Jordan Maxwell - Shattering discovery?

This is one of the most ridiculous rants I have heard in some time. Obama messiah? give me a break.

The "Maoist, Marxist art work" the host refers to is just a crappy simulation made by an artist named Shephard Fairey. Trendy art, no more no less.

The convoluted esoteric crap that this guy is spewing is laughable.

No question that we are in the midst of a big change. But thinly veiled xenophobia and retarded, paranoid conspiracy theories are laughable.

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Originally posted by Shakesbeer

I have a bunch of files on my computer and need time to explain it all out so that you can see this "explosive" information...but of course buy my book and wait for the movie first!

FLASH: Aging New Age snake oil salesman finds the Key to the Universe!

In the past, before instant mass communication like the Internet, you could scam people easily because they had no easy way to check the history or credentials of someone in front of them offering a cure-all, riches, salvation, The Real Truth.

Now we have a way to examine the goods and their source more.

Amazingly and sadly, even when you present some people with the reality behind what they're being conned into, they choose to buy it anyway.


Jordan Maxwell must be furiously going through H.P. Lovecraft stories looking for buzzwords and names for his DVD that will be produced with money from all those advance orders.

The guy looks underfed. Send him $19.95 so he can save all humanity.


Mike F

I listened to the entire segment with Maxwell but I'm confused, he says that a being will return soon, but he also says that the few remaining humans will be turned into cyborgs. Are these two different possibilities, or is he saying that both will happen?

If he is saying both will happen, why is it necessary to turn humans into cyborgs? Is the being that is returning a cyborg?

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has anyone thought about the possibility that the sighn of the rising sun might be NIBIRU? they say it will look like a second sun in the sky and the entities that are coming could be the aliens on that planet or one of their moons or what ever is acompanying it. it also takes us back to ancient egypt. think about it.

So are the transformers really coming or is this all just hype for the movie?
Seriously has anyone else noticed the religous symbolism is the old transformers cartoons and in the movie, is that all to condition us to the arrival of optimus prime aka Enki? david icke was close, someone should warn him they dont turn into reptiles, they turn into cars!

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OhZone,

I feel sorry for you because you are lost in an ocean of delusions and
shallowness. You claim that "...we do not have a solid background of the
base info..." and that you have been .."into this sort of thing for 60 years."
Ha, heh heh.

Apparently your solid background is as solid as a pool of quicksand dung.
I'll prove it.

You said, "Religion destroys true spirituality by demonizing the flesh, it's needs and desires."
While that may be true of Christianity, you did not say
Christianity, you said religion. In the religion of Vajrayana Buddhism also
known as Tantra-sex is part of spiritual practice and the practitioner is
taught to see the woman as a Deity and yab/yum as sacred. Therefore
your generalization is just plain wrong. Google the yogi named Drukpa
Kunley-he even wore his rosary/mala around his cock and spent long
pleasurable hours in union with the nether mandalas of young woman.

And you say, "Satan is the good guy." This tells me like Jordan Maxwell
you are spiritually illiterate and are unable to interpret the symbolic nature
of Satan. Satan has cloven hooves, a tail, horns on his head -all this is obviously symbolic of animals. And this is symbolic of consciousness being reborn in, or dwelling in lower realms such as the animal realm meaning that
people who have poisonous minds of hate and anger (red equals anger and Satan is red) de-evolve into animals or insect-like behavior. It's amazing to me that Jordan Maxwell who tries to make a career out of interpreting religious symbols never even came close to understanding this one.

Another laughable shallow "insight" you say is, "Christians do not realize that they too worship the Sun. They however call it the Son." Talk about clueless. Hello, Jesus did not speak English and the word for sun and son
are not the same in almost every language except English. Besides even if it was the same it's a kindergarten level observation. When Jesus is talking about God, he is talking about non-duality-or that the oneness of everything equals God. Therefore Jesus is speaking about the sun, the moon, all the planets, all the galaxies and everything in them including the space. Unless you are in kindergarten he is not talking about an old dude with a long white beard who hangs out in cloudville. Then you go onto say, "The problem however is that they are worshipping the dark side of the sun." Are you kidding me??? Hello, the sun is a type G star. The sun is a sphere that shines in all it's 360 degree -3 dimensionality. The sun doesn't have a dark side! Any 6th grader knows that.
Next time before you start pointing fingers at others and calling them clueless first go to the mirror and spend a long time looking at the real meaning of clueless.

sounds like BS, if he'd found something so incredibly explosive, why not spill the beans then and there instead of just dick teasing, ya know...help out? Sounds too much like he's waiting to figure out how to turn a buck on some quack theory he's concocted, than genuinely concern himself with helping anyone with any useful information.

Plus, it's on Alex Jones for pete's sake...that guys a huge tool.

/fixed a spelling error/

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The rising sun? So what. Obviously anyone with a half a mind understands the sun symbolizes light that we need to survive. It comes after darkness, which is cold, that is the opposite of what is needed to survive and warm the planet. It's only natural the rising sun would be a sign of hope. For the warmth on the horizon. The warmth that will save us. Regardless of any secret code it would be a poetic symbol.

I stopped listening to this interview when it became the same thing repeated and repeated for 20 minutes.

Like anyone else, some of his material is right, some is wrong. I appreciate the basic symbolic evidence he presents. Like anyone who tries to make a living at this he tends to compromise himself at times. Clearly he is disturbed and perhaps we are seeing his emotional nature live. What surprises me is that he seems to only now come to the realization that the basic underlying conspiracy is likely very old. I would think, just looking at the "Divine Ruler" scam being played out in Egypt and Rome would tend to indicate a long standing ruse. Likely all the western social religions are managed by the same hierarchy. The scam seem to move between divine spiritual leader and divine political leader. Perhaps he's hinting that the cycle of divine political leader is returning? Pharaohs, Caesars and now Presidents? It's funny that Mr. Maxwell would have trouble getting a good presentation put together. The interview does kind of play like a fund raiser.

Originally posted by LeTan
Whatever the hell it is, it MIGHT be what these FEMA camps are for. Even so, i'd rather take my chances. Every day it gets more exciting to be alive during these times.

Yea, I know. Starting get this wierd feeling...
All the Chemtrails (havent seen the sun for 2 weeks here) and the increas of ufo's, fireballs,activity at yellowstone and earthquakes..

The rumour is that it is supposed to open up in 2009 and 2010 and the governments are going under ground in 2011 at the latest..

So what is up Folks ! ????

Originally posted by NativeAmerican
The rising sun? So what. Obviously anyone with a half a mind understands the sun symbolizes light that we need to survive. It comes after darkness, which is cold, that is the opposite of what is needed to survive and warm the planet. It's only natural the rising sun would be a sign of hope. For the warmth on the horizon. The warmth that will save us. Regardless of any secret code it would be a poetic symbol.

I stopped listening to this interview when it became the same thing repeated and repeated for 20 minutes.

That would defenitely depend. For some animals and species, the Sun is the direct opposite and is "negativity", whilst the night and darkness to them is the "life". It is too generalizing to say that "The Sun is the life and darkness is bad", yada yada.

Maybe the "Warmth" actually will destroy, "this time"?

In my opinion, Jordan Maxwell is a pathetic paranoid. I'm not even saying that none of what he says has any merit -- he might well have stumbled over some real gold nuggets -- but many of his assertions, like where the meanings of certain words come from, are total nonsense (see the sun/son BS that another poster here already debunked).

The first few times, when I heard him on C2C AM, I was incredibly fascinated by him and his information. I guess part of my fascination was that he said he had lost his wife in his search for truth and everything he had, and that he heard during an interrupted C2C connection people on the line talking about him (saying "We need to take care of this guy" and so on). In other words, if he sacrificed all that AND was the object of government surveillance, there had to be truth in his words. In one of the last shows, he had also said that he had no money and lived together with his brother in a tiny apartment or some such. He also said that other people had been stealing his work, without giving him any credit, and so forth. A bit whiny, I thought, but maybe justified if he went through so much.

But then I watched several JM videos on Google and noticed that even years and years ago, he was having the very same complaints: people were stealing his work -- one of the named was David Icke, whom, JM bitterly complained, he had spent his own money on to bring over to the US... basically implying that he gave Icke his "big break" in the US. In that old video, he was whining for five minutes or more how horrible his life was and that other people were trying to exploit him left and right.

[I think the video was "JM exposes the Illuminati," not sure.]

Anyway, after that I just couldn't respect the man anymore. I've known people like this back in the day, who always thought everyone was out to get them and nothing was ever their own fault. Add to that his line of work, and he makes the greatest paranoia sufferer in the world... his notions perpetually supported by his "disciples."

Aside from this personality assessment, I also found some very, very obvious flaws in his assertions, e.g. as one poster here already said, the sun/son thing that only works in English and therefore is pure nonsense. He had other, very obvious blunders like that... I'm wondering, if he spent 48 years on this stuff, shouldn't he have had plenty of time to thoroughly research where certain words REALLY come from? So either he's lying or he just did a crappy research # and only sees what he wants to see.

What also didn't sit well with me (and I am NOT a Christian!) was how he tried to bash Jesus and instead promote Lucifer as the one true God. He even says that millions of people keep praying to Jesus and things get worse and worse... what does that tell you? he says. Well, it tells me that if HE prays to Lucifer, it didn't work very well either. Looking at his -- as he himself says -- horrible life, living in abject poverty and misery, doesn't look to me like Mr. Lucifer is responding to prayers very well.

He also says, "What goes around comes around," but obviously fails to look at his own life as proof for that and do some thinking...

I don't necessarily think that he's a liar. I think he's a sick man who might have some nuggets of truth in the dung heap of BS he's touting. He probably believes every word he says. I also find him extremely annoying; I hate whiners, and the way he was putting Alex Jones on the spot, trying to sell him his "movie" ON THE AIR, where he knew Alex couldn't say no without losing his face, was just the sh*****est and most pathetic thing I've ever seen.



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I agree. Others may not but I know what you are saying and I say it after spending years piecing various bits of the puzzle together so it isn't some offhand opinion, though granted it is just an opinion.

Have you seen my thread as I think I know who they are sending :

Maitreya, One World Religion, 2012, ETs

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by NativeAmerican
The rising sun? So what. Obviously anyone with a half a mind understands the sun symbolizes light that we need to survive. It comes after darkness, which is cold, that is the opposite of what is needed to survive and warm the planet. It's only natural the rising sun would be a sign of hope. For the warmth on the horizon. The warmth that will save us. Regardless of any secret code it would be a poetic symbol.

I stopped listening to this interview when it became the same thing repeated and repeated for 20 minutes.

That would defenitely depend. For some animals and species, the Sun is the direct opposite and is "negativity", whilst the night and darkness to them is the "life". It is too generalizing to say that "The Sun is the life and darkness is bad", yada yada.

Maybe the "Warmth" actually will destroy, "this time"?

"yada, yada"?

For which animals is the sun a negative? Nocturnal animals rely on the suns energy to make their food which they enjoy at nighttime. The sun makes things that we eat grow. It is a natural and obvious symbol of hope as the Nightchild poster says. I recommend, and I should put this in my signature:

Rulers of Evil by F. Tupper Saussey.

He goes into all this sun symbolism from ancient times up till the present. It should be required reading for ATSers. Highly recommended!

How in the world this thread has 52 stars is beyond me. This place needs and influx of critical thinking.

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I have a number of telescopes and ccd cameras. Point me towards Niburu and I'll be happy to video it or take as many photos of it as you guys want. Should be simple enough to settle

I don't like the fact that he was trying to get Alex Jones to make him a DVD.
I mean if you have this information and these "beings" are coming back in the very near future. Lay it out for free.

I'm sure being remembered as the one who exposed the great lie for the rest of time, is better than all the wealth of our world.
So in my book he is just wasting our time, while we should be out researching and preparing for what is about to come.

BUT,

The rising sun symbol is a very prominent in our history. As are others.

Do we just live in a world with no imagination or is there something else to all these symbols the world over.

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One of the most delightful of the buildings designed by Sir William Chambers to adorn the “botanic” gardens of Princess Augusta was the Temple of the Rising Sun.

This was built in 1761 and was more richly decorated than the other buildings. In full Corinthian style it was enriched on the outside with a finely moulded frieze and has an internal frieze with a sunburst and the signs of the zodiac.

Alongside it and, as it happened, too close;was planted a cedar of Lebanon and in a great storm in March 1916 this tree was blown over into the temple which was completely destroyed.

Are guys #$$%##$% kidding me?! I am 16 minutes into this inane drivel -- 16 minutes of my life I will never get back, and I'm bitter -- and the Maxwell dude just keeps muttering the same thing over and over.

L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y.

He's studied an image for 40 years...

If only we could know what it means...

This image he has studied for 40 years....

That's ALL HE SAYS, OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Then Jones keeps putting words (words it seems Maxwell is forgetting to say, he seems a little dim witted) like:

"it is the rising sun right?" "the illuminati/nwo worship a brown man, right?" "Obama is brown".

Then the dullard tells Jones, yes that's exactly right, but he Maxwell/the dullard "could never have said it such using good language"

That much I believe!

The rising sun is an obvious symbol of astrotheology quite simply because it's the biggest brightest most imporatantest thing in the sky.

It's natural that throughout history myriads of organizations, both positive and negative on the spectrum of things, have used such obvious symbology. Which is why I have a hard time associating something as inherently positive and nuclear to life on earth as the sun with anything negative, although I don't really have a problem with believing evil people exploit positive symbology for self serving purposes (cue Obama).

Maxwell's ramblings need some more substance. Richard C. Hoagland has a saying: "The lie is dfferent at every level". And in this spirit I am starting to see people like Maxwell and Tsarion as elitist serfs, positioning themselves to try and capture people breaking out of control mechanisms, ie, breaking out of fear based memetics. Their role seems to me to subtly introduce more fear based, more negative frequencies, more noise, into the culture to prevent the uplifting of human consciousness through positive vibrations, through loving thoughts.

Thoughts are important, they are real things, they are lower down the fractal than even our bodies, so they are very relevant to how reality plays out. Positive loving people atract positive loving events, negative people atract negative events. This might seem hard to believe, but as someone who was once negative and who is now becoming more and more positive I assure you the difference is great and the empowerment (not of others but of yourself and your own fixture into nature) is staggering.

To me this is what the whole game comes down to, fear and love. People that seek out love empower themselves and come under positive influences, while people that get into fear stagnate and put themselves under the influence of a series of evil characters that, for the lack of a formal structure, we can call the New World Order. Which is neither new nor order, it's just the spawn of the priest casts of yore, attempting to keep control of the minds of people so they can put themselves in the wallets of said people.

Even low frequency people, like Maxwell, Tsarion, Jones, are usefull for the dissemination of knowledge, and I am sure there is interesting stuff there, but if you really want to take the most out of them, imho, you must realise that while there is a dark and a light side to reality, there is also a natural progression from the former to the latter if one is to achieve happiness and fulfillment.

This is my take on this. Take it for what it's worth.

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I think I know the symbol he is referring too ... its the circle with the cross. and its rising again, but what it represents ... I dont know ... coming of an Entity .... Satan .... ALeins ... both .... I keep feeling like we are on the menu ... were pigs in staw houses instead of deep underground bases like the leadership has...