No Flight 93 Passengers on 9/11 Compensation List; UA 9/11 Planes Still Flying

reply to post by Darthorious


Don't forget about the crew!!!!! I'm sure they had SSNs!!!

The 9/11 fund was only for those in new york city, they had a completly differnt fund for the passengers of flight 93.. at least that
is what I read and heard on the news during the time of the terroist attack on the usa.

Originally posted by LoneWeasel
Just want to clarify something: I went on the FAA website and searched their records for one of the serial numbers mentioned (28142).

It came up with five different aircraft:

List here

Doesn't that mean the serial number is not quite the unique identifier that's being suggested? And if that's the case, would that not mean that it's entirely possible the aircraft from 9/11 is different to the aircraft listed here?

LW

[edit on 30-1-2009 by LoneWeasel]

Serial numbers have been released? I thought that NONE of the parts have ever been released that could potentially link any of the parts to the aircraft supposedly used in the attacks (because they were all confiscated by the FBI). Not to mention the video footage of the pentagon attack that was confiscated by the FBI and has yet to come public.

To my knowledge, it has never been proven that any "aircraft wreckage" left over by those aircraft even came from the planes they supposedly came from. Any wreckage with identifiable etchings/markings that could potentially link some kind of wreckage to a specific aircraft has never been publicly released. And the reason why that information is being with-held hasn't been released either.... Nobody knows why it is all still secret information.. Hence, the rampant claims of conspiracy and coverup which have continued. Even if these really were legitimate terrorist attacks, the way with which this entire ordeal was handled just seems to always raise more questions than answers... And people want to know why.

-ChriS

Originally posted by BlasteR
To my knowledge, it has never been proven that any "aircraft wreckage" left over by those aircraft even came from the planes they supposedly came from. Any wreckage with identifiable etchings/markings that could potentially link some kind of wreckage to a specific aircraft has never been publicly released. And the reason why that information is being with-held hasn't been released either.... Nobody knows why it is all still secret information..

The reason is that it's all top-secret, unreleasable information that will surely hurt national security if it's released.

It's also why all Pentagon CCTV security camera footage has been confiscated and can't be released.

If they showed it to you, they'd have to kill you.

my grandma says fema blew up the world trade center, and i should call the police because people dieing in airplanes because of sand 'n-word's is not fair./

reply to post by LoneWeasel
Boeing manufactured only one of the five aircraft listed via the link. Bell, Piper, Northwing, and Cessna manufactured the others. Therefore serial number was a useful identifier in that list, given the manufacturer.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


That's really my point though. If we were really told about everything that happened (as we are supposed to believe), why would the aircraft debris and that video footage of the pentagon attack be of such critical importance to national security that they wouldn't be released? The government sais it has nothing to hide about 9/11 right? Then why all the secrecy?

The speculation and conspiracy theories abound because of such unexplained secrecy.. If the gov. wanted to set the record straight about what really happened they would've released such information and evidence by now.. They wouldn't keep that stuff secret/classified unless there was something to hide from the public. We are not all ignorant to common sense here (especially not at ATS). We are not being told the whole story and the only plausible reason that makes sense is because the evidence portrays events unfolding contrary to what we have been told took place that day.

-ChriS

reply to post by BlasteR

You're absolutely correct. I was being facetious. If the government wanted to put an end to speculation about 9/1 being an "inside job", they could easily do it.

For whatever reason, they don't.

I don't think anything is strange here.

www.airfleets.net...

www.airfleets.net...

www.airfleets.net...

It was never 28142, it was always 28145. All sources point to 28145. Where is the serial on the external of the plane anyway? No 757 aircraft have the serial number on the outside of the aircraft. Only 5484 on the nose... www.jetphotos.net... 28145 was delivered to UA in 1996 and has always had the REGO N594UA. Pictures show this pre 2001.

Just want to clarify something: I went on the FAA website and searched their records for one of the serial numbers mentioned (28142).

It came up with five different aircraft:

List here

Doesn't that mean the serial number is not quite the unique identifier that's being suggested? And if that's the case, would that not mean that it's entirely possible the aircraft from 9/11 is different to the aircraft listed here?

LW

[edit on 30-1-2009 by LoneWeasel]

Negatory.

They're all different types of aircraft, there is only one 757 with serial 28142, there is only one Cessna 172 with 28142. It is a serial number for THAT PART, THAT plane.

[edit on 31/1/2009 by C0bzz]

Originally posted by C0bzz
I don't think anything is strange here.

You don't?

The first flight of United N594UA is listed as August 26, 1996.

So why is the first photo of it (from three different aviation photo websites) on June 12, 2003?

BTW, N591UA (Flight 93) was also a 757-222 delivered in 1996, but there are plenty of pre-2001 photos of it.

You don't?

Nope.

The first flight of United N594UA is listed as August 26, 1996.

Yep.

So why is the first photo of it (from three different aviation photo websites) on June 12, 2003?

What aviation websites did you check?

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

How come you used Jetphotos as one source, but Airliners.net for the other?

If I wanted to create a conspiracy, I would of moved N591UA (The 'official' aircraft) into a hanger at night, stripped part of the registry, flown it to Pinal Airpark and had the plane scrapped. Put the passengers on a bus and execute them. Then flown a missile into the ground (somehow with cardboard cutouts, of course, maybe use a space based laser or micronukes...).

Then leave N594UA as N594UA; it doesn't have anything to do with it in my opinion. There are no serial numbers externally, so the 'spot-witnesses' must of been confused with the oher titles on N594UA which say, '5484' on the nose, or 594 on the tail. Besides, airliners don't usually 'fly around' Chicago, as Rense would suggest.

[edit on 31/1/2009 by C0bzz]

reply to post by C0bzz

You are correct.

I only checked Planepictures.net and Jetphotos.net -- somehow missed Airliners.net.

Still doesn't resolve Flight 93 SSDI and 9/11 Compensation Fund strangeness.

I'm checking with a friend who knows the family of a Flight 93 passenger to ask them why they didn't accept the government's 9/11 Fund settlement.

When there's 99% participation everywhere but the airline victims, something's wrong.



[edit on 31-1-2009 by GoldenFleece]

It's too bad there aren't any UAL Pilots or mechanics on ATS.

We pilots record the Ship Number (internal Airline tracking number....the one usually painted on the nose gear doors) in our (little red books). These pocket-sized books are used to keep track of our flights so that we can (A) transfer later to our main Logbook and, (B) keep the Company honest when we compare OUR paid working hours with the Company's computerized redords.

AND, a mechnanic who works for UAL would be able to track gobs of data for each airframe...number of 'cycles' (take-off to landing), ALL maintenance performed, when and where...etc. The FAA requires extensive record-keeping, and Airlines must save all records.

This sort of data would be duplicated not only at the Airline's company headquarters, but at various maintenance hubs throughout the system.

Finding it difficult to believe ALL of that data could be changed as in some 'plot' to cover-up.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Still doesn't resolve Flight 93 SSDI

Golden, it was explained to you in post #2, information regarding the SSDI index. It was discussed here at ATS in several different threads.

Typically, during tragic events such as 911, many victims do not end up on the list. There are many different reasons for this.

Let's take for example, TWA flight 800 that crashed leaving New York back in July of 1996.
I did a quick index of 8 of the victims from that plane. Do you know how many were on the SSDI?

2.

Yes 2, and I was quite certain to only search for American citizens.

You can also use the SSDI to see how many died on the Space Shuttle Columbia. Then so a search on the Space Shuttle Challenger. Do you think it's strange that school teacher Christ McCauliff is not on the index?

There is absolutely nothing strange about the number of victims that appear on the SSDI.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Just when I thought I'd heard most of the hundreds of anomalies about 9/11 (maybe it's THOUSANDS of anomalies!)

Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the Social Security Death Index (13%.)

Of these 45 people, NONE are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

No one.

Just curious but when the source for this contacted the government and asked them about these inconsistencies, what was the response if any?

Something is odd with the serial numbers of Flight 93 and Flight 175. The serial numbers of the ORIGINAL planes are SAME serial numbers of the planes that ARE STILL FLYING: 591UA and 612UA.

Dulce argues, that even though N-number can be transferred, the manufacturer serial number CANNOT be transferred.

According to some spot-witnesses, Boeing 757-222 SERIAL NUMBER 28142 is flying around Chicago under the alias 594UA.

According to the FAA, N594UA Boeing 757-222 flies now with a DIFFERENT serial number, namely 28145.

Something is fishy.

www.rense.com...

"Fishy" isn't the right word. More like "greatest criminal deception in U.S. history."

So are we expected to believe that the people in charge of the "greatest criminal deception in U.S. history", messed up a serial number? How do you reconcile something so basic?

Originally posted by BlasteR
Serial numbers have been released? I thought that NONE of the parts have ever been released that could potentially link any of the parts to the aircraft supposedly used in the attacks (because they were all confiscated by the FBI). Not to mention the video footage of the pentagon attack that was confiscated by the FBI and has yet to come public.

That appears to be the case.

NTSB factual reports pertaining to the Flight Data Recorders allegedly belonging to American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA), do not cite a "Flight Data Recorder Group", that would normally consist of Federal Aviation Administration and airline officials, in possession of records pertaining to a given aircraft and unique serial numbers pertaining to each FDR. The absence of published FDR part and serial numbers within each NTSB FDR report suggests that the NTSB were not provided access to such records that would allow them to confirm the identities of the FDRs studied by them.

NTSB: No Records Pertaining To Process Of Positive Identification Of 9/11 Aircraft Wreckage

Originally posted by GoldenFleece


Still doesn't resolve Flight 93 SSDI and 9/11 Compensation Fund strangeness.

I'm checking with a friend who knows the family of a Flight 93 passenger to ask them why they didn't accept the government's 9/11 Fund settlement.

When there's 99% participation everywhere but the airline victims, something's wrong.

Seems you got a hold of some bad information. No need to bother any of the victims families. It is none of your business what if any compensation that agreed to regarding their murdered loved ones.

Fact:

25 claims were paid out to family members of the victims with UA Flight 93

Fact:

These 25 claims totaled over 53 million dollars.

www.usdoj.gov...
(page 96 table 1)

That means over 55% of the victims families received compensation.

Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by GoldenFleece


Still doesn't resolve Flight 93 SSDI and 9/11 Compensation Fund strangeness.

I'm checking with a friend who knows the family of a Flight 93 passenger to ask them why they didn't accept the government's 9/11 Fund settlement.

When there's 99% participation everywhere but the airline victims, something's wrong.

Seems you got a hold of some bad information. No need to bother any of the victims families. It is none of your business what if any compensation that agreed to regarding their murdered loved ones.

Fact:

25 claims were paid out to family members of the victims with UA Flight 93

Fact:

These 25 claims totaled over 53 million dollars.

www.usdoj.gov...
(page 96 table 1)

That means over 55% of the victims families received compensation.

I really like seeing posts like this where people use REAL FACTUAL information to find the truth whatever it may be.

GREAT POST !!!

The only problem I see is that "truthers" will say it's fake info since it came from the DOJ

and by the way

Two truthers died, went to heaven, and were greeted by God.The first truther asked: "God, who was responsible for the attacks on September11th?"God responded: "Son, it was 19 Muslim extremists, under the guidance of Osama Bin Laden."The first truther whispered to the 2nd one:
"Wow this conspiracy is bigger than we thought!"

This if freaken awesome !!!! Good job !!!!

Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Still doesn't resolve Flight 93 SSDI and 9/11 Compensation Fund strangeness.

I'm checking with a friend who knows the family of a Flight 93 passenger to ask them why they didn't accept the government's 9/11 Fund settlement.

When there's 99% participation everywhere but the airline victims, something's wrong.

Fact:

25 claims were paid out to family members of the victims with UA Flight 93

Fact:

These 25 claims totaled over 53 million dollars.

www.usdoj.gov...
(page 96 table 1)

That means over 55% of the victims families received compensation.

Fact: One of your debunker friends on page 1 of this thread posted the exact same information that I had.

Fact: 55% is a far cry from the 99.65% of WTC families who accepted government compensation. AA 11's 51% is even less.

Why do you suppose half the families of the 9/11 flight victims passed on compensation that averaged over two million dollars?

And since you're so good with numbers, perhaps you can sort out the twin tails of pre-flight 93:

On Sept 10th 2001, Flight 0078 (N591UA) arrived in Newark from SFO (San Fransisco) at 6:54 wheel on time. However, Flight 0507, with the same tail number, 591UA departed Boston Logan for ORD (Chicago) at 7:39 wheel off time, as current screenshots show. How is this possible?



Also, Boston does not have records of N591UA arriving at Logan that day and Newark only has it departing once at 19:40 PM EST.



There seems to be a problem here. It had 45 mins from touchdown in San Francisco before it left in another city.



Recently reestablished, the "official Flight 93" began as a scheduled service from EWR (Newark) to SFO on September 5th 2001, but the first Tuesday flight in 2001, was on 9-11; there was no Newark to SF flight before.



On September 11th, BTS shows 591UA for "Flight93" with a Wheels-off Time at 08:28 AM EST, but which tail departed?


And did it really reach Shanksville?