Video: Cop Punches Woman In Face Four Times During Arrest For Riding A Bike

Originally posted by dariousg
Then he sprayed himself in the face. He may have had the mace ready because he knew her to be a resister. Who knows.

Just in case you want to know, there is a link that has his statement about the incident.

www.courierpostonline.com...


He doesnt claim he knew her personally, or she was known to be a resister. He was suspicious because of the time of night and the area.

And in this video, you can clearly hear what he says to her and her response before he even leaves the car.

There seems to be different sets of underlying assumptions here that color this incident before it begins in the minds of most responders here.

On the one side, the assumption is that we all share a common status as citizen with a full panoply of rights and dignities available to us, no matter what our station or social status. This faction is outraged at the cops' behavior and finds no justification in matters that couldn't be known to the police without illegal behavior on their part.

On the other side, the assumption is that some social classes are entitled to more rights and dignities than others. What would be unacceptable behavior if applied to them personally seems to be okay with them if the individual belongs to the criminal class for some, the welfare class for others, or the poor and uneducated for still others. Then it seems that the behavior is seen as some sort of acceptable prophylactic against future crime, regretable but necessary.

What those of the second group seldom realize is how easily THEY might be seen as belonging to a group whose rights and dignities are acceptably limited, too. They don't understand that if they are viewed as such, then there is a category of cop with whom it is impossible to just "be respectful and cooperative and you'll be okay", because he's coming into the situation looking to arrest you no matter what. Such a cop will escalate the issue progressively by use of voice, physical handling and threats until he gets what he wants: an indignant response that justifies his violence and your arrest.

This guy was such a cop.

And the other cop didn't knee her in the ribs, which is bad enough: he was aiming for and hitting her cocccx, her tailbone, a potentially paralyzing blow and extremely painful. It has the virtue of not leaving much visible evidence while inflicting the maximum amount of pain.

That guy was a professional sadist.

What else could the cops do? Try asking her respectfully from the beginning, don't touch her body aggressively, and back off when tension get high and chill a bit. Why are cops always in such a hurry and so demanding, anyway? If you've a three to one advantage you can afford a little courtesy.

And before you yap about "she might be armed!!"...so what?!? It's the damned job, show some guts and remember you're wearing armor, you've got better training and experience. If you're paying attention and treating her as an equal you'll catch any move to a weapon in time to stop it. If you can't, then you lack the training and skills to be a cop.

I've disarmed gangbangers and pissed-off bikers without incident, so don't tell me it can't be done or is too dangerous. If you feel it's too dangerous then go sell donuts instead.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by apacheman]

Just a bit to say here. She was convicted of resisting which she only did after he through her off her bike. She was not convicted of riding her bike on the side walk.

So we are not allowed to protect ourselves from the illegal moves of police and just do as they say and hope that the Judiciary will actually uphold our rights. .......................................sorry couldn't stop laughing.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Thats pretty intense. Cops, as far as im concerned, just gave me one more reason not to like them.

Originally posted by tjsteeler

Originally posted by John Matrix


Comply? For doing what? All the cop needed to do was leave her alone.

if you listened to the audio you would have your answer.

why should the cop leave a person who is breaking the law, alone? all you do is say "yes, officer" and so on. what does resisting accomplish?

Some people just don't get it until it happens to them. Your day is coming pal....trust me...you will get your wake up call when you least expect it.
Then you will understand.

When I was seventeen my gf baby sat for this cop that showed me his "plant" as he called it. So, being rather naive back in the early 1970's I asked him why he called a small pistol a "plant". He explained that most cops carry a gun to "plant" on a person that they happen to shoot by mistake, that way it looks like self defence. He also showed me the ankle holster he wore to conceal the gun. He also carried drugs to plant on people if he didn't like them, or if they got mouthy. Ever since then I never trusted cops.

Originally posted by rcwj75
WOW...you people are blind. He never pulled his OC spray! She sprayed something in his face then tried to put it in her left side jacket pocket!

Not being blind but aware of fact, that if she had of sprayed cop with anything, she would not of been charged with Resisting Arrest.
She would have been charged with Assault on a Police officer, maybe need reading glasses.

reply to post by apacheman


That was a beautiful post. If I could applaud it, I would, and if any post in this thread deserves applause it is that one. I hope it is noted by staff.

Excellent description of the two main mindsets at work here, and very enlightening to me as well. I just could not see how some thought what was happening was ok. You have given me insight. Much appreciated.

NICE! Just lovely. This cops are a disgrace to this world, they are just a total shame in the eye of the beholder.

My word of advice is: If you see a cop anywhere just get the hell away and don't even make eye contact cause that's when they savour the beating they are about to lay on you.

It's as if they are lusting to beat you severely to the point of breaking a bone or sending you to the hospital all crippled or dead.

"STAY AWAY FROM COPS IF YOU WANT TO LIVE"

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Apologies OP I double posted you entirely my fault
S&F for you

Well I'm shocked - In my neck of the woods they actually make foot paths wider to handle walkers and bickers it’s safer and less people are hurt buy cars. But this is ridiculous the bicker was riding at night the safest place is on the footpath no matter what the law says. What bullies and how long did it take to arrest one female

First thing I will say is, no, this Officer should not have hit the woman. I hope she will be compensated for that. Hopefully he will get punished.

With that said, here's a question for some members here on ATS: Do you walk around life being scared?

Some of the posts in here... wow! I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Am not purposefully wanting to start an argument but the ignorance is astounding.

If some people have only had bad experiences with Cops, then there's obviously a pattern. Try to analyze and focus on what the problem is. Start by looking in the mirror first and foremost.

I've been pulled over a handful of times and never had a problem. Then again, I treat others the way I want to be treated aka be polite. That goes a long way. If the cop's having a bad day, be polite. It's not sucking up, it's common sense.

I do the same if I'm talking to the lady at the DMV, a checker at Walmart or my brother. If someones having a bad day, be polite. It goes a long way.

If someone reading my post has really been beaten by a Cops for no reason other than being their entertainment, I'm sorry to hear that. Hope ya get compensated! Just don't forget there are good Cops out there as well. People shouldn't generalize against all Cops.

Generalization makes people ignorant. Please keep that in mind.

And no, I am NOT saying all Cops are good. There are bad ones out there and I hope they are weeded out. It just takes one bad one to negate the good that 10 Cops did because, as said, there is ignorance in this world.

Before I finish I'd just like to say, no, we don't live in a police state. If you would like to experience one, there are tours to North Korea. Go visit, come back, compare, then let's talk.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


As ugly as the video may look, the woman was uncooperative, she slung her arm up at the first cop initiating the struggle and then continues to resist. I know there are dirty cops out there, all over, but this particular video only shows a person resisting arrest and it's repurcussion. The hitting the woman is not to be tolerated, and he deserves to be reprimanded for this, but the arrest was her own fault.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by space cadet]

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


So, he stops her only for the bike being on the sidewalk, and two other cops show up that fast, and the ONLY crime is the bike being on the sidewalk? She wasn't maybe running drug money, or even drugs?

Now, it DOES look like he hit her four times, and that certainly would not be called for with her lying face down and two other cops having her quite restrained. Still, I suspect there is more to this tale that we are being told.

If the only crime was the bike, well, the cops there need to find something better to do, like catch actual criminals.

Originally posted by gnosis111
All cops are mental midgets, who were picked on in high school and have a score to settle with society. I hate them, all of them. Even the so called good ones because they sit idly by and watch injustice happen, much like our military.

Worthless slaves.

"Much like our military"????? Careful there, I happen to BE ex-military, and married to a soldier now. Abusive, power-mad cops are a problem, yes. But stating that the military is like this is so wrong I don't know where to start. This is NOT the mentality of our military, no matter what the phony-anti-war media and others want you to believe. I KNOW these people, thank you.

Before you say it, no, I am NOT some "cop fan", and am well aware of how utterly corrupt many cops, and even some entire departments, are. If they use excess force, they are wrong. However, I do demand accuracy, and seeing all the evidence, and hearing all the information is good before passing judgment. None of this, though, is remotely related to the military, and I will not sit by and ignore such lies.

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


I can show you a lot of military people, including the one I happen to be married to. None of them would condone illegal activity, or abuse of innocent people, so lay off with this bash-the-military CRAP already. It is BS. Gee, would you feel safer with some armed civilian force, programmed at mandatory camps, protecting you, since according to that joke in the White House now, we "can't depend on the military" to do it???

This thread is about possible police brutality, NOT the military, and I am sick of the bashing taking place here.

reply to post by mr-lizard


We sure could use Timothy Mcveigh again.

Originally posted by Midav

If some people have only had bad experiences with Cops, then there's obviously a pattern. Try to analyze and focus on what the problem is. Start by looking in the mirror first and foremost.

Well, I can share with you that my husband, as honest and decent a person as you could care to know, has had more than one bad experience with cops, for doing NOTHING at all. In one case, he and four friends were walking on the beach, and a horde of cops shows up, grabs one guy, and throws him over a car. The reason? The guy had a bandanna on his head cause his hair was a mess. No crime, no charge. In another town, one cop would habitually harass the college kids, tossing them onto a car to search them for no reason at all. This guy did this alone, always, though he had a partner. Apparently, he did it off duty. This went on till he was witnessed, and subsequently fired. My brother and some friends were also regularly hassled by local cops, for simply walking down a peaceful neighborhood street.

There are some really bad cops out there, and some good ones.

I don't understand why the lady elbowed (assaulted) the officer in the chest, which started the cop in to "handcuff mode", and why she was resisting...

If she was a normal citizen she would have just cooperated with the cops commands, and answered his questions. The whole situation would have been avoided.



[edit on 6-2-2009 by ALLis0NE]

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


this is new jersey. you do not get a not guilty verdict,period.
their courts are held in auditoriums,and most people are there to pay their fines. in the town i lived in they would fill the auditorium up 2 times for this purpose.
you can,and have to sit there all night if you plead not guilty.so you get to see everyone get screwed.
now they have it so you talk to the pursecutor in the hallway and they make a deal to take a higher amount and charge you with something that has no points.
it sucks to watch them testify to things you know are false.

i have personally had them change what i was being charged with in front of the judge,just so they could convict me
if you live in jersey or get ticketed there. you are guilty. so just pay

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


please don't read anything else into it. this is common practice in new jersey,especially in the rural areas. south jersey is where young cops go to learn to over react
in this case ,what you see is what you get. state troopers included. but i have to say it wasn't always that way with the troopers.
sorry,cuz. not you

[edit on 6-2-2009 by Spectre0o0]