Is it time to ditch the bible?

Originally posted by ipsedixit
I haven't read any of this thread but I had to throw in my two cents worth, free of charge.

The Bible, the Koran, the Talmud, and undoubtedly many other old religious books need to be treated more as writings of a bygone age, like Huckleberry Finn. They contain both wisdom and history and folly too. The God who created the universe (if he/she/it exists) didn't write those books. They were written by men and carry the marks of man's imperfection and marks of his greatness throughout.

Star for you my friend perfect explaination of my thoughts.

Why do others put my thoughts into words better than i can. LoL i should of done more school.

Originally posted by theflashor

any responders?


Oh yes sir, I am with you all the way. You say it so much better than me.

Worthy of a star.

Why does god not mention the stars, universe? Because when man was compiling the book, he knew nothing of it, hell he thought / thinks heaven is above. Sure, if you go up there without suitable protection, you will be 'up in the heavens' for eternity. lol.

Man was not so clever back then, which is why there is no mention of it.
To be honest, it adds more to the argument, that the whole thing is a farce, created to control people and maintain order by injecting fear into a people.

Why is there no mention of man going to the moon, or exploring the universe? Easy, 'they' didn't think of that, back then that would have been deemed impossible, and you would (probably) have been known as 'satan' for even suggesting it. I'm sorry I don't accept he (god) created the whole thing, and I hope the guys at the LHC will come up with some good answers which will infuriate 'believers'.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.



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Edit to fix grammer.

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I think we should ditch ll religion and make one big unified religion maybe..

reply to post by username371


Agree, too many contradictions and finger pointing.

Man, it is responsible for people dying (wars).

Spose now I will be told that's how god keeps tabs on the ever increasing population.

I won't accept that that was then and this is now, if that is the case, then it's nothing but a history book, and I don't have a problem with that.

The falling away from faith is part of the agenda of the committee of 300.
Don't forget who owns and runs the media and shows you only what they want you to see. They are also responsible for allowing these "prosperity preachers" to run amok. They will be judged and they will lose everything that they have gained through deciet. They have caused many to stumble because they do not know God. They are ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing.

2 Thessalonians 2,3
... Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition ...
His time is coming soon

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
The new age movement was created for this purpose. To draw people away from God and to demoralize society.
Read the agenda of the committee of 300.

Understand that in the old testament people had to live by the law. They did not have the commandments of God written on their hearts as do those who now follow Jesus.
Most people don't realize that there is the Holy Spirit. That upon repentance will come and be with you and guide you into all truth.

Most people don't realize that they are being manipulated into hating God. That in germany now sharing your faith in Christ is a hate crime and punishable by 3 years in prison.

Who is trying to silence Gods people and why? Ask yourself that. Why such a concerted effort.

2 Thessalonians 2;7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

As more and more remove themselves from faith in God society will become worse and worse. Prayer and faith are the staying power that is currently holding back a great deal of evil that will soon come upon the earth.

If you do not see the agenda then you don't see all the pieces. People are being set up for the fall while they are being told that their power is within themselves. They will unfortunately find out that that is not so, not at all.

reply to post by nasa sec-z 31



I think we should ditch ll religion and make one big unified religion maybe..

That is currently being attempted by the vatican. This is a prophecy concerning the end times. A one world religion, a one world government.
Everything they are doing is setting the stage so that you will desire just that.

reply to post by username371

To me, it doesn't seem like a very good rulebook, since there are so many contradictions:

ON THE SABBATH DAY
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." -- Exodus 20:8

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -- Romans 14:5

God is no better than Allah. Nor could I say which is the worse. The excessively devout followers of both have killed millions of innocent people over the years. And seem to be quite proud of it. Half the pulpits in America - my estimate - spew forth a ‘Hate Muslim’ theology. They mock the Muslim vision of Heaven. Only they - Christens of one slant - have the TRUE word from God. Like John Smith? William Miller? And etc. The shepple are being worked up to engage in a holy war!

True Believers are in total denial. They have put themselves into a self induced trance much similar to the drug induced trips the old Dr. Timothy Leary proposed on the '___' Airlines. They will believe anything if it is ridiculous enough. Yet the hierarchal head of the largest denomination, the Pope, is searching about with apparent great earnestness for TWO miracles done by Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul 2. And this 2009 and not 1009.

The first miracle they conjured for M/T turned out to have been faked by two nuns in the order she had founded. So far I have not heard what miracle JP2 will be credited with. I don't know all that much about either of them, but if B16 thinks they need a special place amongst the dead, the it is his church so let him announce that fact, place M/T and JP2 into their already somewhat overcrowded pantheon of gods and be done with it. Hardly anyone over 16 believes that tripe anyway. And for sure it will have no effect on anything but the operators of the M/T and JP2 shrines.

One thing is for sure on JP2, I have heard him pray for peace every Christmas for his entire papacy, but GOD heard him not. For true believers that is nothing to worry about. God still turns wine into blood every Sunday and that is one heck of a miracle!

It’s basically looks hopeless. There is a certain mind-set that wants so much to be part of the BIG SHOW they will do anything including give up their own intellectual integrity. Groupies we call them at a rock concert.

It is my belief that you will see the incarceration, persecution and execution of Christians throughout the western world in the very near future. This is prophecy and I see it coming to fruition before my eyes.

reply to post by unity1

It is my belief that you will see the incarceration, persecution and execution of Christians throughout the western world in the very near future. This is prophecy and I see it coming to fruition before my eyes.

I don’t understand. I know of nothing at all that would point towards that kind of thing happening now or ever. In a court of law, circumstantial evidence is sufficient for a conviction. However there are rules about circumstantial evidence. 1) More than one piece is required. 2) It must all point in the same direction. 3) It must answer the necessary questions about any crime. Who died. How he died. If by human agency, how was it accomplished. What links the accused to the cause of the death of the deceased. 4) The witnesses must be credible. If the evidence convinces a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, it is good enough.

I said a lot but I wanted to know why you feel that way?


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Just as propaganda was used in order to invade iraq and afghanistan and to instill hatred in the american people towards the muslims it will be used against christians in the not too distant future.
They have used apostate evangelicals and religious leaders to further their cause and lead christians on a path of hatred towards muslims and turn it into a "holy war"

Isaiah 30:1
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

If you examine the agenda of the Committee of 300. These are the illuminati. The ones who have taken the world in this chaotic direction through propaganda via the media, politics and religion.

www.apfn.org...

15. To export "religious liberation" ideas around the world so as to undermine all existing religions, but more especially the Christian religion.

part of their agenda is to wipe out Christianity and to do that you must remove christians in some way. Hence the hate crimes bill which will make it a crime for christians to share their faith. Real christians will not shrink for sharing their faith in Jesus. The vatican is hard at work trying to show the world that we must all come together as one to create peace on earth. Their agenda does not include Christ.

Understand too that the vatican, the u.s. government and the illuminati worked together to create all of this religious instability for the purpose of creating this coming world religion.
They secretly created the problem and will offer the solution.
They have done it many times. They create a virus for instance and then create a vaccine. I don't know why people still don't see this.

It is my belief that they will try to create this one world religion and then accuse the christians for standing in the way of it. People naturally will desire peace after all of the chaos the illuminati have created. Hence they will blame christians for standing in the way of that peace and encourage the people to hate or blame them for it.
It's happened many times throughout history and it will happen again in these "last days".

Matthew 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Because of the affliction that many are suffering economically, spiritually etc. they will be encouraged to turn their aggression on someone because they have to blame someone for the position they are in. People do that.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Guillotines at fema camps
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

U.N. to make christians criminals
www.worldnetdaily.com...
Prophecy is being fulfilled

Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by username371

 

One thing is for sure on JP2, I have heard him pray for peace every Christmas for his entire papacy, but GOD heard him not. For true believers that is nothing to worry about. God still turns wine into blood every Sunday and that is one heck of a miracle!

It’s basically looks hopeless. There is a certain mind-set that wants so much to be part of the BIG SHOW they will do anything including give up their own intellectual integrity. Groupies we call them at a rock concert.

You are right, he deffo worked his socks off for the church and never stopped. I will give him credit for that, but look where it got him. Look where it got previous 'holy fathers'? To top that, when you saw JP2 giving his christmas mass, how many people in the churches the world over 'prayed for peace'. The big man never listened. IMO there is no big man.

Why did my mothers entire family (her brothers and sisters) all die of Alzheimers? They were all DEVOUT catholics, and that's the thanks you get? My mother married my father who was protestant, so I suppose she was turned away from the big gates because her husband didn't 'believe' and all her offspring binned their religion after about 16 years of brainwashing.

I CAN accept they all died because of a gene in the families DNA pool.
However, if there is a god, he would NEVER have inflicted disease on his DEVOUT followers (my mom and her bro and sisters), but no, they all died a slow, painfull death. When I say painfull, I mean it was painfull for the entire family (all the offspring) to witness such. Next you will tell me her ENTIRE family must have been real bad in their day. Quite the opposite.

Whoever invented god is not very clever IMO, I will stick with what I can see wth my eyes, and judge accordingly, and I am doing so well without the book. Guess I'm just one of the lucky ones eh? 19th / 20th century inventors are so much more clever in comparison.

Don't hit me up with quotes please, for I have seen the light, for I AM the light.

reply to post by Thistled


The Bible mentions stars


Genesis 22:17
Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

reply to post by Thistled

Why did my mothers entire family (her brothers and sisters) all die of Alzheimers? They were all DEVOUT catholics, and that's the thanks you get? My mother married my father who was protestant, so I suppose she was turned away from the big gates because her husband didn't 'believe' and all her offspring binned their religion after about 16 years of brainwashing.

Let's give credit where credit is due shall we?

Another illuminati program

Fluoride and alzheimers
www.whale.to...

Toxic Secrets: Fluoride and the A-Bomb Program
www.illuminati-news.com...

Your family may have suffered and for that I am sorry but God did not cause it. The ultimate goal of every christian is not in this world but the next. Be assured that if they were christians they will have their reward in heaven regardless of what they suffered at the hands of this evil entity we call the nwo.

The catholic church is a criminal organization that are in league with the illuminati. Regardless, that does not interfere with your families faith in God. It is their hearts God sees.

Psalm 148
You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I had put you in the holy height of God... YOU WALKED UP AND DOWN IN THE MIDST OF THE STONES OF FIRE... You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until iniquity was found in you.

Note: "Stones of fire" is an ancient term for planets. They were called "stones" for their size/shape and look to be on "fire" because they are brigh

If we ditched the Bible we will never find out the hidden secrets.

Originally posted by unity1
reply to post by Thistled

 

Your family may have suffered and for that I am sorry but God did not cause it. The ultimate goal of every christian is not in this world but the next. Be assured that if they were christians they will have their reward in heaven regardless of what they suffered at the hands of this evil entity we call the nwo.

Thanks for replying unity. They were all Catholics.

So what do say for the 100,000's who have died in Africa because of famine? Suppose they were sinners, or the US star wars program satellite went a bit loopy?

We have to remember
God is not the author of sin, satan is and rules the elite powers of this world.

If you look at the history of the illuminati, blood sacrifice, satan worship etc. and look at the power they have over the earth you have to see where that power had to have come from. They own just about everything on the planet.

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.


ILLUMINATI THE PLAN
www.scoreboard-canada.com...
7. To bring about depopulation of large cities according to the trial run carried out by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. It is interesting to note that Pol Pot's genocidal plans were drawn up in the US by one of the Club of Rome's research foundations, and overseen by Thomas Enders, a high-ranking State Department official. It is also interesting that the committee is currently seeking to reinstate the Pol Pot butchers in Cambodia.

9. To cause. by means of limited wars in the advanced countries, by means of starvation and diseases in the Third World countries, the death of three billion people by the year 2050, people they call "useless eaters". The Committee of 300 (Illuminati) commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title "Global 2000 Report" and was accepted and approved for action by former President James Earl Carter, and Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of States, for and on behalf of the US Government. Under the terms of the Global 2000 Report, the population of the US is to be reduced by 100 million by the year of 2050.

Luke 12:7
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

1 John 4: 19;21
19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Roman 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

That we are alone or that we are not, everyone of us, loved by God is a lie. God seeks after us continually, no matter where we are

www.catastrophism.com...*

I am sad that I am not smart enough to put all the information recorded in ancient texts into a coherent picture of how we came to be on this planet, but I have read them and researched them, and I believe if we study them they hold the key.
www.megaliths.net...

Standing Stones
[Standing Stones]

At the high place of Gezer, ten stones stand in tribute to a long-forgotten event. These gigantic stones, some more than twenty feet tall, give a glimpse into a custom that was popular thousands of years ago.

Long before the Israelites entered Canaan, pagans in the Middle East erected sacred stones to honor their gods, to declare covenants and treaties between cities, or to honor an important event that could only be explained by the supernatural. Any traveler who saw these stones would know that something significant had happened in that place.

The Hebrew word translated ?standing stones? is massebah and means ?to set up.? To honor their covenant with God, the Israelites also set up standing stones as a reminder of God?s supernatural acts on their behalf. The Bible records several of these significant events:

www.followtherabbi.com...

So who was this god/king/scribe? that was worshiped as divine.

- Jacob set up stone pillars at Bethel in order to remember his powerful dream, in which God reaffirmed his covenant with him (Gen. 28:18—21, 35:14—15).
- After receiving the Ten Commandments and other laws, Moses built twelve standing stones at the foot of Mount Sinai (Ex. 24:2—4).
- The Israelites erected standing stones to remember their miraculous crossing of the Jordan River (Josh. 4:2—3, 8—9).
- Joshua built another standing stone when the covenant was renewed at Shechem (Josh. 24:27).

Stop trashing the Bible as worthless, it is an invaluable tool.

Originally posted by nasa sec-z 31
I think we should ditch ll religion and make one big unified religion maybe..

A statement like that will only strengthen Christian beliefs because that is what the AntiChrist is going to do.

Man apologies for this, but do you think it would be possible to contribute to this post WITHOUT quoting the bible? (no particular individual)

Looking through these posts, and this topic is turning into the bible. !!

Is it possible to put your case in your own words? I see quite a few are capable of doing this. I think someone said earlier, "take what you want / need from the bible then move on" or words to that effect.

When people cry christians as "bible thumpers" I can see why, although not all are like that.

Forgive me, but would it be bad of me to ask people to post on this topic without using quotes from the bible?

The last time I suggested a subtle hint at this, the response was with a quote.
That just looks like someone who is losing an argument.