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Originally posted by applebiter
The most intensive scrutiny, security measures, and protocols ever brought to bear on any issue by the United States national security establishment has been directed towards the security of our nuclear arsenal, and even of the students, professors, engineers, and facilities dedicated to nuclear physics and research. Just accept that as a fact.
To imagine that a complement of nuclear weapons could accidentally be loaded onto a plane is just absurd right on the face of it. There are so many things that would have to fail in order to allow this that it isn't even possible. And that is by design, after all. It has been this way for decades.
Originally posted by applebiter
t must really sting those on the inside to know that top brass and top civilians are just as flawed and corruptible as other humans. Not gods. Not heroes. Just men and women.
Originally posted by applebiter
You're going to succeed in at least sowing enough doubt among people of less critical rigor and of greater tendency towards denial. That's fine. The rest of us know better. And we are watching.
Originally posted by applebiter
---- By the way, what does that last acronym stand for?
Originally posted by applebiter
---- Also, I just noticed your signature:
Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by men better than they.
Better? Have you ever read about the "right wing authoritarian personality type"? It isn't necessarily limited to people on the right wing of politics. It's more of a measure of insecurities so deeply rooted in the psyche, that the personality clings to rigid hierarchical structures and is desperate to understand its "rank" in the "order". It will do what ever it is told to do by a perceived authority, for its own sense of morality and worth is entirely undeveloped; it seeks approval from its peers and superiors, and this is its moral compass.
Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by Nichiren
Well basically as I said before the missiles were already hot. They already had the warheads in them. The warheads were supposed to be taken out but never were. The hot missiles to be decommissioned should be taken to a building and the warheads removed. They were taken but not removed because an error caused the team to believe they were already cold without nuclear payloads inside. That is when the complacency set in
-Kyo
Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by Nichiren
Well basically as I said before the missiles were already hot. They already had the warheads in them. The warheads were supposed to be taken out but never were. The hot missiles to be decommissioned should be taken to a building and the warheads removed. They were taken but not removed because an error caused the team to believe they were already cold without nuclear payloads inside. That is when the complacency set in
-Kyo
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. You are saying that the crew responsible for the hot warheads basically "abandoned" them? Who didn't take out the hot warheads? One person, two or three? I thought with hot nukes there is always the military police involved as well?
by KyoZero
Yes six missiles were all on the same pylon but your quantity is way off. This is six out of a hell of alot more. You cannot put conventional weapons and nuclear on a pylon together. At the same time you cannot put cold and hot weapons together.
All conventional weapons are not stored in the same area as nukes. In fact on Minot, the conventional bombs are near a mile away.
Originally posted by KyoZero
There is one set of people who will take the heads out. The rest is another set of people who should have verified they are gone.
Originally posted by KyoZero
I apologize for the wait...if you believe one thing believe this...
my wife and I have food poisoning...hence my delay in posting...thanks for your patience
Originally posted by Nichiren
Originally posted by KyoZero
There is one set of people who will take the heads out. The rest is another set of people who should have verified they are gone.
First of all: get well!
Wow, too many folks asleep at the wheel. I don't buy that for one second.
The first publication that leaked the story was the Military Times that got a tip from the inside. That is highly unusual!
[edit on 11-2-2009 by Nichiren]
Originally posted by KyoZero
You've been a delight to talk to on the other hand. So I want to ask this. It sounds from your one post like you think the complacency took place like I explained but it was certainly helped along. I don't see that as unreasonable. Although I may not agree there is a logical part of me that says, while my side may be true, it may be something else that caused this effect to begin.
So I would like to ask what you think are possibilities that started it and I guarantee here and now that I will treat it with every bit of respect you've shown me. I am actually genuinely interested.
Fire away
-Kyo