I Think the Rapture has happened

Originally posted by SueHam2
...Rapture is a term that was created in the 1500's by an English Evangelist Preasher.

No, it wasn't. *sigh*. We have records of it being recognized back to at LEAST 100 A.D.

The term is not mentioned in the entire Holy Scriptures.
It is called being caught up or the Harvest of the L-rds.

No, the term "rapture" is not mentioned in the Bible. Neither is God, Jesus, heaven, hell, NOR ANY OTHER ENGLISH WORD!

The word "rapture" is actually more specific than the ancient Koine Greek and Aramaic for the same term (or idea, however you want to look at it).

Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine when someone says the word rapture "isn't in the bible". Of course it isn't. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek and Aramaic.


[edit on 5-3-2009 by sir_chancealot]

oops typo's on my end

[edit on 7-3-2009 by crazyjames65]

Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine when someone says the word rapture "isn't in the bible". Of course it isn't. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek and Aramaic.

If you're Christian - you are condemning the bible by believing in rapture.

This conjured notion of any ideal that resembles what modern culture calls "rapture" and the likes appears absolutely no where in the bible.

If it's not in the bible, how can you believe it to be true (if you are true to your faith of Christianity)




[edit on 9-3-2009 by Fremd]

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
No, it wasn't. *sigh*. We have records of it being recognized back to at LEAST 100 A.D.

The term is not mentioned in the entire Holy Scriptures.
It is called being caught up or the Harvest of the L-rds.

No, the term "rapture" is not mentioned in the Bible. Neither is God, Jesus, heaven, hell, NOR ANY OTHER ENGLISH WORD!

The word "rapture" is actually more specific than the ancient Koine Greek and Aramaic for the same term (or idea, however you want to look at it).

Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine when someone says the word rapture "isn't in the bible". Of course it isn't. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek and Aramaic.

Ummm, I'm not sure what you are going on about, or why you are bring up other languages. But the term isn't in the english version of the bible, where all those other words you mention are.

I can't find the term in any of the more popular versions of the bible. I check the KJV, NIV, NLT, ESV and so on, and not a single mention of the word.



www.biblegateway.com...

reply to post by badmedia


it's quite simple, the bible talks of complex ideas and concepts which we now have words for.

the bible does say that the the 144,000 will be swept up into heaven while god prepares the world for the end times & judging - this is what is meant by the term Rapture.

Jesus taught his followers to live in a socialist system, his disciples he told to live in a communist system - those words didn't exist back then, people didn't even really understand the concepts he was describing yet alone have words for them. It wasn't until much later that we invented words to describe them, we can now call jesus a communist even if he had never heard the world in his life, same as we could call horse a quadruped.

The term rapture refers to the act of being called to heaven which jesus promised paul would happen before god made everyone suffer plagues and fire to prepare for the judgement.

Sorry, I don't have any bible scripture knowlage to add to this thread. But if we've had a "rapture" then it was rubbish dude.

It raptured by un noticed in a most unrapture like manor. I was expecting at the very least, some raining frogs.

Originally posted by NatureBoy
reply to post by zazzafrazz

 

So you are holy and right, but the bible is wrong? You're saying the bible is wrong?


in other news;

Even the other apostles couldn't stand Paul

The other apostles didn't know paul, he was born after they died.

Not true...Paul attended the Council of Jerusalem in AD 50. Also in attendance were James, John and Peter.

Council of Jerusalem

Originally posted by NatureBoy
reply to post by badmedia

 

the bible does say that the the 144,000 will be swept up into heaven while god prepares the world for the end times & judging - this is what is meant by the term Rapture.

The number 144,000 is symbolic of a vast number. Almost any time a prophecy speaks of thousands, it should be given this meaning, rather than taking it literally

Source

To assume that rapture has already happened, and that all the rest of us are damned to hell is just plain ludicrous.

Not saying that i myself am the prime example of how one should live thier life, but there are plenty of people left in this world that have pure hearts, and if this notion of "rapture" were legit (and not made up centuries after the gospels) then explain to me why God would turn God's back on innocent and pure of heart men, women, and children.




regardless, The son of God himself admits he does not know when the end of the world is coming.

So...what makes you think that we do?

[edit on 9-3-2009 by Fremd]

[edit on 9-3-2009 by Fremd]

Originally posted by NatureBoy
Jesus taught his followers to live in a socialist system, his disciples he told to live in a communist system - those words didn't exist back then, people didn't even really understand the concepts he was describing yet alone have words for them. It wasn't until much later that we invented words to describe them, we can now call jesus a communist even if he had never heard the world in his life, same as we could call horse a quadruped.

This is a lie. Jesus was not in anyway a communist. Just because he talks of helping people is not in anyway a request for the leaders to control everything for a community. Jesus represented power to the people, decentralization, not power to the elites and centralization like communism.

The perfect society is one of "anarchy", with no government outside the father. This means a society of people who live by the commandments and thus do not need any government. This society is impossible on earth, and would never work here because we have evil on this earth. Governments are only needed among a people where evil is present. As the founding fathers of the US said, it is a necessary evil because evil is present.

Communism is completely opposite of what Jesus talked. The closest thing to the way of Jesus is the US constitution, which was created where? Philadelphia and the city of brotherly love. The constitution has acted like the key of david and has been a door that can not be shut. It has protected people for 200 years from the evils of government.

But there is still communities present, but it is not a system of communism. Smaller communities where the power is not with the elites and centralized, but with the people.

Power to the people = decentralization of power. Power to the elites = centralization of power. Communism/socialism/big government = power to the elites. The US constitution and that form of government(if followed, not what we have today) = power to the people.

The term rapture refers to the act of being called to heaven which jesus promised paul would happen before god made everyone suffer plagues and fire to prepare for the judgement.

Can you point out where Jesus says this please? I can only recall Jesus saying he will keep certain people from judgment, but nothing of a rapture.





[edit on 9-3-2009 by badmedia]

reply to post by Fremd


ok let me get this right,

Talking Snake - Legit
Burning Bush - Legit
Great Flood - Legit
Magic Golden GPS (arc of covernant) - Legit
Water to wine - Legit
Reincarnation - Legit
Pauls Rev - Legit
That you are a sinner - NEVER IN A BILLION YEARS!!!!!!

ok, so you admit you aren't too pure - point to someone who is as pure as the 144000 purest, someone with no kids (sex is abomination) who has done nothing but worship god in all his ways? see him? is that him? oh no, that guy is part of a evil and corrupt church designed to control and subjugate the masses, my mistake....

They have all gone, now the entire population of history is living and god will give those from his chosen tribe a chance to repent (i am not from such a tribe) thus they can pick between heaven and hell, however they can't know that it's really the end times because if they did it would prove god, spoiling the question. However I, am most likely you are not gods chosen people, my ancestors were not in isreal when god spake upon them, they were enjoying an early bronze age arable utopia in fertile europe and wouldn't need to seriously worry about placating any gods until the romans swarm in around the time jesus was being born among the holy people. So, 6000 years ago when god put adam in eden and eve ate the apple getting them cast out, notice how they go live with the other people? Those other people are from whom i was born of, however they didn't live in Nod (to the east) but rather out of the 'world' as the holy people knew it then, they hadn't even crossed the aegean yet alone the alps. My people were so far off gods radar that he didn't even notice that they has invented boats before even Noah and had thus survived the great flood too. God also couldn't careless if i know it's the end times, my job is to temp the holy people into sin so they can get strong resisting and thus be able to resist the devil when he turns up at the end of the trib (2012)

God doesn't care about us, we don't get the heaven hell thing, thats only for 'his' people, we are just monkey men bit part players in the game of life - we will be given the death as in dreamless sleep eternal. The clock is ticking down, your chance to have fun and fulfill your purpose is running out.... the bible says so.

reply to post by badmedia


hahahaha yeah good one, the american capitalist system is EXACTLY what jesus had in mind! haha and Moses was a idol seller! lol

Seriously, did you read the jesus bits in the bible? Go back and look at what he tells his followers to do with their things -hehe i suppose when he said 'a rich man would find it easier to ride a camel into heaven than the poor kid working in his sweatshop would be able to thread a needle' oh no wai- did i get that wrong?

Jesus was a communist, if you have read his work you can't deny it. He wasn't a state capitalist like soviet russia was, he was a communist - his grand leader was God, or rather himself as a living god. People were to love and share freely, he wanted a free communist state under god the mighty dictator.

I never got why hard core right wing capitalists all love jesus so much, meh that's part of the big swindle isn't it, isn't everything.

Originally posted by NatureBoy
reply to post by Fremd

 

ok let me get this right,

Talking Snake - Legit
Burning Bush - Legit
Great Flood - Legit
Magic Golden GPS (arc of covernant) - Legit
Water to wine - Legit
Reincarnation - Legit
Pauls Rev - Legit
That you are a sinner - NEVER IN A BILLION YEARS!!!!!!

Show me that i said that im not a sinner? You are inventing parts of a conversation that never took place......bad for you im afraid :O

ok, so you admit you aren't too pure - point to someone who is as pure as the 144000 purest, someone with no kids (sex is abomination) who has done nothing but worship god in all his ways? see him? is that him? oh no, that guy is part of a evil and corrupt church designed to control and subjugate the masses, my mistake....

The bible says nothing about Sex being an abomination. Your ignorance of the Christian bible is astounding.

They have all gone, now the entire population of history is living and god will give those from his chosen tribe a chance to repent (i am not from such a tribe) thus they can pick between heaven and hell, however they can't know that it's really the end times because if they did it would prove god, spoiling the question. However I, am most likely you are not gods chosen people, my ancestors were not in isreal when god spake upon them, they were enjoying an early bronze age arable utopia in fertile europe and wouldn't need to seriously worry about placating any gods until the romans swarm in around the time jesus was being born among the holy people. So, 6000 years ago when god put adam in eden and eve ate the apple getting them cast out, notice how they go live with the other people? Those other people are from whom i was born of, however they didn't live in Nod (to the east) but rather out of the 'world' as the holy people knew it then, they hadn't even crossed the aegean yet alone the alps. My people were so far off gods radar that he didn't even notice that they has invented boats before even Noah and had thus survived the great flood too. God also couldn't careless if i know it's the end times, my job is to temp the holy people into sin so they can get strong resisting and thus be able to resist the devil when he turns up at the end of the trib (2012)

:O Use paragraphs....

God doesn't care about us, we don't get the heaven hell thing, thats only for 'his' people, we are just monkey men bit part players in the game of life - we will be given the death as in dreamless sleep eternal. The clock is ticking down, your chance to have fun and fulfill your purpose is running out.... the bible says so.

Atleast you admit that you know nothing about Christian religion other than the facts that you choose to invent

Rather inadvertent or not....it's the first step in recognizing that you, despite what you think, do not know everything about anything.

Your recollection of Christian ideology is proof enough.






[edit on 10-3-2009 by Fremd]

Originally posted by NatureBoy
hahahaha yeah good one, the american capitalist system is EXACTLY what jesus had in mind! haha and Moses was a idol seller! lol

Seriously, did you read the jesus bits in the bible? Go back and look at what he tells his followers to do with their things -hehe i suppose when he said 'a rich man would find it easier to ride a camel into heaven than the poor kid working in his sweatshop would be able to thread a needle' oh no wai- did i get that wrong?

Jesus was a communist, if you have read his work you can't deny it. He wasn't a state capitalist like soviet russia was, he was a communist - his grand leader was God, or rather himself as a living god. People were to love and share freely, he wanted a free communist state under god the mighty dictator.

I never got why hard core right wing capitalists all love jesus so much, meh that's part of the big swindle isn't it, isn't everything.

See, now you are getting into political stuff, and you might actually have a point if what the things were called was a reflection of what they were. Just because something is called that, doesn't mean it is that.

America hasn't been "capitalistic" since at least before 1913. What we have had instead is "corporatism", otherwise known as fascism. The entire system is not based on "capital", it is based on debt. As it is based on debt, those in control of the money supply are able to create false "capital" and then basically leech off the system/people. It is in favor of the corporations, because these corporations are the ones who get the loans and the new money. Meanwhile, the poor people have their purchasing power stolen from them and they suffer more, unless they of course work for the corporations to get some of that newly created money.

These are the money changers of today.

It is also not a "free market". It's an extremely regulated market. And while they are generally sold as being good things, they generally serve the interests of a few.

And there has been a constant push for centralization of power as well. Everything going to 1 big program more and more. Socialism/Communism. But these things aren't good. Let me explain why and how it is supposed to work.

First is the money supply. It should be stable and have neither inflation or deflation. Fractional banking(legal counterfeit) should be outlawed for the theft it is. I can get into the replacement sometime, but the point is purchasing power, not actual number of dollars in your pocket. The "value of a dollar".

As for programs, they sound good and are possibly well intended. But you have 1 program for the entire country. If we get someone like GWB in, who does crazy things to something like the education program then the entire country has to suffer. And, the changes are few and we can only try 1 change at a time, on a topic we don't even really vote on that much.

Where as if you decentralize that power and program down just 1 level to the state level. You now have 50 programs, all trying to provide the best service etc. If 1 state does something good, all the states can add it. If your state is doing it bad, they can look at another state, where as the 1 program has no where too look. Because you have so many programs, you are able to try many different things at once, which leads to the greatest amount of progress and improvement. You take that down even further, and you have thousands of programs. And the lower the level, the more say and power you have in the changes that are made. Those people have to answer to you. You have 1 in 100 million vote in a national election, 1 in a few million for your state, and 1 in a few thousand for your community. You probably won't ever be president, but you can be a councilman. And you aren't stuck with who the people 3000 miles away vote for either.

It's not like you can't have schools or help people just because you don't have huge national programs.

I can go on, but I don't want to take the topic off topic. It's only propaganda that you need big programs and communistic governments to help people.

Just by changing the money supply problem alone you would knock out the majority of poverty and economic suffering in this world. They are the same things as in the bible where they are called the moneychangers, and the loans/debt/interest is called usury.

Communism is basically just giving them all your money instead and then living on welfare, only not free.

reply to post by Fremd


message from god,

Rather inadvertent or not....it's the first step in recognizing that you, despite what you think, do not know everything about anything.

right back atcha buddy

reply to post by NatureBoy


Why don't you do as Jesus says instead of trying to show how much you think you know. You seem to be caught up in one of the Devils games. The Lord loves you anyway.

reply to post by ablue07


OR you are caught up in one of the devils games, confused by the truth you can see but won't accept - pretend all you want that you are the only one with the right answer, pretend some higher power told you and only you the correct answer, you and i both know that if god wanted people to know something he would have told everyone after all whats to stop him? why would he need someone like you as a vehicle to the rest of us?

It's clear, god wants us to work it out for ourselves by looking at the evidence and the evidence sides with me in this case.

You have the scariest and most convoluted interpretation of scripture I have ever heard.

Care to show me the verses that back what you say up? I'm curious.

reply to post by NatureBoy


Caught up

Matthew 24:36, 29, 30

(NIV)
24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not
the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the
heavens shall be shaken:*

*13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof
shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his
going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

*34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the
heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their
host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine,
and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in
heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and
they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of
heaven with power and great glory.


(NIV)
Mt. 24:36 “No-one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the Son, [Some manuscripts: do not have nor
the Son.] but only the Father.

Mt. 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “`the sun will be
darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will
fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
*[Isaiah 13:10; 34:4]

*Is. 13:10 The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show
their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will
not give its light.

*Is. 34:4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky
rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered
leaves from the vine, like shrivelled figs from the fig-tree.


Mt. 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the
sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see
the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power
and great glory.



After the Tribulation 7 year "week" of Daniel's prophecy , not at the start of the 7 years 4x's times when

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

(KJV)
4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,
concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even
as others which have no hope.

4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even
so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that
we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep.

4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with
a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump
of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught
up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the
air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


(NIV)
1Th. 4:13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those
who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no
hope.

1Th. 4:14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe
that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in
him.

1Th. 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who
are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will
certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

1Th. 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a
loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the
trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

1Th. 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so we will be with the Lord for ever.

1Th. 4:18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.


Latin " deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinqui mur simul rapie mur cumillis in avera et sie semper cum Domino erimus "
" Shall be caught up " is " Rapiemur " Root for the Latin word " rapiemur " is " rapio " which means
" to seize ", snatch, tearaway; to hurry along a person or thing " "raptus" now the root Greek word for " shall be caught up " is
" harpazo " Strong's Concordance # 726 means " to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away " which is the same as
" rapiemur " which is probably why Jerome translated that way it really doesn't matter if a person doesn't like the word " rapture"
it's the same meaning Latin or Greek " to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away "

Verse 15 Paul got this from the Lord " for this we say unto you "
Verse 13 " I would not have you to be Ignorant " educating us to TRUTH


"harpazo" New testment Matthew 11:12

(KJV)
11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the
kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take
it by force.

(NIV)
Mt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of
heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay
hold of it.

Take it by force

Matthew 13:19

(KJV)
13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and
understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and
catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he
which received seed by the way side.

(NIV)
Mt. 13:19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does
not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what
was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.

John 6:15

(KJV)
6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come
and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed
again into a mountain himself alone.

(NIV)
Jn. 6:15 Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him
king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.

John 10:12

(KJV)
10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd,
whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and
leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them,
and scattereth the sheep.

(NIV)
Jn. 10:12 The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So
when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and
runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

How does a wolf get sheep ? "Harpazo" , "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away"

john 10:28

(KJV)
10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall
never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my
hand.

(NIV)
Jn. 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no-one
can snatch them out of my hand.

John 10:29

(KJV)
10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

(NIV)
Jn. 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all;
[Many early manuscripts What my Father has given me is
greater than all] no-one can snatch them out of my Father’s
hand

Acts 8:39

(KJV)
8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the
Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw
him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

(NIV)
Ac. 8:39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord
suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him
again, but went on his way rejoicing.

Note earlier in this section that the Angel Phillip to catch up and intercept man traveling by chariot from Jerusalem to Gaza on a
desert route. Take a look of a map of Israel to understand the significance of his being "caught away" now if Phillip was caught away from


Acts 23:10

(KJV)
23:10 And when there arose a great dissension, the chief
captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces
of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take
him by force from among them, and to bring him into the
castle.

(NIV)
Ac. 23:10 The dispute became so violent that the commander was afraid
Paul would be torn to pieces by them. He ordered the troops
to go down and take him away from them by force and bring
him into the barracks.


2 Corinthians 12:2

(KJV)
12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the
body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up
to the third heaven.


(NIV)
2Co. 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught
up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of
the body I do not know — God knows.


1 Thessalonians 4:17

(KJV)
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught
up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the
air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


(NIV)
1Th. 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And so we will be with the Lord for ever.


Jude 1:23


(KJV)
1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

(NIV)
Jude 23 snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show
mercy, mixed with fear — hating even the clothing stained by
corrupted flesh


Revelation 12:4 Child (I.E. Jesus)

(KJV)
12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,
and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before
the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour
her child as soon as it was born.


(NIV)
Re. 12:4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung
them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman
who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her
child the moment it was born.


His ascension to heaven 40 days after his resurrection


John 6:39

(KJV)
6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that
of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but
should raise it up again at the last day.

(NIV)
Jn. 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none
of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

Jesus said he would rasie you up the Last Day



4 times the last day

John 6:40

(KJV)
6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one
which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have
everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(NIV)
Jn. 6:40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son
and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him
up at the last day.”

John 6:44

(KJV)
6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath
sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(NIV)
Jn. 6:44 “No-one can come to me unless the Father who sent me
draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54

(KJV)
6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath
eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

(NIV)
Jn. 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,
and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 24:3 "age" Greek = "aeon" as "world"

(KJV)
24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples
came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these
things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of
the end of the world?

(NIV)
Mt. 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples
came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this
happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the
end of the age?”

Originally posted by asmeone2

Originally posted by NatureBoy


So, no real Christians left + end of Christs Age + everything done by 2012 = THE RAPTURE HAS HAPPENED!

It seems we are the sinners, so sin well my friends.

The cynic in me wonders, were there ever any "Real Christians" to begin with?

Well...Id say Jesus.... But he was Jewish...

The rapture DID happen, unfortunately nobody on the planet qualified.
The ship sailed and there were no-one onboard.