What is with all the "Christianity-Debunking" attempt threads?

reply to post by sotp


Very briefly since I've explained that passage before many times on here. The early Christians (mostly Jewish converts) were not used to living under secular governments. Their religious law was also their government law. There was no 'separation of church and state,' in other words. Because Christians are not subject to the Jewish laws, that passage is giving us practical advice to live under the secular laws of the governments we are under.

Please note that passage does not command us to do anything against the Bible such as worship the gods of the secular government, etc. It simply gives Christians practical advice to obey the law, pay your taxes, etc. It was to help them adjust to differing governments since they would 'go out into the world' and be apart of other nations and governments.

reply to post by semperfortis


You still did not answer my question do you or do you not follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS? Not doing so would be a clear violation of your religion regardless of the single passage you pasted, that claims murder is "OK". However how the hell you could conceive murder or killing as being ok while being a religious person is beyond me. HYPOCRICY!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe I'll get the answer this time.

Also how is this "playing" around when you clearly can't answer a simple question and continue to pussy foot around because you know that you are in clear violation of your own religion.

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reply to post by Stormdancer777

If I had to defend myself or a loved one it is possible I would break number 6.

Not at all...

Most scholars agree that the most accurate definition is closer to "Murder" as Jesus cleared up for us when he came and taught the Pharisees.

There are many allowances in the bible for Soldiers, Warriors and those that enforce the law of the land.

Read Romans when you get a chance; it will ease your mind

Semper

reply to post by TNT13


i can answer it. it's simple. they're human. there isn't an organization of people on the planet or even a single individual, that isn't hypocritical to one degree or another.

let me give you an example:

it's unbiblical to eat till you become overweight.
but alot people do it (some due to the expense of buying healthy foods, end up fat because all they can afford is the stuff that's full of fat, salt and sugar).

yet they will fuss and fume about someone who is abusing their body by some other method (sexually, with various drugs, cutting, etc).

one is more socially acceptable than the other. one may or may not be self-inflicted (could be genetic, could be economically-driven, etc), while the other APPEARS to be self-inflicted because it isn't socially accepted as genetic or environmentally driven.

so you're fighting not only "religious traditions" but "societal norms." sometimes these two things meld into one another, either by design or because of the "good of the people." you're not just addressing a single religious group, but the entire planet.

In 2 Peter 3:3-4 it says this.....

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

Unfortunately it is only going to get worse folks.

The Scriptures tell us that Christians will be persecuted in the end times.

In Matthew 24:9, Jesus is speaking specifically about the end times and He tells us how the world will treat Christians at that time.....

"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me."

So if you are a Christian get ready for even more persecution.

The reality is that by the end ALL nations are going to hate us.

Decide right now that you will be strong for Him.

The times ahead are going to be bumpy.

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While I can understand your point, I don't find it anymore offensive than some of the unfounded claims that people post about Freemasonry... Honestly.

Also, if you look, Islam is also generously attacked. I think that in order to understand the onslaught against Christianity or organized religion in general, you have to look at what is currently taking place in the world.

I actually posted a thread here while back trying to explain why Islam and "Christianity" are being attacked by the masses. Here is a link to the thread:Islamic and Christian attempt

Now, you may take issue with some of what I say in the thread;however, an unbiased analysis of what I am saying will show that I am not that far off cue. While I am certainly not anti-Christian in principle,I do believe that "Christianity" has been severely manipulated to the point that it no longer represents its true principles.



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reply to post by TNT13


Your inability to understand or possibly comprehend makes logical and intellectual discourse impossible my fellow member.

As I have answered your questions directly and succinctly, and yet as they do not fit within the obviously narrow parameters of thought you are allowing yourself, this can not be a fault of mine.

You have every right to believe whatever it is you choose to; I would only suggest a calmer approach as you are apparently fairly volatile and this can not be conducive to good health.

Semper

reply to post by Ichabod


its only vital as christians tend to want everyone else to bow down to thier idea of the way they feel everything should be. if u actually look into it there is a nasty agenda and past of this socalled religion of love, i say socalled as most christians only tend to harp about thier religion when it suits a particular purpose. normally to hate and opress another group..but they dont seem to realise that they disreguard the teachings of the christ and shove the ideals of past popes and the church down everyones throat..even when the truth is shown to them, this is called hypocracy.. and god forbid if most would admit to it..all they seem to do is make excuses and rationalise them to keep themselves blind to the reality of their ignorance and stupidity..now dont get me wrong i'm not saying all christians do this , but it does seem to be a general trend..

reply to post by infolurker


Well, you are right in the fact that there will be persecution... It is unfortunate. While I do not agree wholeheartedly with any organized religion, I support their right to practice. After all, any removal of the right to practice religion will be a removal of the right to have any spiritual beliefs whatsoever. That measure I cannot morally or intellectually support.

reply to post by semperfortis


When you allow one group to kill based upon this "perfect" world they are trying to create following "gods" orders..... You then also make it justified for every one else to kill based upon bringing their "perfect" world into existance.

You cannot kill. This is what the commandment was ment for. Everyone deserves more time to understand their ignorance.. you cannot justify the taking of another life.... ever.

reply to post by infolurker


evangilical aithiests..
interesting.. thats an oxymoron..
now u see why some are such and easy target..

reply to post by Wertdagf


That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it..

Ironic that I have fought to make sure you are able to express that very opinion don't you think?

Semper

reply to post by scorand


Well, most modern day Christians have been hood-winked. The vast majority of them don't know the history of their organized institution, nor do they know the truth principles of original Christianity.

Now, to be honest, that is not of their own accord. Most of them are just as much of a victim of the conspiracy as anyone else.

reply to post by Revolution-2012


The reason why Chirstian skeptics are so rampant is because they wan't everyone to believe as they believe, and they are hellbent on destroying anyones sanctity at whatever cost.

sounds like christianity, they'll even go so far as to destroy the constitution to force their dogma and ignorance

reply to post by scorand


i personally don't believe the US or the western world is christian. i believe it's pagan and has been for a very long time. but the form of paganism it espouses, allows for the beliefs of others to co-exist. unfortunately, with the advent of communism and darwinism, the idea of co-existing with someone who disagrees with you on fundamental issues like abortion, homosexuality, sodomy and the like, is quickly becoming a sore spot. what we have are two ways of viewing life and activities while alive, that have entirely different paradigms.

the christian religions, particularly protestanism and catholicism, have been homogenized to the point of near oblivion, and it is at this point, that the nay sayers rise up to point that out - - you christians have become worldly! dare i say it was an attempt to co-exist, peaceably that went horribly awry? yet, had they stuck to their sensibilities rigidly, they'd be so out of touch with the society in which they have to live and function, that they wouldn't be able to change your tires or serve you food or paint your house or dress your wounds.

reply to post by semperfortis


Do you think i would not die to a terrorist for him to have one more day to see what i have seen?

Its is all a consquence of ignorance. Everything is just how it should be, how it was supposed to be, and this is all a lesson.

Every new experiance you have is a chance to see. Who you are dies with each new experiance. There is death in every second. Every new memory you create changes who you were. This is the foundation of infinite love, repentance, and forgiveness.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
reply to post by justamomma

 

Who cares.

Honestly.

Let people believe what they wan't to believe.

I believe that penguins are the true gods, and they are a highly intelligent species. Where do you think Unidentified Submergeable Objects come from?

Let it go. Just let it go. Breath deeply, and say to yourself, it really does not matter what other people think and chances are I'll never be able to change their beliefs.

While I agree completely (there is something referred to as the Universal Law of Allowance, sometimes referred to as 'Thelema'), the only caveat I would add is that anyone's beliefs should not impose or be forced on anyone else's, especially by creating laws based on them. There are many belief systems, and respect for each should always be a two-way street. Which is easier, controlling others or controlling ourself. Which is more important ? (controlling ourselves!, if you didn't know-) When we answer and apply the answer to that question, we have no need to satisfy our egos by attacking others. This of course does not apply to belief systems (religious or political) which are designed to control others.

To answer the question of this thread, we must explore the human condition.

People in general, cannot accept the fact that nothing happens after death. Even if they promise to themselves that we are made of matter and everything is a fabrication of the human brain, we still question ourselves continuously on the afterlife.

We experience disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty. crime, torture, corruption, war, rape, greed, murder, competitive, aggression, selfishness. But also love, cooperation, and selflessness.

Mankind is trying to fix its habits but is getting no where. Thus we need an answer, and religion is created as the result.

But in the end, some realize that religion does not solve anything, on the contrary, it became a part of the human condition of which we must destroy as it prevents the pursuit of happiness and self-satisfaction.

reply to post by semperfortis


My thoughts aren't narrowed but regardless you can make your own

assumptions. The debate with you is one I've had many times, read the

same scripture, never yeiled any answers or results. Fact of the matter is

I disagree with all World religions; Religion is a Vice to hold government to

community and in that essence the fuel to many many many Wars. I am a

spiritual man but the extention of my spirituality ends at madness. The

fact of accepting bloodshed as a means to the end of any circumstance

will never yeild peace. The rest of the universe is more destructive then

we may ever know, for every second the Earth isn't bombarded by foreign

matter another body is being just as inversely Bombarded. In this

instance existence is fragile and should be treated such. I agree that if

circumstance interveined I may just as well be involved in the defense of

my family and loved ones. Although I don't believe in my lifetime there

will be a reason for this, I just strongly disagree with any type of warfare

on the planet at this time. The most simple differences, could easily be

changed; if we actually knew what it was to be human and not what it is to

be like our ancestors... Savage Beasts. We hold to writings of the old that

have long lost meaning in our present; the world cannot survive with such

secular beliefs. Hopefully in my lifetime I can see a world where ethnicity

and religious preference aren't on Job applications.