we don't, the numbers will be bigger that stand up, but it will only be in local self defence and will take years and years before the corrective measures are put into place.

It's too bad they could not take it one more step this week.

If every buisness was closed for a week. I mean everything.
Yes, some would die, some would kill, it would be chaos.

But just maybe,.............................. just maybe people would stop, listen, learn, and finally do something about it.

It will never happen this way.

reply to post by ConservativeJack

lol, I own a health care company, Obama's my best friend! Government pays my checks! So, get out of my face with the world is ending, ats, dime a dozen, fear mongering,

That is a rather interesting comment, considering these comments you made about Obama on an OP YOU created on 11-30-2008:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I propose, Liberals are secretly HAWKISH on the war. They are secretly on BOARD with GW Bush. Think about it, Obama has been elected for a month and he hasn't said ONE WORD about Iraq. He is planning on WINNING and TAKING THE CREDIT. Those of us who listened to these LIBS for 8 years telling us we were "raiding Civilians and bombing children" (Obama's words not mine), actually were LYING and simply LYING to WIN! Ugh, you have to love that audacity of hypocrites. It's honestly pathetic.

So which is it? Is Obama your BEST FRIEND, or is he PATHETIC? The world awaits your answer, Jack.

I don't think we can change to be honest. We are too complacent with our lives. We let things happen because we accept that if we dissent, we face being locked up by a swat team or such. It's especially sad that America was founded on exactly the opposite of this mentality. The only way we can rise up to save ourselves, is if we have the support from a military of some type, even THE military. Good luck with that.

We're afraid of our 'protectors'...

reply to post by ConservativeJack


How do you have negative points in the thousands? You must be real popular here cause that's the first time I have seen a negative that high.

I don't make crap, I have been on unemployment since April last year a ex-felon who is barred in my State because of laws and insurance policies to have a decent job.
Stay up there with your money and your smugness.We will see what happens when this situation keeps crumbling and the stimulus just bandaids the bleeding and still keeps spiraling, it will be like the French revolution and folks like you will be headed to the guillitine.

Yea, I'm a Loser, a loser who will get to pull the cord on you one day, soon.

[edit on 21-2-2009 by Bruiex]

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
So which is it? Is Obama your BEST FRIEND, or is he PATHETIC? The world awaits your answer, Jack.

We´re sorry, Jack is currently unavailable for comment, he is trying some of his own valium.

I have just called Accucare Home Health to order some Viagra and they never even heard of Conservative Jack. Imagine that!

reply to post by Bruiex


Sorry, but I've had neg. points trying to stand up to these ego centered trolls. Just like the Glenn Beck thread, they come on for kicks to try and disrupt a good thread people actually care about and are making progress on.

reply to post by Bruiex




I agree with a lot of whats been said so far on the issue. (As Americans we have become more complacent/lazy)
But...I also find it funny that on countless websites you'll see 99% of posters saying how disgusted they are with the state of America and how they will not stand by and take it, yet nothing changes.

There seems to be a thousand internet tough guys saying we should take action and open our eyes blah blah blah.......but things (according to the same people) are getting worse. If so many posters on the internet feel SO strongly then why are more civil liberties being taken away, stimulus plans being passed, etc etc?



Ultimately these posters are gonna do what we all are going to do, NOTHING. At least until it affects you personally. So please everyone stop acting like they are going to fight The Man, because at the end of the day you are going to pay your taxes, watch reality tv, and eat big macs.


Do I agree with everything the gov is doing? No. But lets all be honest, people are selfish and will only act when their own interests are threatened.