Within 7 days - 6 died at Minot Air Force Base 07 - Commander now dead

Originally posted by KyoZero

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by KyoZero

Hey Nich...we're all here to present sides. I've done mine and some followed some haven't. I promise I'll never think less of you or more of me. We're all humans here. Like I said, it could be a bit of both. I will still be around for more talk but thank you for being civil.
I am still looking forward to some other ideas.
-Kyo

Media, politicians maintain silence on flight of US nuclear bomber
By Bill Van Auken
14 September 2007

“A nuclear weapon can only be removed from an igloo upon written orders originating with a very limited number of senior base command officers and signed by at lease three other senior officers. Even then, the senior OIC of the arsenal site along with at least one junior officer will only order a weapon be retrieved and prepared for transfer after they both have verbally confirmed their written orders to do so with the base commander or his deputy. This is done using special limited access and encrypted telephone lines or in person, and verification is accomplished only after each party has correctly read a unique sequence of letters and numbers printed on their orders. A senior OIC along with at least one junior munitions officer will arrive at the arsenal site at the time designated in their orders to transport the weapon. They will have already verified their written orders with a very senior base command officer. Each pair of munitions officers can only sign and be responsible for a single weapon at a time, and they must be accompanied by a special highly trained munitions crew and by a squad of heavily armed security police officers. After the two arsenal site officers and the two munitions officers have each visually verified the serial number of the weapon being transferred matches the serial number typed on both sets of their orders, all four must sign both sets of orders indicating the transfer has been verified and completed. A maximum of four nuclear weapons can be transferred to the flight line in each convoy, but each weapon must have their own team of officers with verified orders, munitions specialist, and a security detail. Also, the printed orders for the OIC of each munitions team indicate exactly which aircraft will receive that weapon and exactly where every weapon is to be mounted. Everyone involved is trained to repeatedly triple check everything for accuracy.”
He goes on to detail similar procedures for the flight crew, which he notes “can easily and clearly view a weapons display that electronically verifies every weapon system installed on their aircraft. That display also clearly identifies every weapon as being a practice, conventional or nuclear weapon.”
www.wsws.org...


And the mistake can be made where? Because we are human? Oh......

yeah that's right...we are

It isn't impossible my friend...blatant mistakes happen all the time.

-Kyo

reply to post by detachedindividual

Theres lots going on in the covert world and they look after their own so there could be an interrupted operation that has to be 'corrected'

Incidentally your signature is Palestinian terrorist hog wash :
ie:
Write to your government leaders, demand the closure of Israeli embassies worldwide. Only through harsh and real international pressure can Israel see the consequences of their war crimes against innocent women and children! ''

Educate yourself.
Yacov

I AM A ZIONIST



By Reuven Koret Israelinsider.com



I belong to a people who brought the Bible to the

world, transmitting the tradition of the Torah, the

Ten Commandments, and the idea of One God from

generation to generation. I am part of an ancient

nation that reclaimed its homeland two thousand years

after being expelled from it, rising up like a phoenix

from the ashes and impotence of the Holocaust.



I am a citizen of a country that has gathered in her

scattered people, taking in refugees from one hundred

nations, rescuing the persecuted and the impoverished, welcoming idealists and adventurers and restless wanderers who chose to join her, like me.



I am defended by the IDF, the finest small fighting

force in the world, a citizens' army with high moral

standards and purity of arms second to no other nation.



I am grateful to merit Jerusalem as my capital, the

place to which our people have always turned, the

city that our soldiers reunited and redeemed from

desecration after our enemies destroyed her synagogues

and sacred sites, using her shrines as garbage dumps

and the tombstones of our ancestors to line their

sewers.



I am grateful to walk the streets in a land where a

Jew can wear a skullcap or a Star of David or a black

robe without fearing ridicule or persecution or even

looks askance.



I speak and understand Hebrew, the sacred tongue of

Holy Writ, a "dead language" revived by our people so

that our nation would have a common basis for

communication. I am proud that every child can read

the Torah in its original form.



I raise my children in schools where the victories

and tragedies of our people are remembered, where the

holidays celebrate our God and our traditions.



I participate in the only democracy in a region of the

world where freedom of expression and human rights are otherwise absent.



I live in a land where I can speak of our national

flaws, our social failings, our fallible leaders -

and there are many, many of each -- without fear of

being censored, imprisoned or executed.



I am proud that our country is hated by some of the

most vicious, cruel, backward, repressive,

terror-supporting dictatorships in the world.



I am proud that the morally vapid governments of

Europe, Africa, and Asia, along with the UN in which

their majorities rule, have nothing better to do

than to condemn us.



I am proud that our strongest ally is the greatest

nation in the world, and proud that its people and

its elected representatives stand by us and prevent

us from isolation and condemnation by lesser nations

with weaker moral fiber.



I am proud of our entrepreneurial accomplishments, our research, our technologies, our innovative products.



I am proud of our artists, our musicians, our authors,

our athletes, and our pilots. I'm proud of our

national airline, and its legendary security checks,

and I'm proud that by now they let me pass with a

few perfunctory questions.



I am proud of my fellow citizens, who have shown such

grace and courage under fire, refusing to allow their

love of life and their passion for freedom to be

sapped by death-seeking, freedom-hating terrorists.



I am proud of our compassionate leftists, and our

patriotic rightists. I'm proud of our unbending

ultra-Orthodox and our ultra-rational secularists.

I'm proud of our pioneering settlers and our

peace-seeking activists. I am proud that we are

a stiff-necked people.



I belong to a people who dwell alone, yet shine a

light unto the world. We may not always be right,

but we're never as wrong as our enemies claim. And

even when we are wrong, we are a nation that seeks

to make things right.



Our people holds the birthright to the land on which

we live, inscribed in the Bible, proven by

archaeological excavations, and verified by the

investment of agricultural, industrial, and financial investments we have made, sealed by our sweat and by our blood, by our tears of sorrow and of joy, to develop and defend our country.



We stretch out our hands in peace to our Arab

neighbors, in full knowledge that they rejected the

UN Partition in 1947, invaded our fledgling state in

1948, tried to strangle us in 1967, surprised us

on Yom Kippur in 1973.



We pray for a just settlement with the Palestinian

people, even though from the inception of the PLO in

1964, before the conquests of the Six Day War, their

leadership has been dedicated to liberating Palestine,

which means eliminating Israel.



We have endured from the Palestinians unceasing

terror attacks ever since, and despite all political

agreements and diplomatic initiatives, we see that

the Palestinians continue to incite their people to

despise us and to aspire to destroying us. We have

offered to share our land with our neighbors, but we

will not give land to be used to drive us into the sea.



Even if hundreds of millions of people hate us, even

if some nations pray we did not exist, even if some

of our enemies won't rest till they kill us and many

in the rest of the world don't give a damn, I couldn't

be prouder. We have come home, and this is it.



I am an Israeli, a citizen of the one and only Jewish

homeland. I thank God that I was a born in a time when

I could fulfill the dream of two thousand years to

return to Zion .



I am a Zionist, a believer and supporter and

defender of our reborn nation.



And you who read these words, with compassion and

understanding and identification -whether you are

Jewish or not, Israeli or not -- you are a Zionist, too.

That previous article quoted from the Military Times web forum, I was hoping to see that somewhere.

OK - what happened to the nukes anyway, does any article clearly state whether or not they have been decommissioned? That is pretty key, don't you think?

It was mentioned earlier in the thread but nobody seemed to know for sure what became of them.

Or did I miss something?

Kyo, the only mistakes made was the Bush admin. getting caught on the way to bomb Iran for the NON-JEWs that live in Israel called the synagogue of satan. Now, Obama will take up where Bush failed, and carry out another 911, to justify martial law and a US dictatorship. Chicago may be the first target our government will take out.

Its hard to say how they will distract thus allowing the 350,000 troops across the Mexican border to push though Texas, Calif, AZ followed by the Chinese and Russian troops there. They have now authorized the U.S. Concentration camps, by H.R. 645 getting it through the House for enactment.

Heavy rolls coming and some nuclear attacks on the way.

Gone for a few days, and wow there's quite a bit of clarification needed.

First - Kyo - good to see you're doing better.

@ tgambill - well...just what to say to your claims. I've googled HR 645 as you've requested everyone do, again, and after looking at the actual bill, again, I've also looked at some explanations about it, and well, as I've said before - it has absolutely nothing to do with concentration camps. Setting up emergency command centers. That's it. Unless of course you've seen the super secret "real" HR 645 which of course details everything just as you've said...which no one else has seen, but you.

Oh and it looks like you've added the Chinese to your Red Dawn dream. How culturally wonderful! So there is an army of 350,000 troops hiding out in Mexico awaiting orders to invade the U.S. eh? Wow - that's an incredibly simple logistical achievement isn't it? Nope - no problems with that theory at all. Amazing how simple a task it is to move large numbers of forces from the other side of the world into Mexico, provide all of the food and supplies to take care of them, and least of all, hide them from the locals.


Back to the discussion of the nukes.

There's quite a bit of confusion as to how this mess started - I hope I can help clear this up.

@ the person who "caught" Kyo in the act about the storage of conventional weapons vs. nukes (think it was Pilot, sorry if it wasn't, but I've just been through the last three pages of discussion)

To clarify this storage issue: There are two storage areas on base for storing weapons. These are called the MSA (Munitions Storage Area), and the WSA (Weapons Storage Area). The MSA is where we keep the standard bombs that blow up buildings and the like. The WSA is where we keep the weapons that blow up cities...and the like. To get a good idea of how far apart these two are, the WSA is essentially on one end of the runway, while the MSA is on the complete other end. Now I think the supposed "gotcha" moment was some confusion on the storage of the missiles after the warheads are removed (called "Cold" after the warhead is out). When missiles are cold, they are still kept in the WSA. ACM's (missiles that were being decommisioned) are never placed into the MSA.

Now during this decommisioning process, there were pylons constantly going out to the flighline to be attached to the B-52's to be shipped down to Barksdale where the missiles were being stored. There were multiple reasons for this. By flying them on the bombers, the air force was able to "ship" twelve missiles at a time (6 missiles attached to each pylon, one pylon under each wing). This kept from needing to ship them using contracted trucks, which would have been also only been able to take a couple at a time. At the same time, our flight crews were able to rack up some flight time towards their monthly requirement, as well as being able to fly from one base to another, instead of simply taking off, flying a route and returning back to their home station. They were able to go to another station, do the standard meet and greet with fellow aircrew of another unit, and fly back. Additionally, loaders on each of the flightline received some good experience. This was an ongoing operation, which all players were used to seeing. The security forces members knew that cold packages were being moved on a regular basis, as did our munitions folks, the aircraft loaders on the flightline, and the aircrews that were flying them. Now since all of these items were cold, the security wasn't required around them. After the warheads were removed, these items simply became another piece of equipment being moved around.

Now in August, a crew of Handlers (what we call the guys that do all of the weapons movements) were tasked to grab a couple of these pylons and take them out to the flightline to a B-52 to take them to Barksdale.

Out of room - will continue in the next post.

continuing on,

The serial numbers of the two pylons were given to the handlers, as well as the structure they were being held in. This is where the screw up happened. One of the pylon serial numbers was correct, the other was not. During the prior weeks scheduling meeting, information was given to our person that creates the workorders which was incorrect. The following week, when the workorders were printed out and given to the crews (absolutely NO work is done without a work order in hand). The crews identified the two pylons listed on the work order, and as the work order stated something to the effect of "Transport pylon serial number xx-xxx to Stub-xx (location of aircraft on flightline) left side (which wing to park the pylon under) and serial number yy-yyy to Stub-xx right side." This is typically how the work orders were written for these transports. During exercises where we move Hot pylons, there is a certain statement on the work order which CLEARLY means that you're moving a hot item.

Now since this was an ongoing operation, and the crew had a work order that didn't have anything meaning the items were hot, they went out under the premise that the pylons were cold. To think otherwise, would be absolutely insane - at least until the incident actually happened.

So the pylons were taken to the line, dropped off under the B-52's wings, and left for the loaders to do what they do. From there, we know what happened.


I really do hope that this helps clear up some of the confusion I've noticed.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by I was There]

"@ tgambill - well...just what to say to your claims. I've googled HR 645 as you've requested everyone do, again, and after looking at the actual bill, again, I've also looked at some explanations about it, and well, as I've said before - it has absolutely nothing to do with concentration camps."

******Wrong!!!!! Your shilling might work for most but not here. Explanations? You mean damage control and lies to explain away why the insider government is getting ready to kill millions and imprison millions more. The ones doing this, however, has no idea what awaits them. It will be horrific. Just because you said it doesn't make it true.

"Setting up emergency command centers. That's it. Unless of course you've seen the super secret "real" HR 645 which of course details everything just as you've said...which no one else has seen, but you."

here is the list.........

(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:

(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.

(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.

(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.

(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.

(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.

(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.

NOW LINK WITH THE FOLLOWING PLANNING DOCUMENT......

FEMA Transition Binder

www.fas.org...

Link page 181 to this background.

President Nixon, on March 27, 1969, through the Government Reorganization Act divided the United States into 10 Regions. To further implement this Regional Governance over the U.S.A., President Nixon signed Executive Order 11647 and entered it in the Federal Register February 12, 1972. (Vol .37, No.30) Through the authority vested in him as President of the United States, President Nixon established a Federal Regional Council for each of the 10 standard regions. It stated that, the President shall designate one member of each Council as Chairman of the Council and such Chairman shall serve at the pleasure of the President. The fact that State borders have been destroyed to create 10 REGIONS instead of 50 Union States is something your government doesn't want you to know

www.barefootsworld.net...

GOES BACK TO 1969 NIXON's use as a Pawn in the third planned Military coup of the U.S. Government by the US Government. Following this failed plan, it was discussed about how many weapons American citizens had. In the 1990's a questionaire was handed to troops and one of the questions was "would you shoot an American citizen". The answers were varied however, mostly said no. Therefore they [World Government Planners] decided to set up the use of European forces inside the US and on the North American continent. Secondly, using Felons as security forces once released in mass. Calif, [of course] is now considering releasing 40% of their populations under the false premise of overcrowding. Once Calif releases prisoners to the general population other states will follow, unless like N. H. they fire the US government which is what they just did in fact, just recently. In the prisons they have been running a program called "Chrisitian Identity" which is a program to indoctrinate them to accept the New Age Movement and a perverted form of Christianity. More CIA Travistock BS....

Designed three years before the third planned military coup, 1969, signed 1972. The coup passed on to 1974, it ended, and the act was finally revoked in 1978.......

Executive Order 11647
Federal Regional Councils

Signed: February 10, 1972
Federal Register page and date: 37 FR 3167; February 12, 1972
Amended by: EO 11731, July 23, 1973; EO 11892, December 31, 1975; EO 12038, February 3, 1978
Revoked by: EO 12149, July 20, 1979
In Executive Order No. 11647, the President decreed:

"There is hereby established a Federal Regional Council for each of the ten standard federal regions. Each Council shall be composed of the directors of the regional offices of the Departments of Labor, Health, Education, and Welfare, and Housing and Urban Development, the Secretarial Representative of the Department of Transportation, and the directors of the regional offices of the Office of Economic Opportunity, the Environmental Protection Agency, and the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration.

"The President shall designate one member of each such council as chairman of that council and such chairman shall serve at the pleasure of the President. Representatives of the Office of Management and Budget may participate in any deliberations of each council."

The "ten standard federal regions" referred to by Nixon were delineated by him in a press release issued by the White House on May 21, 1969. Purporting to "streamline the structure and processes of federal agencies in the field," the President then gave the alignment for the federal regions as follows: (The city in parentheses is the federal capital of each region.)


REGION I (Boston) - Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
REGION II (New York City) - New York, New Jersey, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.
REGION III (Philadelphia) -Delaware, District of Columbia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia.
REGION IV (Atlanta) -Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee.
REGION V (Chicago) -Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin.
REGION VI (Dallas-Fort Worth) Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.
REGION VII (Kansas City) - Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Nebraska.
REGION VIII (Denver) - Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming.
REGION IX (San Francisco) -Arizona, California, Hawaii, and Nevada.
REGION X (Seattle) - Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, and Washington.
As can be noted in the foregoing list, in all cases the lines drawn for these federal regions cross State lines, thus to all intents and purposes obliterating the sovereignty of the States.

www.sweetliberty.org...

Jan 21

Presidential Transition Binder Shines a Light on FEMA

The structure and functions of the normally somewhat opaque Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) are illuminated in a 238-page briefing book (pdf) that was prepared for the presidential transition.

“The FEMA 2009 Presidential Transition Binder… is intended to serve as a reference for FEMA leadership and employees to help orient them to its organizational structure, programs, resources, stakeholders, and operations,” the document states.

The Binder, which has not otherwise been made readily available to the public, was obtained by Jonah Czerwinski, who writes the Homeland Security Watch blog.

1. [PDF]

FEMA 2009 Presidential Transition Binder

File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
FEMA Transition Binder Preamble | 1. This document, the FEMA 2009 Presidential Transition Binder, ... FEMA Transition Binder Table of Contents | 1 ...
www.fas.org/irp/agency/dhs/fema/transition2009.pdf

State-By-State Index Of Potential
US Concentration Camps
CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN AMERICA
From gulagamerika.homestead.com...
Revised September 18, 2001
11-26-1

www.rense.com...

www.apfn.org...

www.greaterthings.com...

www.greaterthings.com...


"Oh and it looks like you've added the Chinese to your Red Dawn dream. How culturally wonderful! So there is an army of 350,000 troops hiding out in Mexico awaiting orders to invade the U.S. eh? Wow - that's an incredibly simple logistical achievement isn't it? Nope - no problems with that theory at all. Amazing how simple a task it is to move large numbers of forces from the other side of the world into Mexico, provide all of the food and supplies to take care of them, and least of all, hide them from the locals."

*****They are not hid from the locals. The Illegals are promised, word passed through the unions, that they will be given back their land as a carrot; as my sources tell me. This is a lie of course as they [Mexicans] will be double crossed. The setting up has been ongoing for some time. the fake war on drugs and shootouts in Mexico is the cover as the fake war on terror is the cover for the next 911 in chicago or on the east coast. This will justify martial law provide the distraction needed to start the crime wave generated by MS-13 and planned by CIA......UN troops are already here with vehicles staged in Texas...........for one.

However, I assure you it will fail in a certain period of time that they hadn't planned for..........

The ten regions were established to more effectively respond to crises. These are not regional governments, nor are they a means to bring about martial law or violate our civil rights. These regions were established to more effectively handle emergency situations. Instead of having 50 states trying to divy up their response assets, these assets are combined and placed under the direction of centralized management. This is something some of us know as limiting the number of chiefs (vs. "too many chiefs - not enough indians).

On the mexico gambit. Who exactly are your "sources" anyway? Other conspiracy theorists? And where in Texas are these U.N. troops staging?

Tgambill - I'm done. Your comments are too outlandish for my patience.

reply to post by tgambill


tgambill - again you are AWESOME - with all of your research and looking up information!!!

You are able to show all the others, the TRUTH!!!

Thank you, for continuing to provide REAL AND GOOD TRUTH AND INFORMATION to this thread.

Other's want to completely let the thread die and this information be lost and not in the fore front anymore....

I would bet people are nervous (seeming to be) that this is seeing the light of day!

Awesome AWESOME Postings -

"The ten regions were established to more effectively respond to crises."

******Didn't you read what I wrote? The ten regions will make up the North American Union. The ten regions were established to effectively respond to a crisis. OKAY...then answer me this, Mr. Government shill, How is it that the EXACT 10 regions were formed between 1969 to 1972 to support NIXON's Executive Order 11647, in preparation for the military coup they had planned to kick off in September 1972 Republican convention. Reference "Glasshouse Tapes", by Tackwood. Assassination of Agnew and then a series of explosions blamed on the leftist, but in reality a special unit in the LAPD was trained to get this going. Nixon even had coordinated with General Cushman on how to bring in 10,000 Marines to provide Secruity for the White House. Confirmed by Seymour Hersh, in the August 1983, edition of the Atlantic Montlhy stated:

"Schlesinger began to investigate what forces could be assembled at his order as a counterweight to the Marines, if Nixon--in a crisis--- chose to subvert the Constitution. The notion that Nixon could at any time resort to extraordinary steps to preserve his presidency was far more widespread in the government than the public perceived in the early days of Watergate or perceives today"

In 1971 it was General Cushman who as deputy director of the CIA, provided 'unauthorized" CIA support to the Illegal escapades of the Watergate "plumbers", Hunt and Liddy.

A person by the name of Robert Bartell, chairman of the anti-semitic [hint], Liberty Lobby, was over a secretive 1970 Liberty Lobby fundraiser for a project known as Operation SURVIVAL. Goal? "Finance a right wing military dictatorship for the U.S." "New World Order"; William Still

FEMA was founded in 1979 as an independent agency of the federal government. The agency reports directly to the President of the United States on their mission. Being;

" ...to reduce loss of life and property and protect our nation's critical infrastructure from all types of hazards through a comprehensive, risk-based, emergency management program of mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery."

Now, the EXACT same regions of the FEMA ops manuel matches the exact same regions that Nixon's administration has designed in 1969 to set up the U.S. following the planned Coup. After they failed, the Executive Order 11647 was revoked in 1979, ONLY TO REAPPEAR IN THE FEMA MANUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN 2009.

"These are not regional governments, nor are they a means to bring about martial law or violate our civil rights."

******The Patriot Act, John Warner National Defense Authorization Act, and over 1,000 letters have destroyed the Constitution as planned by Bush, Sr, Clinton, and Bush JR. only to be nailed by puppet Obama.

Well, you are busted!! EO 11647, by Nixon did set up a governor for each region, and NOT A REGIONAL ADMINISTRATOR. FACT that you cannot refute is that there was a plan to set up martial law with a plot to seize the white house by major General Smedley Butler by the same family names carried on by generation and planning.

The set up that is happening now but the first time in 1933 after they planned and orchestrated the Depression.

21 November 1933 – A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law.

Same letter by FDR 1933 - A letter written by FDR to Colonel House; "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."

July 1932 to November 1933 – Good timing for an actual planned Coup of the American Government by American big business by attempting to recruit a Major General Butler in the U.S.M.C. as the commander. This true to life plan involved a very colorful character named Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC. He was approached by certain wealthy capitalist from the United States to lead a revolution to overthrow the government and establish an American Fascist dictatorship. He was even tempted by this offer of $60,000. Three men, representing a body of planners, proposed to General Butler a plan to seize the White House with a private Army of 500,000 very disgruntled veterans, hold FDR prisoner, and get rid of him if he refused to serve as their puppet in a dictatorship they were going to control. Do a search on Butler and discover what he said about war and what he knew already. He asserted that the military really served the role as a collection agency for big bankers. The Senate munitions investigating committee confirmed this assertion in 1934. Major General Butler had won two Congressional Medals of Honor, and had been involved in many campaigns. This committee confirmed that; remember this word; “Standard Oil”, along with United Fruit, the sugar trust, the big banks, had been behind most of the operations he had lead. Do another search to find the McCormack-Dickstein Committee that investigated Butler’s charges. They confirmed his allegations. There are other folks that believe that Butler was maybe being set up, and that this incident was actually going to be the means that these big businessmen and FDR was going to use. Butler would lead this private Army to DC, this action would have resulted in FDR declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law and being supported by the American people. It was planned and would have succeeded, however, Butler, being a Marine in true form, revealed the plot and FDR had to be happy just being a President. The investigation went lame and just disappeared from sight. Among the powers that be, it was decided that the main way to recover and still achieve this goal was to involve the U.S. in a war. Note that in 1927 was the start of Standard Oil supporting Germany by refining the oil necessary to begin WWII.

NOTE: Replay or chance repeat of history in the St Petersburg massacre in 1905 or even better the 12 September 1917 when Civil War Breaks Out in Russia as Kornilov’s Army Marches on Petrograd to assume Power.

NOTE: Speculation from historians is that FDR knew ahead of time, would have committed active duty troops to stop the treason, and have a mass slaughter, St. Petersburg worked once, why not again. He would have then declared Martial law and a dictatorship. Plan fails, and is swept under the carpet. FDR settles for a war with Japan and entering the World war by setting up Pearl Harbor.

*******NOTE: The names, Prescott Bush, DuPonts, Rockefellers and many more. Supported by a congressional investigation swept under the carpet and irrefutable by you. If you attempt to refute this with denial, I will blast you with research you won't believe.


"These regions were established to more effectively handle emergency situations. Instead of having 50 states trying to divy up their response assets, these assets are combined and placed under the direction of centralized management. This is something some of us know as limiting the number of chiefs (vs. "too many chiefs - not enough indians)."

******wow, nice answer. Also technically correct.

FEMA Transition Binder

www.fas.org...

Link page 181 to this background.

President Nixon, on March 27, 1969, through the Government Reorganization Act divided the United States into 10 Regions. To further implement this Regional Governance over the U.S.A., President Nixon signed Executive Order 11647 and entered it in the Federal Register February 12, 1972. (Vol .37, No.30) Through the authority vested in him as President of the United States, President Nixon established a Federal Regional Council for each of the 10 standard regions. It stated that, the President shall designate one member of each Council as Chairman of the Council and such Chairman shall serve at the pleasure of the President. The fact that State borders have been destroyed to create 10 REGIONS instead of 50 Union States is something your government doesn't want you to know

www.barefootsworld.net...

Designed three years before the third planned military coup, 1969, signed 1972. The coup passed on to 1974, it ended, and the act was finally revoked in 1978.......

Executive Order 11647
Federal Regional Councils

Signed: February 10, 1972


"On the mexico gambit. Who exactly are your "sources" anyway? Other conspiracy theorists? And where in Texas are these U.N. troops staging?'

****Give my sources? ) lots and lots of research. By the way there is no conspiracy theory, its fact.

"Tgambill - I'm done. Your comments are too outlandish for my patience.'

****I'm not done, "outlandish for your patience"........nice face saver.

Questioningall, this information will eventually be lost when they kick off the next series of events. They are going to crash the internet and blame it on "White Al Qaeda" clean it up and then use it for their Propoganda and brainwashing to promote New World Order.

The truth is certainly mindboggling and its made this way. The catchy thing is some of those that "support" or "shill" for this conspiracy don't realize this. Its like a peeled onion as each layer is not aware of the truth held by the next. I researched a speech by Rockefeller to a large convention of international professionals. Long story short, HE LIED about the average life span of men in the 1940's as compared to now. It was to lie about the overpopulation hoax. The military commanders are duped into believing the stats and claims by "experts" that this is for the good of all mankind, the Masons are lead from step to step with the lure of secret knowledge, the Albanians in Kosovo were used with the same promise that Hitler gave them to create a Greater Albania, or Bali Kombetar movement was formed later to promote this as this became our promise to the Albanians. We work with the Albanians Terrorist and the Albania Mafia main controllers. I know this from first hand knowledge...no pun intended I shook hands with Ramush H. and Xhevet Haliti.....at the US Consulant when I lived there.

Kerry received campaign contributions for his campaign from mafia money and you can see then write the checks on the film "The Brooklyn Connection" with Holbrooke, General clark all attending..........lol......

Anyway, it won't be long now.............

The FIT is going to hit the Shan.....Those that were duped, thousands of senior scientists, Doctors, microbiologist, [300 murdered already anyway], senior military leaders will realize that they have been duped. Others are in on it and just as guilty as the Illuminati.



[edit on 15-2-2009 by tgambill]

Well, ok tgambill, I was just really curious about the nukes final destination, I appreciate what you are saying but the topic is getting off the rails, we really should have some closure on the final resting place of the weapons. So did anyone ever find an article about the nukes?? I can't.

reply to post by Pilot



No, it all became hush hush after the inital release of information.

Since, nobody (media) has even looked into where the missing nuke is.... and omg... forget about them being more deligent in keeping things safe.

Look at the trigger switch, that has disappeared, then look at all those computers that have disappeared.

Seems like "lots" of stuff - just disappears into thin air.

Interesting.

also, since so many here, have tried to derail the thread constantly, it really does seem, people don't like that we are discussing this issue, very much.




[edit on 15-2-2009 by questioningall]

destination? How about Iran and they got caught in much the same way Nixon got caught trying to set up martial law in the United States in before he got caught authorizing Watergate in June 1972. Hell, they were going to assassinate Agnew the VP using a specially trained unit within the LAPD followed by a series of bombings blamed on the Left Wing and then declare martial law, surround the White house with over 10,000 marines to confront the 82nd airborne.....as was being investigated by Schlesinger. You won't find that in the History books.



July 13, 2008

President George W Bush backs Israeli plan for strike on Iran

As Tehran tests new missiles, America believes only a show of force can deter President Ahmadinejad

Israel apparently had plans to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities

NOTE: If an article in the International Herald Tribune is correct, it appears that Israel attempted last year to purchase bunker-busting bombs from the US, to use against Iran's suspected nuclear facilities; however, the Bush White House was cool to the idea.

Here is a little from the article:

"President George W. Bush deflected a secret request by Israel last year for specialized bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex and told the Israelis that he had authorized new covert action intended to sabotage Iran's suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, according to senior American and foreign officials.

"White House officials never conclusively determined whether Israel had decided to go ahead with the strike before the United States protested, or whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel was trying to goad the White House into more decisive action before Bush left office. But the Bush administration was particularly alarmed by an Israeli request to fly over Iraq to reach Iran's major nuclear complex at Natanz, where the country's only known uranium enrichment plant is located.

"The White House denied that request outright, American officials said, and the Israelis backed off their plans, at least temporarily. But the tense exchanges also prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel and brief Israeli officials on new American efforts to subtly sabotage Iran's nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama."

And here is a link to the entire article:

www.iht.com...


so which is it????

U.S. rejected aid for Israeli raid on Iranian nuclear site?
Published: January 11, 2009

WASHINGTON: President George W. Bush deflected a secret request by Israel last year for specialized bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex and told the Israelis that he had authorized new covert action intended to sabotage Iran's suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, according to senior American and foreign officials.

White House officials never conclusively determined whether Israel had decided to go ahead with the strike before the United States protested, or whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel was trying to goad the White House into more decisive action before Bush left office. But the Bush administration was particularly alarmed by an Israeli request to fly over Iraq to reach Iran's major nuclear complex at Natanz, where the country's only known uranium enrichment plant is located.

The White House denied that request outright, American officials said, and the Israelis backed off their plans, at least temporarily. But the tense exchanges also prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel and brief Israeli officials on new American efforts to subtly sabotage Iran's nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama.
This account of the expanded American covert program and the Bush administration's efforts to dissuade Israel from an aerial attack on Iran emerged in interviews over the past 15 months with current and former American officials, outside experts, international nuclear inspectors and European and Israeli officials. None would speak on the record because of the great secrecy surrounding the intelligence developed on Iran.

Several details of the covert effort have been omitted from this account, at the request of senior United States intelligence and administration officials, to avoid harming continuing operations.

www.iht.com...

In the book Red Fog over America, Carr defines Nihilists as the following:

"The executioners used by all conspirators who aspire to control of a world dictatorship. History reveals these assassins are to be found in all classes of society. They try if possible to make the murders they commit look like accidents, suicides, or natural deaths". page VIII

One other definition....from Carr.

Black Book: A book in which the directors of the international conspirators kept a record of the private lives of influencial people together with a detailed report of their characteristics, faults and faillings. The information is used to "Persuade people into doing the bidding of the Conspirators either because of fear of exposure or for the sake of obtaining more luxury and material rewards." page IV

NOTE: this is the real deal of our history and how its controlled, hence, Watergate, The Skull and Bones ritual of confessing deviant sexual practices while lying in a coffin.....FBI, CIA, NSA snooping on Congressmen or whomever........to get them to vote or stop talking about certain issues...........

William G. Carr also wrote, "Pawns in the Game" which can be downloaded explains this nicely.

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by Pilot

 

No, it all became hush hush after the inital release of information.

Since, nobody (media) has even looked into where the missing nuke is.... and omg... forget about them being more deligent in keeping things safe.

Look at the trigger switch, that has disappeared, then look at all those computers that have disappeared.

Seems like "lots" of stuff - just disappears into thin air.

Interesting.

also, since so many here, have tried to derail the thread constantly, it really does seem, people don't like that we are discussing this issue, very much.




[edit on 15-2-2009 by questioningall]

It should have come out in the senate testimony is all I know. Not to reveal anything secret but put the issue to rest-they don't even bother lying and saying it's all under control?? Very strange.

"It should have come out in the senate testimony is all I know. Not to reveal anything secret but put the issue to rest-they don't even bother lying and saying it's all under control?? Very strange."

*****Switch and bait, smoke and mirrors. Few if any now actually remember the Minot to Barksdale flight and have no clue of the string of "accidents" or murders that preceded or followed the incident. It reminds me of an old southern saying......"let sleeping dogs lie"

Better to "let sleeping dogs lie" is to avoid restarting old conflicts.

Revisiting an old conflict is like waking a sleeping dog; we are better not to do it. Example: "I wanted to ask her what she thought of her ex-husband, but I figured it was better to let sleeping dogs lie."

Especially, IF in fact there were six and five are accounted for and one ends up in a suitcase..............in a US City in the near future....ouch.



[edit on 16-2-2009 by tgambill]

I found an interesting article today:

92 nukes have been lost at sea
link to article:
www.didyouknow.org...

A number of nuclear cases involve ships or submarines colliding at sea or, in some cases, submarine nuclear power units becoming unstable and the subs having to be abandoned. According to Greenpeace there have been more than 120 submarine accidents since 1956. The most recent incident, in August 2000, was the loss of the Russian nuclear submarine Kursk in the Barents Sea. The Kursk is the seventh nuclear submarine lost, five of them Russian, two American. There are 92 known cases of nuclear bombs lost at sea.

Did anyone see the video that showed the pylon, with the missiles attached, going through the security gate? If I recall, the pylon was marked with a white band around it - this white band was to mark the pylon as hot. Am I wrong? Anyone else see this? The pylon goes through the gate and the big deal was no one noticed the white band (?).

The W80 has a very complex arming system so to detonate one would be evidence of quite a conspiracy indeed. Unless, you just wanted the nuclear material for a dirty bomb. To be honest, I don't know what to make of the incident. At a minimum, it was quite the F-up of the year.

[edit on 19-2-2009 by ACEMANN]

reply to post by ACEMANN


I wonder...


As you say, arming a US nuke would require a lot of technical skill...


if you intend to use the weapon's designated, on-board system.




But what if you could Bypass the on-board system and cut-in an arming and detontation device of your own?



When you get down to "brass tacks", setting off a nuke is all about properly timing the HE (High Explosive) detonation sequence, right?

An examination of the weapon by sufficiently trained and knowledgeable technical experts could reveal the neccessary timing sequence to initiate detonation.

Then it's just a matter of "reverse-engineering" the arming detonator; a much easier task than breaking the encrypted fail-safes incorporated in the original detonator: afterall, we're dealing with the constraints of known physics in determining which charge should go first, rather than "what is the secret password".



By analogy: It's much easier to bring your Own matches to light the fuse than it is to crack the safe where they stored Their matches.