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'It was a sudden catastrophic event that took place and then 30 seconds later it impacted,' an NTSB investigator says. Recovery efforts are slowed as water that doused the wreckage turns to ice.
Originally posted by calcoastseeker
So do you all "loons" get the same amount of time each night to get on the computer and the internet and post this stupid crap.
A plane flying into BUFFALO NEW YORK (yes,where it is colder than heck and has bad winter weather) crashed while trying to land.
The flight was delayed for two hours before leaving Newark because of the weather!
Every sane person in the world knew that the weather on the east coast was bad.
Icing was an issue and the air traffic controllers were asking pilots if they were experiencing it.
It was a weather related aircraft accident Nothing more nothing less.
Originally posted by surrealist1978
AND THEY MAKE IT SAFE ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE N ELSE WHERE WHO EXPERIENCE COLD N ICEY WEATHER.....PILOTS ARE TRAINED FOR THIS SORT OF THING...........SO THE WEATHER SITUATION UR REFERING TO I DONT BELIEVE 4 ONE MINUTE THAT WAS THE REASON.........
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
For those of you saying, "OMG it's definitely a conspiracy because the pilot didn't radio for help":
Buffalo plane crash was 'instantaneous,' investigator says
'It was a sudden catastrophic event that took place and then 30 seconds later it impacted,' an NTSB investigator says. Recovery efforts are slowed as water that doused the wreckage turns to ice.
Originally posted by sueloujo
She was also about to take them to court ...to find out all the answers to many peoples questions. I think that is quite a threat to TPTB dont you?
www.commondreams.org...
Not really just a widow who wanted a memorial stone built now is it?
How are you holding up?
If I knew that [after] three years we would still be waiting for intelligence reform, I don't know if I would have signed up. My life feels like that movie Groundhog Day; I'm constantly getting out of a cab in front of the Rayburn House Office Building, trying to get something done.
This photo provided by the White House, taken Friday, Feb. 6, 2009, shows President Barack Obama shaking hands with Beverly Eckert in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington during a meeting with a group who lost family members in the 9/11 and the USS Cole tragedies.
Last week, she met with President Obama about the closing of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Fetchet said in a statement.
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by sueloujo
Where's the banging head against a brick wall icon??
Again I refer you to my post on page 11, I'm getting tired of repeating myself.
This photo provided by the White House, taken Friday, Feb. 6, 2009, shows President Barack Obama shaking hands with Beverly Eckert in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington during a meeting with a group who lost family members in the 9/11 and the USS Cole tragedies.
And
Last week, she met with President Obama about the closing of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Fetchet said in a statement.
Clearly you aren't going to see common sense, which is fine but at least get your facts straight.
For example she wasn't there 3 day before the crash it was 6.
She also wasn't the only 9/11 widow who saw Obama that day.
[edit on 15-2-2009 by Chadwickus]
Icing, which the crew of the plane reported shortly before the crash, is one possible reason, but Steven Chealander, the safety board member assigned to the investigation and a retired airline captain, said the aircraft had a sophisticated ice protection system.
The plane was equipped, he said, with pneumatic boots, which are a bit like tires, on the front edges of the wings, the tail and the vertical stabilizer, that inflate and contract twice a minute to break ice accumulations, as well as electrically heated propellers. The system gives an indication in the cockpit if any boot is not working, and so far, investigators have found no sign of such an indication, Mr. Chealander said.
“This Dash 8 is a workhorse airplane,” he said. “It’s not really susceptible to ice.”
The commuter plane that crashed near Buffalo on Thursday night slammed to the ground flat on its belly, with almost no forward momentum and facing opposite its intended route, seconds after two automatic warnings to the pilots that the plane was not moving fast enough to stay aloft, the National Transportation Safety Board said on Saturday.
Originally posted by sueloujo
Why do you continually try to downgrade this woman who has spent much of her life since her husband died trying to get to the truth. "she was only a widow trying to get a memorial set up". She was a a lot more than that.
I apologise I was 3 days out when she met Obama but the point remains the same...she had not given up nor got fed up with it. She had not been bashed down by the authorities and was continuing her efforts by meeting with a new president in the hope of "change".
She was not letting the court case rest....do you know how long these things take?
Now you can go bash your head...
Last week, Eckert visited the White House when President Obama met with relatives of those killed in the 9/11 attacks and the bombing of the USS Cole, to explain the new administration's policies on capturing and prosecuting terrorism suspects, and preventing future attacks.
Speaking at the White House on Friday, Obama praised Eckert as "an inspiration to me and to so many others."
Cockpit instruments apparently indicated that onboard anti-icing systems were operating normally on a Continental Connection turboprop shortly before it stalled and crashed near Buffalo, N.Y. Thursday night from what now appears to be deadly accumulation of ice on some critical flight surfaces, according to federal investigators.
The latest information released by the National Transportation Safety Board raises questions about the operation and design of the mechanical de-icing systems, or so-called rubber boots, that inflate to shed ice off the leading edges of the wings and some tail surfaces on the widely-used Bombardier Q400 aircraft. Steve Chealander, the safety board member serving as spokesman for the roughly 150 investigators, law enforcement officials and others sifting through the wreckage, told reporters earlier Saturday that the plane had "very sophisticated de-icing systems" that the pilots turned on.
Based on information gleaned from the cockpit-voice recorder, according to Mr. Chealander, there was no discussion of any kind before the crash indicating that the systems were not working properly. "We hear no indication thus far" that lights in the cockpit alerted the crew to problems with anti-icing equipment, Mr. Chealander said. Once turned on, the anti-icing systems are designed to cycle automatically until the pilots turn them off.
The findings are important because investigators Saturday described a sequence of events further buttressing preliminary indications the twin-engine turboprop lost its ability to fly due to severe icing.
In his press conference, for example, Mr. Chealander said a "cursory visual look" at the engines indicated they were operating before the impact. Investigators have said that so far they have found no indications of engine or flight-control system malfunctions.
Adding further support to the notion that icing brought down the plane, the safety board said the pilots had been flying using the autopilot during an earlier part of the descent toward the airport, when they noticed significant ice build-up on parts of the cockpit windshield and windshield wipers. The flight-data recorder indicates the plane went out of control almost immediately after the pilots disconnected the autopilot and started extending the wing flaps. In a classic icing accident, such actions suddenly put a plane into a stall.
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by questioningall
The article you posted continues:
Adding further support to the notion that icing brought down the plane, the safety board said the pilots had been flying using the autopilot during an earlier part of the descent toward the airport, when they noticed significant ice build-up on parts of the cockpit windshield and windshield wipers. The flight-data recorder indicates the plane went out of control almost immediately after the pilots disconnected the autopilot and started extending the wing flaps. In a classic icing accident, such actions suddenly put a plane into a stall.
Which correlates with what I think it was weedewhacker said about the auto pilot would make gradual adjustments as the ice builds up, as soon as the auto pilot is switched off, as the safety board says, the plane went into a stall due to the characteristics of the plane has changed.
[edit on 15-2-2009 by Chadwickus]
Cockpit instruments apparently indicated that onboard anti-icing systems were operating normally on a Continental Connection turboprop shortly before it stalled and crashed near Buffalo, N.Y. Thursday night from what now appears to be deadly accumulation of ice on some critical flight surfaces, according to federal investigators.
The latest information released by the National Transportation Safety Board raises questions about the operation and design of the mechanical de-icing systems, or so-called rubber boots, that inflate to shed ice off the leading edges of the wings and some tail surfaces on the widely-used Bombardier Q400 aircraft. Steve Chealander, the safety board member serving as spokesman for the roughly 150 investigators, law enforcement officials and others sifting through the wreckage, told reporters earlier Saturday that the plane had "very sophisticated de-icing systems" that the pilots turned on.