"Thanks, Tobacco: You Killed My Mom"

Sorry but weak a@@ people like that are whats wrong with the country.
Tobaco did not kill his mom, she did, she chose to use the tobaco
she read the lables many many times, every pack has them.
She chose to light up and suck away.

Take responsobility for a change... quit blaming big biz....
we make the decisions we do, not anyone else, we are in control of our life
and our future..

Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
Have any of you heard of ADDITIVE FREE tobacco??? or ORGANICALLY GROWN ADDITIVE FREE??? This is put out by American Spirit. It is tobacco that does NOT contain any of the CRAP that the big companies add. The papers are made from flax...and if you buy the pre-rolled packs the filters are made from cotton.

I am not condoning the use of tobacco....even tho I am a smoker that quit for 17 years and have been back at it for the last 2.5....but I am saying, that this type of tobacco is much easier to quit smoking when one makes the choice.

I don't smoke more than 10 a day and sometimes less...I use the loose tobacco and roll them myself...if one does not abuse it, like any other substance, there should be nothing wrong with ADULTS choosing to smoke, regardless of it's concequinces, it is a personal choice.

Several people I have known that smoke have made the switch to this tobacco and have cut their smoking by at least 75% or more....if they choose to quit, it will make it much easier.

It is a personal choice to smoke, and it can be done with decorum if both sides are willing.

~Holly

Yes this is what I use as well .....but I am about to quit because last week they voted for taxes to be raised once again on tobacco ...
We got this from the Cig store .

Jan 14th the house approved raising tobacco tax rates to pay for the SCHIPS program ....(State Childrens Health Insurance Program)
Cigs ....$6.10 more a carton
Large Cigars ...up to $.40 more per cigar
Little cigars ....$.96 more per pack
Pipe Tobacco ..$1.70 more per pound
RYP/MYO ...$23.53 more per pound (this is tobacco sold by the pound when you roll your own) .......
etc etc ..

So I have had enough ..I am quitting ...


PS.......non smoking tax payers better hope we dont all quit ..if we do then they will have to make up the difference from their pay checks ...to pay for these programs ..



[edit on 27-1-2009 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by foremanator

 

I have done my research and beyond that I know smokers. I'm a smoker. I never said people smoke to get high, I said that people GET a nicotine high. I said that it chemically makes you happy. Doing a little google search can't tell you what ACTUAL smokers feel when they smoke.

I smoke, it relieves stress and makes me feel good. No amount of phony research or twisted statistics can make that fact false. The same thing goes for a lot of my friends. One in particular found out she couldn't drink anymore and turned to smoking for a stress relief.

Get over yourself.

I am done talking to you.

This argument always gets quite ridiculous. There needs to be a common ground here, people. Just because you don't smoke doesn't mean you should be able to force someone else to not smoke, same as they should not be able to force you TO smoke.

Smoke inside a public place was recently outlawed in Ohio. Before it was, though, there were seperate areas for smokers and seperate areas for non smokers. That is fair. Some places were non smoking. Fine. Some places were smoking. Fine. Non smokers went to the non smoking places and smokers went to the smoking places. Smokers went into non smoking places not expecting to be able to smoke. One huge difference here was that non smokers went into smoking places with a huge head thinking they shouldn't have to be around smoking in publicly advertised smoking places. I will take a coffee shop I frequent often as an example (the Enclave in downtown willoughby, oh). Most people that came in there knew it was a smoking place. No, you didn't have to be a smoker to go in there obviously. But the message was clear: BEWARE if you do not smoke. Most who frequent here do.

Did we force smoke into anyones lungs? No. Did people who willingly walked into a smoking establishment get smoke in their lungs? Yes. WHY? Because they chose to walk into a smoking establishment. Not because I blew smoke into their lungs, though im sure some of it was mine that they breathed in. This is because they happened to be in a smoking establishment. If they wanted coffee without smoke in the air, there was a non smoking arabica down the street.

It wasn't enough that there were a LOT of non smoking establishments. They wanted to be able to go into any place and have everything their way. Well, you know what? Sometimes you can't have everything your way and if you think you should, you are an egoist. Thinking that everyone should bend to your desires and your will shows that you are quite the product of the 21st century and a model citizen.

Please, continue to petition to please yourself and not realize that there are different types of people living around you. This is civility at it's finest.

In my opinion, it is people who think that they should be specifically catered to regardless of the situations or other people involved are the reason that the country is in the shape that it is in.

No, I am not saying that smoking has anything to do with the national economic crisis. I am, however, saying that it is the unfair and ungiving attitudes of these types of people. If it's not their way, they won't have it. God save you if the smokers suddenly decided to become that way because all would break loose. So far, though, we have remained relatively calm and have tried to use reason and logic which is, apparently, not working.

All in all, you have to realize that there are other people aside from yourself who like to do different things, just like you. We don't force smoking into every place we go because we know that is unfair. Stop being an egoist.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by GreyFoxSolid]

[edit on 27-1-2009 by GreyFoxSolid]

reply to post by foremanator


Foremanator, there is a new saying up top there- It says "Civility and Decorum Are Expected".

Please do not join in a debate unless you are willing to debate. It's not very civil to tell someone that you are no longer talking to them because they are answering you.

Feel free to discontinue posting in the thread at any point.

Originally posted by Mynaeris

Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
Well I can't go to the pub or most public places because many people will be wearing perume or cologne and I am guaranteed to get a migraine. Where do you draw the line? If the world was a smarter place you would have both smoking and non-smoking bars and restraunts. Let each consumer make their own choice.

By the same token as your previous post you are probably weak and have some serious medical condition and that's why you can't deal with the smell of perfume. When I read this post after your previous one I was rolling on the floor with laughter. Thank God I don't smoke or my lungs would have collapsed!

Just for info : If someone can smell you from more than a foot away you're wearing too much perfume! It's a class thing - perfume isn't meant to chase away stink, just to enhance those intimate moments. Smoking on the other hand people can smell your smoke from about 15 plus foot away.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by Mynaeris]

You have quite an ego. You were rolling on the floor laughing? I saw nothing funny about this. I can only imagine if we said we were on the floor laughing at you because you dont like smoke.

It just sounds stupid to say. Sorry.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
I find it incredibly amusing that not only will smokers defend their right to smoke so vehemently, but also completely excuse the tobacco companies from any wrongdoing.

Now those are some very good chemists making those cigarettes. I actually want to go into their R&D Departments and see how they are able to alter someone's psyche so fundamentally that they would defend their addiction, the harmful effects on their own bodies, the harmful effects on the environment and others around them, and even the tobacco companies that actively market to minors in order to maintain a viable profit margin.

Good video. I wish everyone that smokes would take a second and realize that regardless of the reasons I mentioned above, when smoking begins to destroy your body and contribute to a premature, painful death, it won't be just you that suffers. It will be your friends and family that love you that suffer as you will.

Sorry for burst-posting but I am just going through all of this. I have to respond to this one.

None of the people defending smoking here have denied its suspected health risks. We know how we feel when we run a block. We've seen people die from it.

You know what, though? I have seen people die from drinking our water, eating sandwiches, ice skating, drinking, running, excersizing, and a whole load of other things.

People will die. People need to die. It is the natural order of things. I am not saying this is good for population control or anything like that, but I am saying that you will die from one thing or another. If I die from smoke, it will be because I chose to smoke. I chose to quit at one point. Then I realized that I just liked to smoke so I started again.

I smoke. You don't have to smoke. I will try and keep my smoke away from you, but please keep your anti-smoke away from me.

P.S.

As for this video, I will actually tell you that it looks somewhat fake to me. Like it's all set up. The way he acts around his mother seems fake, her breathing was quite ridiculous. Lungs do not make that sound without being completely full of fluids in which case they would have taken these fluids out. A friend of mine had his lungs 75% full of fluids and he did not sound like that. If they did not take these fluids out, they were not doing their job correctly.

Maybe it sounds ridiculous, but this video rings fake to me. Notice they let her out on her hospital bed to SMOKE? I have never seen a dying lung cancer patient allowed out to smoke, not without a lot of upset family members and law suits flying left and right.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by GreyFoxSolid]

Congratulations to all of you posting your anti-smoking lectures. It's the first time that we've heard those before.

Who are any of you to comment on what I or any other smokers do with our lives? We're aware of the dangers, every pack has a nice little warning on it. It's ridiculous to blame big companies for something that people choose or choose not to do.

That'd be like blaming the pen you're writing with because you misspelled a word. It just doesn't make any sense.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Agreed. I'm sorry for the man's loss, but the knowledge of what smoking does has been out there for years. Everyone knows the risks of smoking, drinking alcohal, doing drugs, and getting laid, it's called being responsible. People love nothing more than to blame everything from god to the next door neighbors dog for everything, but fail to own up to your own self. Taking responsibility is one of the best things I have learned to do. I used to be one of those people that blamed everything else but me for my problems and shortcomings, but once you bear the burden of responsiblity, then you're on the path of true personal freedom, and let me tell you, it feels great!

As for smoking, I don't smoke, think it's a nasty habit, but who am I to tell someone to quit? I like to indulge on good cigars once in a while, especially when the moment calls for it, is it the tobacco companies fault? Of course not, it's a personal small pleasure of life. Was it the tobacco companies fault that my dad liked to spit his skoll all over the place and would get scolded by my mom for it every single time? No, they chose each other. I think these anti smoking, anti drinking campaigns need to realize that the population is now aware of the dangers of everything and these things need to stay in the classroom. And they need to bring back the funny beer commericals and let the tobacco companies do some tv ads again. Does anyone remember the budweiser frogs, and the malbro man? Eliminating the beer ads did nothing to stop underage drinking and still don't and people still smoke despite the warnings.

I wonder if the plan is to make our lives eventually similar to the future world in the movie Demolition Man, with Sylvestor Stallone. No smoking, No eating meat, No contact sports (goodbye sunday and monday night football, hangs head) No alcohal, No Swearing, No Individuality, No kissing, and worst of all, No Sex (noooooooooo!!!) and all resturants would be taco bell. My goodness, what a horrifying future!

Originally posted by Mynaeris
reply to post by MilitieTempliSalmo

 

Recent research has shown that people from lower social classes , with lower education levels are more likely to smoke. I can understand it , it sucks living under constant stress. For your own sake and your family's stop smoking if you can.

I can see your point, but... I'm not low class nor low educated. And yes... I will stop smoking thats for sure.

But when I see this "news" of "cigarettes killed my mom, its their fault" I say, no its not, its her fault. Like if something happens to me (hope not) its my fault not cigarettes.

Its time ppl start blaming themselves for their own mistakes and take the consequences instead of hiding behind an excuse or blaming an external factor.

reply to post by GreyFoxSolid

None of the people defending smoking here have denied its suspected health risks. We know how we feel when we run a block. We've seen people die from it.

You know what, though? I have seen people die from drinking our water, eating sandwiches, ice skating, drinking, running, excersizing, and a whole load of other things.

The health risks of smoking are not 'suspected', they are known. None of the things you mentioned even come close to the number of people who die every year from smoking, even if you combined them all together it wouldn't. Also, none of the things you mentioned are known carcinogens that actively harm tissue they come into contact with (except for our drinking water perhaps. But you drinking water near me won't have a negative impact on me like second hand smoke).

A bandaid could kill somebody if applied to do so, just like a gun. Does that mean that a bandaids are weapons? Of course not...

Also, would you care to respond to the last part of my comment, about how the bad choices you make now can hurt not only you but the ones you love?

Thanks!

I dont understand why some non smokers here complain about having to breath other people´s smoke , but they dont complain about the crap that vehicles release and that they have to inhale , that is far worse than getting a little smoke on your face , but i dont see them complaining about that.
I understand that is a little disgusting having to breath the smoke from other persons , but for me a little politeness always worked , when i dont want someone smoking near me ,when im in a shop or at the bus stop etc , i just ask them to quit it , and i or them just move away or quit , most people stop smoking or get away from me.

As someone who used tobacco in several forms for more than thirty years, I ascribe to the personal responsibility position posited by some here.

I very much opposed the lawsuits against the tobacco industry of several years ago on the basis that the effects of smoking have been known for more than a hundred years and that those effects have been universally accepted for at least a quarter century and also because I knew that the only people who would benefit substantially from such lawsuits were the attorneys.

I also know that the tobacco industry for decades conspired to make cigarettes more addictive and hid their knowledge of the ill effects of their product for as long as they could get away with it.

For myself, I'm just very glad that after all those years of tobacco use, I was finally able to overcome my addiction and even more happy that I have so far not suffered any permanent or long-term ill effects from my use of these products.

Yes, the woman in the video was responsible for her addiction to tobacco and ultimately for her own death, but that is not the important message in the film.

The real message is what tobacco can do to those who are addicted, even when they call that addiction a choice.

Almost everyone who smokes, smokes by choice. What they don't do by choice is to become addicted.

When I talk to young people about their habit, addiction to tobacco is always something that happens to others. They always tell me that they can quit anytime they so choose.

Listening to the rationalizations of smokers is almost endlessly edifying. I used to say the same things and it took me more than thirty years to really quit.

I was fortunate, but the lady in the film and millions of others are not so fortunate. Her death was agonizing for her and the ones who loved her.

That's really the only point I have to make.

If you choose to smoke, smoke. Just do it in such a manner that you don't harm others with your choice.

Tobacco Industry Quotes






[edit on 2009/1/27 by GradyPhilpott]

i love this thread!

just for all the non smokers and people who are "yabbering" on about "3rd hand smoke" im going to go blow my cigarette smoke in the direction of the nearest baby!

brb!

[edit on 27-1-2009 by ninja jedi]

I can't stand people that blame the cigarettes for killing people. If they smoke them, they will die. There's no two ways about it!

reply to post by foremanator


You are allowed to grow tobacco...just cant sell it. (i the US)


[edit on 27-1-2009 by psyko45]

While I am sorry for your loss, open eyes and ears should be an alarm years ago, that smoking is in fact bad for ones health. My grandfather died as a result of complications due to tobacco. I am no stranger to its horrors.

The shortness of breath, the possibility of lung cancer, and a host of other medical related complications have long been associatted to this addictive practice for decades.

In regards to blaming the tobacco company, the age old arguement arises, whether it be prostitution, or narcotics, alcohol or destructive behavior patterns: Is it the fault of the provider, or the user?

I once knew a man long ago, who sold drugs. And he told me one time, that he is not a dealer, but that people called him on their own accord. Their addiction and use is not his fault, for he is merely fulfilling a need.
The drugs of today, like tobacco, are easily obtainable, but I think we can all agree that each and every person undertaking this practice has the ability and the capability of restraint.

From alcohol abuse, to substance and non productive social practices, that the ability to say no, resides within every person. The question is, do they come to that conclusion before it is too late.

How many of us pay no attention to destructive practices in society of today, in fact promoting them in the name of commerce or social acceptability? From drinking, drugs and smoking, as well as non beneficial behaviors; we have become a society of after the known fact alarmism, until reality strikes within our own lives.

Peace


[edit on 27-1-2009 by HIFIGUY]

Lennnon said it best.

"why smoke anything that doesnt do anything but kill you slowly.

I don't really have much to add. Most of this thread is just one side complaining about the other side. My Grandma did die a couple decades ago from smoking related illnesses. She smoked since she was 12 years old until she was 68. She grew up in a time when cigarette companies paid doctors to go on TV and tell everyone that it was good for their health to smoke. These companies addicted an entire country using lies in order to make a buck on a product that they knew caused serious health problems. They paid movies studios to have actors smoke in movies to make it look cool to the younger generations. They knew about the health risks but hid the truth and lied for decades. To me, these things are ethically and morally wrong.





[edit on 27-1-2009 by zerotime]

I think when I was about 5 and my first day at school they got us to do a fire drill. It basically consisted us of getting on the ground and crawling across the floor towards the door.

Why...?

" Because the smoke will kill you before the fire does ."

I really fail to see how people " voluntarily" become confused about this simple well know fact later on in life. I think they are being dishonest and deceitful to claim anything other than willful stupidity.

And people die from stupidity every day.