911 Truth: Condition-Terminal

reply to post by CameronFox

Gee Cameron, it was you who made the assertion that all questions about 9/11 have been asked and answered. I'm just following up and respectfully disputing your claim.

Wouldn't you agree that the identity of these "hijackers" -- an issue that's been totally ignored by the FBI -- is a reasonable question?

Since the 9/11 movement is dead and there's only a few of us left, I'm sure you can easily clear this up.

There is no evidence here, that the 9/11 truth movement is falling.

more 9/11 truth sites are being created, which means less traffic on others.

I see more evidence of it growing, every year on september 11th, the wearechange and 9/11 truth rallies in NYC are bigger every year.

If i recall they had there biggest rallie on september 11th 2008, with about 50,000 ppl.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


There are many threads here at ATS that have discussed it. I will however respond to you since you asked so nicely.

You have read the response the BBC posted since you responded.... Good, you are a step ahead of most truthers in that you actually continued to read.

Allow me to point out that the BBC does not believe or endorse any CT's that claim any of the hijackers are alive.

Here is what they said:

We later reported on the list of hijackers, thereby superseding the earlier report. In the intervening years we have also reported in detail on the investigation into the attacks, the 9/11 commission and its report.

-BBC

USA Today:

Saudi Arabia acknowledged for the first time that 15 of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackers were Saudi citizens...

Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

"The names that we got confirmed that," Nayef said in an interview. "Their families have been notified."

www.usatoday.com...

Have any of these 14 (of the 19) hijackers come forward to say their family members are not dead? Or that they have spoken to them? No.

There is more info here:

19 Martyrs

[edit] (I posted this a minute after Cameron replied, but he still hasn't resolved the "mistaken identity" issue.)

Once again, the UK Telegraph never retracted or corrected anything when they reported:


The story of these identity thefts was also briefly reported by ABC. The FBI does not deny this. Nobody denies this fact because it is easily verifiable. Instead, the U.S. media and government just ignore this inconvenient little fact and keeps on repeating the monstrous lie that the hijacker identities are known and that 15 of them were Saudis.

In September 2002, Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open.

Cameron, can you explain this mess? Does the FBI even know the identity of these so-called "hijackers"? Did they even exist? Why does the FBI now say "there's not enough hard evidence against Osama bin Laden to send to a Grand Jury?"



[edit on 16-2-2009 by GoldenFleece]

Originally posted by Blundo
There is no evidence here, that the 9/11 truth movement is falling.

So, you think the decline of web traffic in double digit numbers is encouraging?

more 9/11 truth sites are being created, which means less traffic on others.

You only need to look at the amount of "hits" on these sites to think that they are having such an impact on others.

I see more evidence of it growing, every year on september 11th, the wearechange and 9/11 truth rallies in NYC are bigger every year.

You are way off.
www.meetup.com...
Click there to see how many people have showed up to their meetings.

Last 10 meetings:

Average Attendance: 1.5

One meeting had 6 in attendance.



If i recall they had there biggest rallie on september 11th 2008, with about 50,000 ppl.

No, sir. You are way wrong. I believe the truther estimates was somewhere around 2 HUNDERED.

reply to post by GoldenFleece



This is exactly why I am not getting pulled into this. As soon as I start to show you FACTS... you start to move the goal posts with the FBI and BIN Laden crap.

Start a NEW thread pertaining to the hijackers. It's not my fault you are blind.

Originally posted by CameronFox
You think that is impressive? More people are far more concerned with UFO's and Aliens than they are with the government killing 3K innocent people.

So they should be. What's your point?

9/11 was a singular event, even if it wasn't an original idea.

Suppressing alien information is a far more secretive agenda, that has so far been successful. Most people react with ridicule, as directed to by the MSM. Alien presence on Earth is a more pertient issue than the events of 9/11.

Aww, too bad I am in the middle of organizing a local 911 Truth group to help disseminate information, and already the response is quite positive. Exciting, even. Too many people still in the dark.

I wont waste anymore ATS database bandwidth and start a logical fallacy thread as did CF.... but... just to put things in persepective before i check out..

9/11 "Govt Story" sites - Condition Terminal

NIST
Down 22%

9-11Commission.gov
Down 20%
(doesnt register top 100k)

911Myths
Down 30%
(doesnt register top 100k)

Screw Loose Change
Down 29%
(doesnt register top 100k)

Debunking 911 Myths
Down 50%
(also register top 100k)

All "Debunker sites" and "Debunkers" combined, perhaps 5 or 6 place their name to their claims. The list is shrinking. Many on the list have withdrawn from from "Debunker Status". James Meigs and Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, Mark Roberts - NYC Tour Guide and "Debunker Extraodinaire".. [insert your favorite "debunker" here].

"Truther Sites"/lists continue to grow with real people who have verifiable credentials.

reply to post by RockHound757


Thank you Rockhound for supporting my OP. You see, when the truthers die off...there is less debunking needed.

There have been massive layoffs at the NWO offices.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Aww, too bad I am in the middle of organizing a local 911 Truth group to help disseminate information, and already the response is quite positive. Exciting, even. Too many people still in the dark.

TrueAmerican,

What city are you starting this in?

What is your expected attendance?

How are you funding it?

When will you be going to the authorities with your evidence?

[edit on 16-2-2009 by CameronFox]

CF, your harping on page views reminds me of that famous quote from Disraeli: "There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics."

On a personal level, apparently things can't be that moribund: you're back on the forum, with a spiffy new rug, after a very long hiatus. If 911 is fading to insignificance, what's the incentive for you to resurrect yourself to beat a supposedly dead horse? Or does the NWO propaganda arm institute 6-month subject rotations so you guys in the basement don't go stale?

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Thanks TrueAmerican,

When I first saw the OP's oringinal post I immediatle thought; 'Here we go again' more baiting from someone who has little better to do than act with destructive negativism. Unfortunately, we all took the bait.

Regarding beliefs I'm finding that now many colleagues and acquaintances, having being distanced from the trauma are starting to question Natrually, not all are into specialist forums (for many, and with good reason, IKEA on-line seems to be more important...) but I see a change - a total lack of belief in the official story.

To many, what is more fundamental to the consequences of 911 are the missing weapons of mass destruction that the oh so honset govenments of the US and UK fabricated... if that wasn't true why shoud the official story - especially when $ billions were involved?

Peace!

mate normally i wouldn't of wasted my time on on this post,once you know the truth the need to visit these sites ends the fact that they are still getting so many hits pleases me greatly,
9/11 is just a starting point for the huge amount of info out there for all to see,and you know its working with the governments around the world quickening there pace to control the internet

good luck with your denial my friend

no no really:



You must really think I am a fool. Well hate to break the news to you, but like hell I am going to make your job any easier on you. Yes, another little sprouting seed is getting watered, much to your dismay. You just hate that. And I just love it. I put the word out to a few friends in the area, and they are talking to their friends. And so on and so on. They appear to be starving for information. They don't understand how those planes could have possibly disappeared into those towers like that.

They don't understand how the Bush administration could deny an investigation for over a year on the biggest crime scene ever. They don't understand many many things. And many of these people don't have internet, or if they do it's dialup, or they are very rarely on and continue to watch MSM, which gives them NOTHING.

So naturally, when someone like me comes around, at least able to answer a few questions, well what can I say? The response has been overwhelming. And I won't ever be the researcher that people like Craig and Dave or Alex are. But I can damn sure point them in several directions to help them make up their own minds! And I will! I will, I will, I WILL! Eat it, baby. Today is a good day.

[edit on Mon Feb 16th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

I find it interesting that although I am being labeled a shill and a troll, you guys can't keep away.What have you offered?

Nothing but name calling.

Where's the beef? You are all upset that your fantasy is not reaching out like it did in 2006.

Maybe during the 10 year anniversary you guys will see an increase in kids searching for snake oil. Charlatans like those involved with PilotsFor911Truth will see an increase in their sales. The 10 year Pilots 4 911 Truth wall clock will be a commodity!

reply to post by CameronFox


Seems to be to be case of the pot calling the kettle black?

Love your wonderfully open mind.

Peace!

reply to post by RockHound757


344 signatures at Firefighters 4 911 Truth.

Less then 40 of them are firefighters.
www.petitiononline.com...

Only one that claims to be from the FDNY.

There are 361,000 paid firefighters in the United States. This means that 0.011% of the firefighters population has signed this petition.

I run Studyof911.com I can say for sure that the increase in 9/11 truth sites is real, not exactly a decline as you will see here.

Below are a few images of my statistics on the site, as in how many people and what not. Look for yourself, is is shrinking, or increasing?

This is from 2007



2008




2009




As you see the numbers increase, not decrease. Then again we can always do what the "debunkers" do and fudge the numbers.

reply to post by CameronFox


Sorry Cameron, have been watching the various topics surrounding 911 for a while now and you always appear to duck the basic issues.

You keep sprouting statistics until the cows come home - it doesn't answer the basic premise that your govenment lied, concealed and rejected any open questioning by those whom elected it. Democracy huh?

As TrueAmerican stated above, we are all talking to each other - not necessarily over the internet or via forums. And yes, each of us can cause a ripple that causes a ripple which.... spreads. And hopefully in the future, democratic Govenments of whatever colour can once again be questioned. (I was around when Vietnam 'happened' - tell me statistcially the benefits of US and Australian involvement there?)

Anyway, enjoy your obviously content life.

Peace!