Obama's Chief of Staff: Make No-Fly List a No-Gun List

reply to post by illusionincarnate


I think I read once there are 1 Million Americans on the No-Fly-List!!
Eveybody from schoolkids to celebrities.

Talk about paranoia. The White House should hire a head Shrinker, once
finshed with the Nut-Jobs in the Big House they would be able to buy
a small country.

My My...all this stuff over the last couple of years - it's not just Obama's ideas, a lot of this stuff had the groundwork laid a long time ago under previous administrations.
I always wondered what the Dept. of Homeland Security (itself a rather Stalinist era title) was doing hiring advisors who'd previously run the KGB and STASI.... now we see it all coming together.
The USA is becoming a totalitarian state, complete with, quite possibly very soon, it's own version of the communist idea of everyone serving the state.

The irony is piling up.

Whatever happened to the association of "Liberal" with Liberty? Is it now just a shared root of the word liber? It seems that Liberal now means an endorsement of a political philosophy that the Federal Government has more liberty in how they interpret individual liberties....

I bet it will only take one malignant control freak with a bit of power for the first time in his life to start dropping people into this bureaucratic hell hole.

I can just the gimlet eyed human turd select people because they are a bit too hippy, a dash too full of themselves, maybe someone a little bit too pretty or liberal. Oh, and don’t think these little hitlers, that do these kind of selections, will let gun enthusiasts get away with being a bit too outdoorsy.

Here's hoping I am not on the 'No Fly' list- I am going to start saving to leave the country- where is a good place to go? I am seeing the Asian countries aren't doing an AU of their own- what country is best to go to, that accepts expats?

I should have done this 8 frigging years ago. With my tiny income tho- it's been hell.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


That is the most ignorant excuse for this policy! There are many people who are on the 'no-fly' list for either standing up for their rights, attending protests, etc. Also, there are some who have the same name as someone else on the 'no-fly' list and they are all banned from flying - that's probably why that 7 year old was on there!

I'm sorry but what can a 7 year old do to threaten national security?

Stop being a sheep and use your brain!

what an absurd idea by someone who doent look the least bit trustworthy. I have a better idea, first Rahm, resign, and let someone who has suffered for real in this country make policy, meaning let those with reality in there brain make decisions. your scheming this crap up is silly.

A; Too many duplicate/wrong names on the nazi stasi no fly list, i call it coked up presidential paranoia.

B; Fire everyone involved with modern government, break foreign ties with manipulating countries, and restrengthen the united states, by releasing all feeling of obligation beyond knowing right from wrong.

Im sick of loser queen servants and satan worshippers thinking they are the reactive force, they are manipulating facades of lies.

Hey rahm, your a liar, barrack, 2 faced liar, government in general..absolutely wrong on 99.9% of the fronts they walk.

you figure it out genius.

These people in power miss so many points.. Such as..
If you are a terroist, what is stopping you from buying a gun off the street?

If you are at "high" risk what is stopping them from getting their hands on firearms? Nothing is stopping them!!

Its all red tape and BS!

If you are a criminal.. Then laws do not stop you from becoming armed.

What do they not understand about that?
Criminals will be armed.. So lets try to disarm those who follow the laws.
Just doesnt make sense to me..

Heck, you don't need a firearm. Lets take a look at 911.. All done without firearms.. No guns need, and that took down WTC, building 7, And hit the pentagon. "They" used boxcutters.. So whats the point to this bill?
Bullocks..
Granted I do not belive the offical story.. but this is not about 911.. But just using that as an example..
You can kill a man with a shoe string.

That should garner a nice lawsuit by the ACLU. The No Fly list is a bunch of BS. I would be mad as hell if they took a list made with absolutely zero due process and converted it to a gun control bill with zero due process!

Time to fire off another angry letter to my congressmen and senators

reply to post by Wehali


I would like to ask you this.... are you a vegetarian???? please answer truthfully.... if not and you do eat meat... have you seen how cows are killed?????????? its horrifying and painfull..... a hunter always minimises pain in his kills.... I will not post how cows are slaughtered as very barbaric.... I can guarantee you a hunter is 10 times for civil then the barbaric slaughter houses... just because you didn't do the kill doesn't mean the animal you are eating did't suffer immensly ... and in the end who is really the more barbaric??????????????? one animal dies quickly the other one suffers immense pain over an extended period of time........

Whoa hold up their sundance!

He can not be serious, is this guy really that ignorant!?

Hello McFly you know how many people are falsely on that list and they refuse to take them off even though they have already proven to the federal govt. that they are who they say they are, the govt. then confirms yes you are and they still refuse to take them off the list?!

On top of it the guy looks like he's about as high as hot air balloon. Last thing I need in office is some drug addict that pushes for legislature because he's getting free hits every time he takes it up before congress and/or the people.

There is no way this will ever happen.

Originally posted by socrates271
Well, it seems defending the constitution is pointless now because of the new laws that are to be established by these guys in washington or wherever they hide portraying those who defend their rights to be terrorists. Maybe it's a good thing maybe it's bad, who knows? All I know is that this isn't the same country it used to be, so if you don't like where it's headed, no better time than now to move to another area.

Correct. Look at all of these meaning idiots who think the second amendment is there so you can hunt! ShadowRaven claims to understand the constitution, but is conveniently in favor of unlawful search (watchlist) as well as the 'restriction' on our 2nd amendment right (not a privilege btw).

At this point I'm hating this Chief of Staff more than I did Bush, which is really saying something. This guy needs to leave the "American Family" and go back to where ever he came from.

Bah I got this beat without even citing the 2nd Ammendment.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

But let's be fair here and make our list using this list as a starting point for people no longer eligible to exert personal opinion under the false guise of representation of the American people

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I really think people who do things that are violent or possibly illegal or may endanger others is a reason to not give them guns or let them fly...

Drunk driving and speeding are extremely violent crimes . You want all those criminals to lose their gun rights?

Originally posted by Wehali
No civilian should be allowed to carry fire arms, under any circumstances..
That includes hunting, shooting animals for sport is a barbaric tradition that
has no place in a civilized world. Humans have proven again and again that
they are not mature enough to carry guns, if military must exist, then at
least ban civilians from owning fire arms, so casualties out of war are not
increased unnecessary.

OH PLEEEEEEEEEZ! Wrong thread!

Every time one of you come on here and espouse this rubbish, I'm gonna go home and shoot small animals just for sh*ts and grins! Get off your high horse!

reply to post by Wehali


It is the inherent RIGHT of a citizen of this, or any, nation to defend themselves to the best of their ability. How do you suggest I protect my home and my family?

With spoons?

Make guns illegal and you suddenly have a law abiding population that is defenseless and legion of crooks with guns. Armed crime rates soar. Do some research if you don't believe me.

Disarmament of the populace is how free nations fall.

You live up to the truth in my signature line.

[edit on 3-2-2009 by SeekerOfAUTMN]

reply to post by illusionincarnate


I notice you mention the US Public Service Academy but I'm not sure that the description listed is completely accurate. The USPSA would train the next generation of civilian leaders and place them in 5-year service commitments in various high-need fields, including disaster management and education. For more about the USPSA, see www.uspublicserviceacademy.org

--John

Originally posted by Wehali
No civilian should be allowed to carry fire arms, under any circumstances..
That includes hunting, shooting animals for sport is a barbaric tradition that
has no place in a civilized world. Humans have proven again and again that
they are not mature enough to carry guns, if military must exist, then at
least ban civilians from owning fire arms, so casualties out of war are not
increased unnecessary.

Maybe this holds true to the population in Europe, but here in the United States, those very words can mark a person as an enemy of the Constitution of our nation.

While there exist many in our country that believe the same as you, they are viewed as nutcases, pansies, liberals, pacifists, troublemakers, outcasts, loudmouths, candyasses, punks, limp-wrists. The list can go on and on. What I'm trying to say is that we don't any of these people in this list here, so do us a favor and stay in Belgium.