U.S. vs. China

man can i just take a mineute to exsplain a tiny we error ur link has made ahem ......how the **** CAN AMERICA BE THE NUMBER 1 ECONOMIC POWER THE JAPANESE SELL MORE THINGS THAN THEY DO SO DO THE CHINESE! AND WHAT THE **** ARE U ON ABOUT BRITAIN BEING A 4TH last time i seen our naitonal money we we're soooo bad cause some idiot in paralament spent it all on trains!and theystill dont work!
and how can france be a bigger power than china france sells nothing does nothing i mean u could use em as a landmark cause they dont do anythin !
whoever wrote this thing is wrong like i mean come on how can mexico have more money than spain!
as 1 brit to another let me say this this is a pile of (V) uv been ad mate
yours very sincerly and most respectufuly devilwasp

[Edited on 05/03/2004 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by longbow

More than 90% chinese have been farmers in the past - that didn't help them much. You should read something about the starvation in the past. Most of the African people are also farmers. The percentange of workers in agriculture has nothing to do with the food production ( especially if you are in war ). In USA only 2% people are farmers.
Also you should look at the chinese land map. Yes it's a big country. But how many areas are suitable for food production? There is a reason why there is only one child allowed.

Africa isnt very farming friendly. especially the bits I believe you are thinking of.
The reason for the one child rule is not because there is a lack of food. It's because of the rapid population growth, the country currently isnt spending the money it needs to, to support this growth.

There is a difference between subsitence and commerical farming. Most farmers in the US are commerical, most in China are subsitence. Though, bear in mind, they could easily become commerical if the Chinese government needed to, by buying pesticides, fertilizers, the necessary equipment, etc.
It's just that the Chinese government doesnt need to at the moment and the farmers dont make enough money to afford the upper-echelons of this equipment.

Originally posted by devilwasp
man can i just take a mineute to exsplain a tiny we error ur link has made ahem ......how the **** CAN AMERICA BE THE NUMBER 1 ECONOMIC POWER THE JAPANESE SELL MORE THINGS THAN THEY DO SO DO THE CHINESE! AND WHAT THE **** ARE U ON ABOUT BRITAIN BEING A 4TH last time i seen our naitonal money we we're soooo bad cause some idiot in paralament spent it all on trains!and theystill dont work!
and how can france be a bigger power than china france sells nothing does nothing i mean u could use em as a landmark cause they dont do anythin !
whoever wrote this thing is wrong like i mean come on how can mexico have more money than spain!
as 1 brit to another let me say this this is a pile of (V)

All sources quoted.
I'm british as well, as you know.
The trains dont work, they are privatized, and they do work. When was the last time you took a cross-country train? I took one three days ago. That was impressively fast compared to what it was 3 years ago, which still at the time wasnt bad.

Note, I didnt post the Largest Economies link that you are unhappy about.

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...who has the Chinese dominated over the last 400 years?
Great Britian? Japan? North Vietnam? India? The huns? hmm?

Answer: NOBODY

Korea, Vietnam, Uigur, Tibet, today's Kazachstan, Turkmenistan ... China has also some imperial history comparable to the Roman Imperium for example.

And 20. century - wars with Vietnam, India, Russia, North Korea ...

Originally posted by longbow

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...who has the Chinese dominated over the last 400 years?
Great Britian? Japan? North Vietnam? India? The huns? hmm?

Answer: NOBODY

Korea, Vietnam, Uigur, Tibet, today's Kazachstan, Turkmenistan ... China has also some imperial history comparable to the Roman Imperium for example.

And 20. century - wars with Vietnam, India, Russia, North Korea ...

Wait wait, wars WITH Vietnam India Russia etc?
China sent people to help fight in Vietnam, there are many documented cases of Chinese officers being killed, or speaking Mandarin over the radio.
North Korea China sent 1 million soldiers to repel the UN invading forces.


China has been, traditionally, part of those places. China was originally divided into many terrortories, which were united around the time of the building of the Great Wall of China.
Hence Vietnam used to be called Indo-China

Originally posted by longbowMore than 90% chinese have been farmers in the past - that didn't help them much. You should read something about the starvation in the past. Most of the African people are also farmers. The percentange of workers in agriculture has nothing to do with the food production ( especially if you are in war ). In USA only 2% people are farmers.
Also you should look at the chinese land map. Yes it's a big country. But how many areas are suitable for food production? There is a reason why there is only one child allowed.

According to The Economist's World in Figures 2003 directory, China ranks as the world's largest producer of cereals, meat, fruits, vegetables, rice, zinc, tin, and cotton. It is the world's second-largest producer of wheat, coarse grains, tea, lead, raw wool, major oil seeds, and coal, it is the third-largest producer of aluminum and energy (measured in million tons of coal equivalent), and it ranks between fourth and sixth in the production of sugar, copper, precious metals, and rubber.


www.atimes.com...

As I stated earlier in the thread, China exports more agricultural products than they import.

Thank you for helping me with my point!
I think my other one still stands, China puts more people into the High-tech industry because it makes more money than exporting food.
China makes 25 billion US from the trading with the US alone... If you dont believe me, see the source quoted on page 6 of the thread.

ha i took a train from edinburgh to london and we got delayed every 30 mins
man where does our money go i mean if not transport then where?

China Vietnam war in 1979:

Although communist China had backed North Vietnam in its struggle against South Vietnam and the United States, the Chinese and Vietnamese were traditional enemies; tensions between the two increased when Vietnam strengthened its ties with the Soviet Union, invaded Laos and Cambodia (Kampuchea) in late 1978, and expelled Chinese living in Vietnam. On February 17, 1979, some 120,000 well-equipped Chinese troops crossed the border into northern Vietnam in several places and seized control of several towns; they penetrated 25 miles into Vietnamese territory, encountering stiff resistance. Divisions from Vietnamese occupying forces in Cambodia arrived to reinforce the resistance, which was unable, however, to prevent the Chinese capture of Lang Son, a vital center in Vietnam's northern provinces, on March 3, 1979. About the same time, a separate Chinese force reached the coastal town of Quang Yen, some 100 miles from Hanoi, after several days of fierce fighting against Vietnamese units. Meanwhile, Vietnamese counteroffensives across the border into China's Yunnan province were repulsed. Declaring its punitive military operation against Vietnam a success, China began withdrawing its forces about March 6, 1979, and within two weeks they were all back on Chinese territory. Subsequently, there were many exchanges of fire along the Chinese-Vietnamese border and numerous talks to reach an accord, but no treaty or settlement was concluded.

China VS Russia?
Ever heard about so called "border clashes" in 1969?

Originally posted by devilwasp
ha i took a train from edinburgh to london and we got delayed every 30 mins
man where does our money go i mean if not transport then where?

Education, Health (Dont slate the NHS, alot of countries dont have free health systems), Defence, public investments (e.g. millenium dome (moan))....

Originally posted by longbow
China Vietnam war in 1979:

Although communist China had backed North Vietnam in its struggle against South Vietnam and the United States, the Chinese and Vietnamese were traditional enemies; tensions between the two increased when Vietnam strengthened its ties with the Soviet Union, invaded Laos and Cambodia (Kampuchea) in late 1978, and expelled Chinese living in Vietnam. On February 17, 1979, some 120,000 well-equipped Chinese troops crossed the border into northern Vietnam in several places and seized control of several towns; they penetrated 25 miles into Vietnamese territory, encountering stiff resistance. Divisions from Vietnamese occupying forces in Cambodia arrived to reinforce the resistance, which was unable, however, to prevent the Chinese capture of Lang Son, a vital center in Vietnam's northern provinces, on March 3, 1979. About the same time, a separate Chinese force reached the coastal town of Quang Yen, some 100 miles from Hanoi, after several days of fierce fighting against Vietnamese units. Meanwhile, Vietnamese counteroffensives across the border into China's Yunnan province were repulsed. Declaring its punitive military operation against Vietnam a success, China began withdrawing its forces about March 6, 1979, and within two weeks they were all back on Chinese territory. Subsequently, there were many exchanges of fire along the Chinese-Vietnamese border and numerous talks to reach an accord, but no treaty or settlement was concluded.

China VS Russia?
Ever heard about so called "border clashes" in 1969?

This is news to me...
Though, if they were that serious, I dont think Russia would still be selling military equipment etc to China.

well they still were very good pals well pal'ish back in the old USSR days so old friendships die slowly
any way russia dosnt care who it sells it to as long as thier safe they dont care
(not slaggin russia i love russia and its people)
u gota point about the nhs
and the millienium dome man OMG i went past that on the river and the carpark had 4 cars in it ! 4 cars! and it was still open
should sell it and spend money where its needed

During the crisis years Russians didn't sell anything to Chinese. Why do you think Nixon tried to improve China-US relationship in the 70-ties? Why do you think the Chinese have been awarded with a membership in the UN security council ( they replaced Tchaiwan)Ping-pong diplomacy ever heard anything about it? Mao hated Soviets much more than Americans.

P.S. There are some unconfirmed reports that about 500.000 people died during the "border clashes" between USSR and China. The whole conflict is still a little mystery ( both countries didn't like publicity you know)

The government does waste a monumental amount of money.. But people slate it for things like the NHS, etc, which is not justified, considering it actually exist in the first place... More slating over the Millennium Dome and other similar wastes would be more appropiate.

Originally posted by longbow
During the crisis years Russians didn't sell anything to Chinese. Why do you think Nixon tried to improve China-US relationship in the 70-ties? Why do you think the Chinese have been awarded with a membership in the UN security council ( they replaced Tchaiwan)Ping-pong diplomacy ever heard anything about it? Mao hated Soviets much more than Americans.

P.S. There are some unconfirmed reports that about 500.000 people died during the "border clashes" between USSR and China. The whole conflict is still a little mystery ( both countries didn't like publicity you know)

China had, unless I am gravely mistaken, a UN Security Council seat since the start of the UN. Certainly this is in the history books in schools today. This is also why the UN were allowed to invade Korea, because at the time of the occurance, China mainland (aka Peoples Republic) was not recognized officially as holding a seat on the council after the dispute with the China (Taiwan now). Still, it held the seat but refused to veto action because of American financial influences on the UN. China has always held a seat on the Security council.

edit: I dont think China PR were 'not on' the council for that long a time, possibly only during the Korean conflict.. Lemme go look up some stuff

[Edited on 20-4-2004 by browha]


EDIT: My bad, I'm wrong, sorry.[

[Edited on 20-4-2004 by browha]

I don't know it for sure but i think that Tchaiwan has represented China in the UN security council until 70ties. But I know for sure that mainland china became membership because the US saw the China comunists as a weapon against USSR.

P.S. I live in middle Europe ( former part of Soviet block)and until the comunism collapsed we learned nice things about Chinese in school - they have been pictured as colaborants, fascist, revisionists, militarist, traitors to the comunistic idea... In the socialistics schoolbooks approved by our goverment loyal to the USSR. And it was in the 80's. I dont think it is a adequate way how to speak about your ally.

[Edited on 20-4-2004 by longbow]

[Edited on 20-4-2004 by longbow]

Yeah I was true ,mainland China replaced Tchaiwan in 1971 in the UN security council. Until 1971 it was only Tchaiwan witch represented Chinese people.

why cant they just let every country into the UN ?

They do, dont they?
The Security Council is different, it's the victors of World War 2 plus a few temporary members. This is important because of the power of veto. If every country was on the Security Council, the UN would never do anything, it'd be vetoed to hell.

Originally posted by longbow
I don't know it for sure but i think that Tchaiwan has represented China in the UN security council until 70ties. But I know for sure that mainland china became membership because the US saw the China comunists as a weapon against USSR.

The same way they saw Germany as a weapon against the USSR?