Knights Templar, Friday the 13th, and King Phillip Staging A Coup

Cool thread, nicely packaged with a reference to everything in a nutshell.

It gives the best start to any discussion , & nice coincidence with the date.


What ever was said of the knights, for me didn’t change that they took care of and safely escorted other human beings making their holy pilgrimage.
Even a few expressions of a person can sum up their parameters of who they are.


I see religions as codecs and the person is the reference in 3rd density of it as the style. When ever I put my life on the line for any person and they happen to be of any religion, Id be protecting that person representing of any religion.
Id be putting my life on the line for every faith.

Like different sorts of martial arts but the importance of not allowing a punch to manifest as being equal and the same importance in each representation of the style.

Its like a universal agreement with the mind where everything else blatently sticks out like a sore thumb.

Whats funny for me is if I explained to anyone from them times that I was discussing some things with kind aquintences from around the world with a physically manifested device to connect virtually……. I reckon id be burnt alongside with them on the 13th .


Take care and have a nice day!

reply to post by ats__fan039


My brother should have written "there's no connection between the Masonic Knights Templar and the historical Knights Templar."

If you look at your images, you'll see that the Scottish Rite 27th degree is also a Knights Templar degree... Knight Commander of the Temple. But still, just because they're calling themselves Templars, and using King Solomon's Temple as part of the allegorical play attached to that degree, does not mean that there's a direct lineage between the historical and modern body.

Scholars, Masonic and non-Masonic alike, have tried to prove such a connection and have been unable.

It is suggested that when the York and Scottish Rite degrees were developed in the early to mid 1800s there was a popular resurgence in the ideals of chivalry, a romanticism about dressing up, wearing swords and calling each other "knight". That does not mean that any of the esoteric practices of the original KT are still around today in any meaningful form. At least, I've never seen any record of historical KT ritual that dates back to before their dissolution in 1307.

yeah I once found myself on a website of a group claiming to be the true descendants of the orignal Templar group. I forget what they were called.

The whole thing seems so complicated to me though; Well I guess Ill say that I agree with you, but at the same time I believe that Masonry goes all the way back to Babylon; so I feel that Masonry as a Religion has always controlled its groups for its means. Also I feel that all these Masonic groups are really loyal to the Cathloic Chruch and the Pope; But thats hard to prove; I know that the Church did persucate Masons, but there is stll connections that can be made in regards to all the secret societies in existence since Babylon and Bibal times.

I agree with your post pretty much, though. Thanks.

reply to post by waterboatman


There was no coincidence to my posting, I chose it on purpose because of the date.

Friday the 13th is one of those unique dates where people are superstitious, and it's a silly reason, as I have never believed in susperstitions.

I believe only in intelligence and instinct, those two things can and will save your life. Anything else is not worth knowing, other than to raise those two things.

reply to post by ats__fan039

That is a part of the York Rite of Freemasonry. Those are Masonic Templars. The York Rite is Christian based.

What I'm saying though is there is no connection between Templars of the Crusades and the Freemasons of today.

reply to post by ats__fan039

That was a bad link. I bet you that this is a York Rite book though.

Originally posted by waterboatman
It gives the best start to any discussion , & nice coincidence with the date.

Scholars say this is where the Friday the 13th comes from.

reply to post by ats__fan039

Yeah there are some out there that claim to be descendants and have even tried to sue the Vatican.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by KSigMason]

For the French Revolution see "The Rothschilds" and Illuminism. There were Masons who fought and died on both sides of the Revolution in France, the American Revolution as well as almost every war since. Hardly a conspiracy. There is alot of circumstantial evidence that Templarism survived and was incorporated into Scottish masonry. There is however no direct proof, but some convincing evidence nontheless.

The conspiracy lies with the International Bankers who play both sides in conflicts, loaning them money and then retrieving that loan with astronomical interest basically taking over the countries financial system in the process.

Ready for some Truth?

Masonry, is older than both Illuminism and the Rothschilds banking cartel. Masonry has money because of donations by wealthy members, not tax payer money. Masonry has historically been pursecuted by church and state for espousing such ideals as liberty and equality and freedom of religion. 500,000 Masons died in the concentration camps in WW2. And recently the Grand Master of venesuela was assasinated some believe by Hugo Chavez. Americas Constitution is heavily imbedded with masonic principals. Therefore, thank a Mason that you live in a Country with a bill of rights. It wont last much longer with the way things are going.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by solomanskey]

Hello Wise Ones,
The Knights Templar are alive and well in Australia, I am a Page of The Order Of The World Templar Lords here in Sydney NSW Australia.
The Knights Templar do not have anything to do with the Mason just wanted to clear up this.
The Pope has sence said SORRY to all the Knights Templar's for the wrong the church had done to the poor Kights of the temple of solomon. Yes it was a big frame up to get hold of the Templar Loot but this was for seen and the Templar armada had already sailed off to all different country's the main one being Scotland.
There are many chapters of the Templar Knights all over the world, now the Pope wants us all to come together and come back to the church, some how I don't think this will ever happen as we know the truth....

reply to post by ats__fan039


First off yes Jesus was a real man as can be verified through Roman records of the times. As for his divinity, that is another question. Why does he repeatedly refer to himself as the son of man and tell the deciples NOT to worsip him but to worsip He who sent him? As far as the templars And thier "Treasure" keep in mind that information that could call to question the Popes authority in that time would have been worth more than any amount of financial gain that could ba achieved. Something to think about... The catholic church teaches that Christ took part in ALL of the holy sacraments of which Marriage is one and the Bible never discusses Jesus being single which at that time would have been something of note.

Tomorrow's fri13th too....

Here's some of what i believe:

1. The kT were not escorts, they were (successfully) tasked with finding Solomon's treasure (gold); gold that is still in hiding

2. The kT were the forerunners ersatz founders of freemasonry. the logic contributing to counter-arguements is blatently tenuous
-kT became pirates/privateers; including those who founded the u.s.m.c.

3. The kT are not to be confused with the rcc's smom

4. freemasonry has been compromised and debased
-claims of charitable hospitals &c are malarkey of madoff proportions; cutouts to run money and nefarious activity a la rockafeller trusts/hospitals, carnegie endowment, et al -front organizations with a petina of decency cloaking hellish indecent behavior

5. many common masons have no idea of this and don't deserve pikes and pitchforks but likely will receive them when the time comes. all the perfect floorwork and ritual won't protect them from the ire of the common man; they're patsies.

....others i'll edit-in/add when time allows & upon discerning any responses...

Originally posted by emsed1
Jacques De Molay was crucified, beaten and had his abdomen slashed open by torturers under the control of Philip and Clement V. Ironic that the Church would use methods used on Jesus to torment and degrade de Molay.

He was not allowed to die, however. After many hours of dangling by his nailed hands and feet, suffering from hypoxia due to the weight of his unsupported head dangling forward and cutting off his airway, he was cut down and wrapped in linen as a mockery of his Christian beliefs.

It has been my understanding that the Shroud of Turin is actually from Jacques De Molay and not from Christ. What do you know of this? If it's too off topic, please send U2U. Thanks

reply to post by whitewave


This is a response to both you and emsed1.

I thought that Jacques De Molay was burnt at the stake(October 13th, 1307)? It wasn't a big fire either but a small one that cooked his insides instead engulfing him in a huge fire that would burn and kill him more quickly. And then they got rid of his ashes so that he could not be martyred or revered, and built a huge statue of King Phillip the Fair (He wasn't Fair in a moral sense, it was a description of his type of skin, due to that he was kind of pale looking), on the spot of the burning of Jacques De Molay

I know they tortured him to try to get him to confess his "sins" against the Catholic Church and they wanted him to succumb to the inquisition as well. They tortured him on the rack and what not, but i believe that he wasn't crucified as much as being burnt to death, and having his ashes disregarded.

Also while being burnt on the stake he cursed Pope Clement and King Philip. Saying that they would both die within the year and so forth. WHICH actually came true and i believe that they were both dead by the the end of the year.

I thought Friday the 13th was the day that Jacques DeMolay was burned at the stake, and while burning cursed the Pope and the French King that they would die within a year, and they did.

Originally posted by Choronzon
I thought Friday the 13th was the day that Jacques DeMolay was burned at the stake, and while burning cursed the Pope and the French King that they would die within a year, and they did.

That was a part of the larger story this thread was created for.

It helps to do research in all areas.

reply to post by bushidomason


He was murdered for meeting the definition of a "lapsed heretic".

Relics were recovered

Originally posted by jamescar
Tomorrow's fri13th too....

Here's some of what i believe:

1. The kT were not escorts, they were (successfully) tasked with finding Solomon's treasure (gold); gold that is still in hiding

2. The kT were the forerunners ersatz founders of freemasonry. the logic contributing to counter-arguements is blatently tenuous
-kT became pirates/privateers; including those who founded the u.s.m.c.

3. The kT are not to be confused with the rcc's smom

4. freemasonry has been compromised and debased
-claims of charitable hospitals &c are malarkey of madoff proportions; cutouts to run money and nefarious activity a la rockafeller trusts/hospitals, carnegie endowment, et al -front organizations with a petina of decency cloaking hellish indecent behavior

5. many common masons have no idea of this and don't deserve pikes and pitchforks but likely will receive them when the time comes. all the perfect floorwork and ritual won't protect them from the ire of the common man; they're patsies.

....others i'll edit-in/add when time allows & upon discerning any responses...

And there is a SERIOUS debate going on within Masonry to cut ties with the Shrine and the Order of Jesters altogether. It is these organizations which have the hospitals and what not. The Shrine only became an part of the fraternity in the 1880's. And as a Mason I fully agree it's time for the Shrine to go. They make us all look bad, have unmasonic principals, and make mirth and gluttony their religion.

reply to post by solomanskey


kTemplars not in the Holy Lands ran entire villages or townships, of the day. They built community hearths, then same for private homes. The lines of credit fed from this critical role in hundreds of districts. This is real rock and mortar pre-Chartres, separate from fantastic metaphysical musings about Holy relics and treasures & Cathars. But the riches still compete for our attention even against the vast numbers slewn around these days, don't they? King of the Hill then is the same as King of the Hill now.

Every U.S.A State Grand Lodge should seize portions of individual Lodges funds to feed and clothe our poorest neighbors. Appendant Bodies same. The status quo of relentless & trivial expenses factored across hundreds or thousands of Lodges/Bodies is flat dumbfounding! Okay, another conference or Reception w/catering and entertainment; another stale subsidization, w/that melancholy patina; rent for languishing Lodges in need of consolidation -going broke. There's not enough Blue Lodge, SRValley or York Rite membership to sustain Appendent bodies so will their required changes get planned or forced through attrition?

I don't mean to distract this thread, and apologize if that seems the case. The OP implies a searchable mystery, or somesuch, and again i must apologize for not reading all spartan's sourced material (but will get to it).

Sitting on the sidelines is lame. "Normal" masons have as hard a time as any other "normal" schmoe in applying fallacies of revisionist history against common sense. Chalk another one up to cognitive dissonance &c&c.

Am dead serious about Grand Lodges getting off their hands and doing something right to get masons off the # list of society. Not every mason wants to hurt innocent people, that much i swear that to be true. +

We'll either hang together or we'll hang separately.
Benjamin Franklin
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer & mason (1706 - 1790)

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


In light of the date and the historical precedent I thought I would include a few threads.

Political Currency : Secret Societies, Those They Blackmail, and the Corrupt Currency...

...and..

Beware Friday the 13th

Friday the 13th is lucky as far as I see.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Did you know that Friday the 13th is only unlucky because that is when the King Phillip of France decided that the Knights Templarhad too much power and had them all arrested and killed in one form or another?

Technically it's "bad luck" because of the curse placed on the Pope and Kings head by the Templar leader that they would both die within a year of that Friday the 13th ..... which they did.

Anyways.. I don't have much respect for this video.. typical satanist this, lucifer that. The Kaballah is not "evil" in any way.. and the original Knights Templar were not mystical, this did not occur until after they truly gained power.

Also, Cabal (French) from Latin Cabbala which means "Tradition" or "Receive or Accept" .. possibly from Arabic or Hebrew Qabala which means "He accepted" It was not given the meaning of "following or group of conspirators" until after the Reign of King Charles II of England when a group of Ministers (Clifford, Arlington, Buckingham, Ashley, and Lauderdale) became an ACRONYM for the Conspiracy ..... Cabal. www.etymonline.com...

The video is full of ignorance .. for instance, the inception of popular Kabbal teachings in the South of France was not perpetrated by the Knights, but by Cathars, or Catharism .. these were a Christian group that believed in Gnostic teachings and Dualism.. this fermented in Languedoc France, the region along the Southern Coast of the Mediterranean.

Eventually the Pope launched a Crusade on France, and the Cathars where rounded up and massacred by Arnaud-Amaury, and later the Inquisition slaughtered the rest. The Pope did command the Knight Templar to attack the South of France, specifically Toulouse however the Order refused the Papal orders. This all in 1229. This was the largest Gnostic/Kabblah sect in Europe until the Modern Era.