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Originally posted by ANNED
In Calif if you have to call cops on cops for city cops or county sheriff's you call the state highway patrol.
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by PhoenixDemon
Howdy.
I did not just pull that out of thin air, I asked this question of one of my sheriff department friends years ago, and that is how it was explained to me. They have various codes, and go to the call according to the code level. Often they don't use anything when inside a neighborhood, especially late at night, as they don't want to cause a disturbance, for example. They do have to hit their lights to blow through a red traffic signal though, and often shut them back off on the other side. I observed two officers late one night, heading home from working the local sports stadium, who were racing each other and blowing the lights. When they almost hit me I called to complain to the dispatch center and was basically told the exact same thing. There is apparently some conflict with this, and maybe it goes down to various state laws or individual department procedures.
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by BornPatriot
Police are allowed to speed without their lights or siren on. There are three different modes that they are told to go under when preceding to a call; both lights and siren, Lights only, and neither. ...
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by BornPatriot
Police are allowed to speed without their lights or siren on. There are three different modes that they are told to go under when preceding to a call; both lights and siren, Lights only, and neither. ...
No. The "silent run" is illegal in almost all states. It absolutely **is** illegal in Indiana. The police officer MUST have on either 1) Lights and sirens, 2) Lights, or 3) Siren.
Originally posted by badmedia
I would have acted in the same manner as the person in the car. They have no right to do such things. You can say he made it worse on himself, but he shouldn't have to do such things in the first place.
It is an illegal search and seizure period. 100% harassment.
Yes, obviously they are looking for other things. I don't want drugs, weapons, and other contraband coming in as well.
Originally posted by badmedia
They are just using the illegal alien part as an excuse. Made obvious because the checkpoint officer even stated they were looking for other things.
Originally posted by badmedia
If they actually gave a crap about illegal aliens, they would be protecting the border and stopping them from getting in to begin with, rather than letting them come across freely and then harassing all citizens as a result.
Originally posted by DrJMengele
It's not illegal and they do have the right. Can you provide a link to any laws which say that it's illegal for them to do it? Do you honestly think they would be doing it out in broad daylight to thousands of people every day if they couldn't do it legally? It would open the government up to a huge lawsuit.
Originally posted by badmedia
I would have acted in the same manner as the person in the car. They have no right to do such things. You can say he made it worse on himself, but he shouldn't have to do such things in the first place.
It is an illegal search and seizure period. 100% harassment.
Originally posted by badmedia
They are just using the illegal alien part as an excuse. Made obvious because the checkpoint officer even stated they were looking for other things.
Originally posted by badmedia
If they actually gave a crap about illegal aliens, they would be protecting the border and stopping them from getting in to begin with, rather than letting them come across freely and then harassing all citizens as a result.
Originally posted by badmedia
I've driven through those things, but never been stopped or talked to at all. Probably because I'm white.
Originally posted by DrJMengele
It's not illegal and they do have the right. Can you provide a link to any laws which say that it's illegal for them to do it? Do you honestly think they would be doing it out in broad daylight to thousands of people every day if they couldn't do it legally? It would open the government up to a huge lawsuit.
Yes, obviously they are looking for other things. I don't want drugs, weapons, and other contraband coming in as well.
Easy to sit at your computer in a comfy chair saying things should be done. Actually doing them is much harder. Why don't you join the border patrol, at least for a temporary amount of time just to see first hand how much work they actually do? You might be surprised. They stop thousands of illegal immigrants from coming into the states every day, and recover literal tons of drugs every day from smugglers, and enough weapons to fund a private army. The problem is for every thousand illegal immigrants coming in that they catch, there are a thousand more.
It's easy to say "stop them from coming in." But let's do some simple math. The southern border is about 700 miles long. There are 5280 feet in a mile. Now let's assume that you would need a guard placed along the border about every 500 feet during the day when visibility is good and you can see farther. So that's 5280x700=3,696,000/500=7,392. So you would need 7,392 border patrol guards stationed on the border at any given time, to fully cover the border and protect. Obviously a guard can't be there 24/7, so let's assume they work 8 hour shifts. That's 7,392x3=22,176.
So to effectively cover and protect the border, you will need to hire 22,176 border patrol guards. Now get back to me when you find 22,176 people in America who are fit, active, and have no criminal history, who want to be whisked away to the southern border into the hot desert away from their families. Not so easy now, is it?
And that doesn't include the night. You would obviously need much more guards during the night because of lower visibility. Let's say one guard every 50 feet on the border. That's 221,760 guards.
Originally posted by RFBurns
Ok let me point out something that you and the others in support of this bozo are missing.
1. The guy is LOCKED inside his vehicle.
2. The guy barely has the window open.
3. The guy is videotaping with at least 2 cameras.
4. The guy is behind other traffic.
5. The other traffic seems to move along rather quickly.
6. The guy INSTANTLY gives the officer hassle.
7. The guy REFUSES to answer 1 simple question.
8. The guy IS infringing upon the rights of the other drivers behind him.
9. The guy IS interfereing with official border patrol business.
10. The guy IS NOT purposely delayed by the officers..he is delaying himself by refusing to cooperate.
11. The guy is causing an unecessary delay to everyone, officers included.
12. The guy is causing the problem from the begining..his videos PROVE that.
13. No where in ANY of the videos this guy published shows ANY officers doing ANY search and seizures.
14. His videos shows drivers in front of him not having any problem and are waved right on through.
15. This guy ends up delaying the entire process and everyone by up to 10 or more minutes every time he runs into a border patrol checkpoint.
16. This guy, and others who support him, simply do not understand that illegals do NOT sit at the border just waiting for the border patrol to come to them.
17. This guy, and others who support him, have NO IDEA about Cyote Pyote's, a group of people who smuggle and transport illegals once across the boarder and drop them off into various cities and towns ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. These people make anywhere from 1,000 dollars to up to 10,000 dollars to smuggle illegals.
18. These Cyote Pyote groups wait out in the middle of God's open country on dirt trails and roads, waiting for these illegals, load them up and then drive mostly on state roadways, rarely going on major highways. It is that reason why there are more border patrol checkpoints along state roads than on the major highways.
19. The U.S. Border Patrol has jurisdiction across the ENTIRE country, which gives them the LEGAL authority to be able to capture, detain, and deport illegals no matter WHERE THEY ARE CAPTURED.
20. The U.S. Border Patrol was recently requested by the American public to increase their patrols and checkpoints to capture illegals. They are doing excatly that!
But many people who live in nearby towns oppose the permanent checkpoint. They say that even the temporary ones just force smugglers off the highway and into their communities. Nan Walden, a lawyer and pecan farmer, is part of a study group that looked at existing permanent checkpoints, like one near Laredo, Texas.
"We talked to people that have lived with checkpoints for 30 years," Walden says. "The crime, the smuggling, the violence is increasing. It's a no man's land between the border and these checkpoints and they keep moving the checkpoints north."
Do we all get it now? This is not any matter of the officers infringing on any rights whatsoever. They are doing a job requested by the American public. They cannot man every 10 feet of border line crossing that exsists and out in God's open country. Not even the entire military compliment could cover every square inch of border. To expect a handful of border patrol agents to be able to cover thousands upon thousands of square miles of open territory to catch illegals is a wet dream.
So they set up checkpoints at key locations where the smuggling traffic is known or suspected to be occuring.
They have been doing this for decades folks. DECADES!!!
Part of the U.S. Border Patrol's duties are to also look for drug smuggling, which if you paid attention, a majority of the drugs that come into the US are from the south. Some of these illegals that are packed into vans and the back of sub compact cars have baggies of dope or coke shoved up their you know what. So yes they will be looking for alot more than just illegals.
Now does a typical police officer's duties limited to just catching crooks and purse snatchers? No. The U.S. Border Patrol is not just the country's border police, they are also the country's nationwide police to capture illegals, drug smugglers, Cyote Pyote convoys, and anything else that is illegal under the law that extends from border to border.
As I have stated about 20 times now, the illegals DO NOT bounce happily go merry at the border crossing where there are tons of traffic, cops and border patrol officers. They come across the border in God's open country, often hundreds of miles from ANY civilized populated area, where they meet up with their waiting ride to be smuggled into nearby cities and towns. And once again, there simply is not enough man power to put an officer every 10 or even 100 feet of border line across the entire south or north to catch them.
Try to be realistic here, not fantasy.
They do not harass citizens at all. They ask one simple question in a courteous and professional manner. Those videos of this idiot proves that.