Psychiatry's Dangerous Agenda for America

The current situation in psychiatry is like that prevailing in other branches of medicine as little as fifty years ago. The OP is right: psychiatry is theoretically compromised, methodologically flawed, in short, scientifically unsound; but the OP is also wrong, because psychiatry is a body of empirical knowledge of proven efficacy.

That was a beautiful post. Just don't let the OP's head get too big though, it is still very dangerous advice for people with chemical imbalances to heed. Again, great post.
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gonna go out on a limb and say the op's a scientologist troll, yea mean i know but its what it sounds like. as for psychiatry, ive been on psychotropic meds and they messed me up and ive learned to deal with my bi-polar and anxiety disorders with out the med, but being that i work in the mental health field (adult foster care staff ) ive seen a ton of different mental illnesses, and i can say its not the psycho therepy that fails its lazy doctors, hell ive seen people who would kill you for talking to a female. become friendly and clear headed after ect treatments, (thats electro-shock therepy and yes its still around) im not saying the system doesnt have its faults but it would be alot worse without the treatments that psychiatry provides.

CCHR is a Scientology front group.

Just saying.

yeah that makes alot of sense then.

FREE XENU!

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The problem here is that there is no solution that is one hundred percent perfect for one hundred percent of the people.

There are a lot of people that have been misdiagnosed. Unfortunately we live in a society were money has more value than life, limb or even happiness.

Look around you. You have more people that would rather be rich and miserable than poor and happy.

There are some that benefit greatly from the use of chemical medical agents and there are some for which this is not the best course of action. You can not make that call. That call is up to the individual and their physician.

Most medications, I don't care if it is aspirin, have to be regulated and monitored. Even some of your natural substance can cause changes in our bodies that may require closer observation and regulation.

You can not throw the baby out with the bath water. There are some people that would do better to find an alternative to the use of these meds. I found for myself that the use of them for "me" was a mistake. There are just as many people if not more for whom these medicines are a live saver.

They like me get to choose.

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I wasn't aware the $cientology people are on ATS.

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I wasn't aware the $cientology people are on ATS.

Scents is fraudulent and based on theory. Even Einstein said "The more I study science, the more I believe in a Supreme Creator".

Even though I think Einstein was a fraud too.

I believe in the Perfect Savior.

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Scents is fraudulent and based on theory.

While it is true that perfume distillers make enormous profits, I wouldn't call them... oh, you mean science. What a refreshingly unconventional approach to spelling. Well, I'm sure you're right - science does involve lots and lots of theory, while parfumerie is, I imagine, a more empirical sort of craft.

By the way, I suppose you do realize we're discussing the value of psychiatry here, not the existence of God or the theory of evolution? Just checking.

Even Einstein said "The more I study science, the more I believe in a Supreme Creator".

No, he didn't. He said "...the more I believe in God". The difference is very, very important. Einstein didn't believe in the anthropomorphic, vengeful sky-deity primitive Western tribes bow down to every Sunday; he meant something more along the lines of Spinoza's God.

Spinoza asserted that for a concept of god to make any sense at all, it must simply be nature. That is, god cannot be something outside nature that controls it, but must necessarily be part of it. According to Spinoza, God IS nature. While Spinoza was excommunicated from his Jewish community in Amsterdam and condemned by Christians as well for being an atheist, he was very devoutly religious. He saw the traditional anthropomorphic (man-like) god as an abomination, completely rejecting the wonder of nature, from which life comes. To Spinoza, nature is the true expression of God. And each of us is part of it.

'I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.'

'It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.'

Albert Einstein

Even though I think Einstein was a fraud too.

You mean he cheated you in some way? Dear me.

Shocking, the way some of these dead professors behave.

I believe in the Perfect Savior.

Gosh, that must be nice for you. Now, why don't you run off and eat a piece of Jesus or something, there's a good chap...

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I did a quick whois and got an address 6616 Sunset Blvd. This is the home of CCHR. When I googled this address this is what I came up with in related links.

psychfraud.freedommag.org...

At the bottom of this page it cites CCHR and then at the footer is the following:

© 1999-2004 Church of Scientology International. All Rights Reserved. For Trademark Information on Scientology Services.

Then I found this little diddy:

www.psych-crimes.com...

Which states the following:

You Chances of being raped are better on your psychiatrists couch in broad daylight than in Central Park at night

So we can be sure this is nothing more than a Scientology front and the person posting is a Scientologist trying to stir up some controversy. You'll notice he hasn't posted anything since making this thread.




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About time someone posted something on this. Now I do believe some people have real mental disorders, but they are SO quick to put you on the happy meds these days. I seen a councelor back when I was 13 and not a day later they wanted me on meds.

Life is hard. Its not always fun. And that is that. Everyone doesnt need medication to supress it.

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agreed, but some people do, take a schizophrenic of his meds for two weeks then try to hold a conversation with him, not happening. not everyone needs meds for there issues, but to dump psychiatry due to some miss diagnoses is in itself insane.

Psychiatry is the catch-all for misunderstood medical illnesses and anyone who, from a behavioral standpoint, strays too far from the statistical "norm". Psychology is useful in that it makes an attempt to understand the complexities of behavior. Neurology takes a scientific approach which is based on chemistry, biophysics, and other hard sciences. Quite frankly, I just don't see a place for psychiatry in medicine at all.

Psychiatrists are far too quick to pigeonhole people and prescribe the latest fad drugs. Too often, patients are worse off after seeing them than they were when they went in. Only psychiatry is able to get away with employing methods that "seem to work" without anyone knowing HOW something "works". Most of the time, they can't even reach a consensus diagnosis on the same patient, let alone an entire population of them! The DSM is a complete and utter joke!

I don't necessarily think it's all about money but I do think it's irresponsible to diagnose patients subjectively without the aid of impartial physical and chemical tests. Case and point, I once knew someone who had been misdiagnosed as bipolar when she really had porphyria. She endured years of side-effects from the meds she was on, and a dozen rounds of electroconvulsive therapy! It was not only completely unnecessary but lead to tardive dyskinesia as well! Let neurologists (who always do their tests first) and psychologists (who can't cause any physical damage) treat the mentally ill; not psychiatrists (who can cause serious damage because they NEVER test first)!

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We really shouldn't be accusing the entire psychiatry field of criminality. There are responsible, ethical psychiatrists in the field who do good, positive work. No one should take the entire field into question like this without getting the facts first. A Scientology hack website is not the place to go.

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i sympathize for you and her, thats horrible but ive also seen ect treatments work wonders for late stage chronic schizophrenia, unfortunatly like all medical professions psychs are and can be falliable (sp?) its strange that as humans we all admit that everyone makes mistakes and in the workforce we are allowed to make mistakes, but when the medical feild makes some we are astounded and come down on them with vengence and fury. its unrealistic to expect a 100% sucsess rate from anyone. and theres always the fact that in anyproffession there is a best and worst as in a person who just barley made it through the test, so next time your at the doctors remember that this person could be the one who graduated 50th instead of 5th in his class. (scary huh?)

Psychiatrists almost KILLED me and they were blaming it on me!
I went in voluntarily to a mental institution, when I became pregnant. I was already on anti-depressants and would have to get off them for the pregnancy.
I almost immediately had a miscarriage, because of falling off a swing just prior to my hospitalization and before I knew it, I was diagnosed with bi-polar, with psychotic features and other mild depression, etc...
Eventually the doctor put me on Haldol and I began to forget things and then, I was completely incoherent!
The staff told my parents it MUST be something I ingested on a weekend trip home, but it was the Haldol, high doses of Lithium and many other meds.
They REFUSED to change my medicine, because only I (Voluntarily) had myself admitted. My Dad threatened them with a shotgun if they didn't change my doctor.
They did and I woke up in the institution with strange clothes on, a total loss of memory for 8 days and hallucinations!
The institution was going to let me die and say it was my fault for taking drugs!

I actually went to a Christian psychologist after that and she NEVER mentioned God!

Originally posted by X-tal_Phusion not psychiatrists (who can cause serious damage because they NEVER test first)!

I'm sorry to hear about your friend's experience.

But I do object to this smear on the entire profession of psychiatry.

I know that my psychiatrist insisted I get a full blood workup to rule out possibilities like hypothyroidism when starting me on antidepressants – despite the fact that I presented as a clear, classical case of major depressive disorder complete with family history of same.

There are no physiologic or chemical tests for many psychiatric disorders. Diagnosis relies on clinical experience – the doctor's ability to recognize symptoms and read them correctly.

And while psychotherapy is wonderful and an absolute necessity for most psychiatric patients (IMO), a psychologist simply can't prescribe medicine that can make the difference between despair and health.

Ya know, I'm not sure which is more interesting.

The sheer number of people who believe psychiatry is a criminal profession.

Or the sheer number of ATSers who have been placed on psychiatric medicine.


ETC seriously screwd up my dad's mom, but that was also during those primitive 1960-70's when no one knew what they were doing. From what I have read it is much more safe and effective now.

As for psychiatric meds, well, if you are taken/go to a psychiatrist, it is generally assumed you NEED medication. If you don't need medicine go to a counselor or psychologist. I think a lot of people are getting meds cause they are going to the wrong specialist.

Originally posted by SonOfChaosIf you don't need medicine go to a counselor or psychologist. I think a lot of people are getting meds cause they are going to the wrong specialist.

Or even worse, they're telling their general practitioner they've been feeling down, and their g.p. has decided to take matters into his/her own hands instead of referring them to someone with psych experience

When people say psychiatry is a sham, they probably mean it is corrupt, which it is. They go beyond just trying to help those in need of medicine, like some in this thread have attested to, and try to find ways to push it on those that don't need it and/or don't have the severity to be treated (commercials anyone?). I've taken an abnormal psych class and I've seen videos of the different disorders, and they are incredibly severe. As in meeting the person and after talking to them for 10 seconds knowing something was wayy off. The thing is, now people showing even the slightest possible disturbance are being put on these sorts of drugs, often under the idea of "prevention". Kids are at the most risk for this I'd say. The number of kids on drugs is ridiculous and it really can't be justified.

One of the latest things I read was how drug companies withheld info that SSRI's actually increase the chance for suicide within the first couple of months. I think it was withheld for about 5 years, and during that time people were dieing needlessly for the sake of the company and the all powerful shareholder profit. All companies will sacrifice anything if it will make them money, companies that deal with people are certainly no different. There is plenty to hate if you have even the most basic of standards.

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