"Thanks, Tobacco: You Killed My Mom"

We talk about Second Hand smoke, but what about Second Hand drinking, you know, when someone is driving home on a beautiful night, enjoying their life and at an instant, they are hit by a drunk driver and suddenly, life is no more.

Originally posted by foremanator
Well in that case. We should legalize heroine and crack. Why not? We could tax them, and pay of the national deficit a lot quicker. Neither are as addictive as nicotine. And well lets face it. If you are dumb enough to start it would be your own fault...right?

Yes. We should legalize all the drugs. You may be being sarcastic there but, in reality, everything you said is absolutely true. We should legalize prostitution too. It opens up an entirely new job base and it can be regulated. This is insanity.

I'm a smoker...it was my choice. I was bombarded with all the anti-smoking crap that goes around the whole time I was growing up and I STILL chose to start smoking. I know it's bad for me, now leave me alone.

I normally wouldn't have a problem with non-smokers. But you people whine and complain and smokers have tried to be polite with you people but you just wont let up.

We got out of the restaurants and we got out of malls and stores and we even gave you people the WHOLE damn airplane and you still whine and moan about how we smoke. That whole crap argument about us "forcing" you to breathe in smoke is ridiculous. If you go outside, regardless of smokers, you are breathing in air that contains carcinogens and pollutants anyway.

Originally posted by Oceanborn

Non-smokers that I dislike are the one's that are whinning.Excuse me but yeah.
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Can you explain how my whining is injurious to your health? Your smoking affects everybody in your environment not just you. Smokers always feel it's their rights that they are protecting. You're depriving me of my rights to be healthy.

reply to post by TasteTheMagick


Your rant is pretty non-sensical. Sorry because you seem to be an intelligent person, but to be saying that others complaints are annoying YOU are the one depriving them of their rights. THEY are not asking you for second hand smoke - you are insisting on giving it to them. The drug and prostitution rant is pretty nonsensical too but belongs to another thread.

reply to post by Mynaeris


No one's depriving you of your rights. It's people that twist around reality, the way you are right now, that sue McDonald's for having hot coffee or making them fat.

Originally posted by Mynaeris
Your rant is pretty non-sensical. Sorry because you seem to be an intelligent person, but to be saying that others complaints are annoying YOU are the one depriving them of their rights. THEY are not asking you for second hand smoke - you are insisting on giving it to them. The drug and prostitution rant is pretty nonsensical too but belongs to another thread.

I'm not depriving anyone of their rights. You're twisting around the reality of the situation. Are you aware of just what's in the AIR you breathe, inside and out, regardless of present smokers? I'm not giving anyone anything. If YOU don't want to be around me while I'm smoking, don't be there. You don't have to stand next to me and I don't have to move just because you're there. My drug and prostitution bit was in response to another post if you didn't pay attention.

I'm not being nonsensical, I'm being logical.

Originally posted by Oceanborn
reply to post by jtma508

 

I'm sorry but still,he wasn't informed,that was society's and maybe even his parents fault.I agree,in the age of 13 we can't hold him responsible but when we're talking about choices wobviously are not talking about kids...!
I'm 150% against cigarettes being sold to kids!!Now this is a subject that you should discuss and it deserves to be discussed.

I'm with ya on this.

Thank god we can agree on something
I think it's funny that when people have discussions on on topics they disagree on they never want to give an inch and argue stupid points. I salute you for finding common ground.

But back to my point.
I know that every kid hits a "rebellious" stage of their lives.
This is when they start to do all the things they know they are not supposed to do. Like staying out late going to party's drinking smoking pot ect ect
I just think that this is the stage when they are taken advantage of. Of course you are not supposed to speed... But we all do it, not supposed to drink...but we all do. Not supposed to cheat on taxes, but...
The big difference is nicotine is incredibly adictive. I strongly recommend some reading on just how powerfully addictive this drug is.
Basically your brain produces dopamine. When you smoke the nicotine shuts down the chemical factory in your brain that produces dopamine. In short you need the nicotine substitute to equalize your brain chemistry.
And if you started before puberty was finished. The dopamine factory's never finished developing. Do not underestimate the powerful addictiveness of this drug.
And don't blame kids for getting hooked on this product (they were all kids when they started) Put the blame where it belongs and that's with those that profit from it the most. Government first then the tobacco industry

Originally posted by NativeAmerican
It's obviously evident the people that say she killed herself have actually never been addicted to cigarettes to begin with. Recent studies from leaders in addictive research have shown nicotine to be more addicting than heroine. Don't believe me. Do a Google search.
I suppose my friends that began smoking in 3rd grade knew well of the risks

[edit on 27-1-2009 by NativeAmerican]

Well I have been smoking since I was 15 years old(I am 28 now)..I smoked while in school, I smoked while I was in the Marines, and I am still smoking.

I started at a pack a day, than wound up smokin 2 packs a day. Only the past couple years have I been smokin only a pack again(even thats a lot). So while I respect your google skills, Statistics arent everything my friend. The only true person that can know about addiction, is the person addicted to it, while others just 'think' that they know. Smoking cigarettes is addictive just the way hard drugs are addicted I.E smoking Meth, Crack.

Im sure you have heard the saying ..
"Guns dont kill people, People kill people" well its the same with cigarettes.
And if we put a cigarette to our mouth and start smoking, well then we are only pulling the triggers to our own heads.
You cant blame the gun manufacturer for making the gun, cause all you would have done was find another way.

The majority of smokers dont smoke because they HAVE to smoke, they smoke because they think that they like to smoke. They think that when they wake up in the morning, that they need that cigarette(eventhough its all in the mind).

I feel bad for people that lose their lives over cigarettes, but in the end, they are the ones who pulled the trigger, not the people who make em.
Point is, lots of things can harm you, but its your choice whether or not you allow them to.

Do a google search.

reply to post by Mynaeris


I didn't say that you're affecting my health.
Indeed,we do affect the people around us but there are things much worse and i dont' see any fuss about them.
If we'll only consider vehicles,their polution is worse...!Other than that,we have the accidents too and they can affect others with an even worse that cigarettes do.These days,a truck driver here lost the control of the vehicle and killed an old lady along with her little grand daughter.

Why cigarettes are worse than vehicles?


Btw,there are more than just that,i'm just talking about vehicles so we both wont have to write huge replies.

Originally posted by Mynaeris

Originally posted by BlesUTP
reply to post by Mynaeris

 

i never walked past you before

and i have respect for other people, i dont smoke indoors i go outside. its not hard to not be an a-hole

Smokers I dislike most are:

Smokers who smoke just outside the doors of stores and malls.

"Polite" smokers who walk down the street and turn away from their companion to exhale and blow it into your face instead.

Smokers who insist on standing in line smoking so that everybody else can inhale their smoke.

Smoking parents who smoke while handling their infants.

Smoking parents with children with asthma who won't quit.

I think thats a good start - there are more if you would like me to continue.

And non-smokers I hate the most are the ones who act like they have just been exposed to nerve gas if they even get a slight whiff of a cigarette.

NEWSFLASH: Lung cancer caused by cigarettes is brought on by PROLONGED exposure to cigarette smoke in heavy concentrations. i.e. you put it in your face, light it, and inhale for about 20 years. then worry about lung cancer. your inhaling worse pollutants in the air than a 5 second exposure to cigs.

you dont like people smoking by the door? then give them an area to smoke in! its not that hard. And before you go off ranting about how you shouldnt have to spend your tax money on such a thing, smokers whouldnt have to pay for your kids education either.

reply to post by Oceanborn



When I was a diplomatic cadet I went to the Brazilian Embassy in Paris where we asked the ambassador about the destruction of the Amazon Forest - his answer was that America shouldn't complain about what they are doing in the Amazon instead they should be more concerned about Yellowstone. When we asked about the killing of street children - he said they were like vermin and a problem to society.

The point I am making it doesn't help saying well there is this problem and that one so my addition shouldn't be a problem.

reply to post by Wildbob77

Agreed totally, it's actually illegal here in NY for a minor (under 19) to possess any sort tobacco product, but like most laws it is not enforced.

Personally, if the government instituted an all out ban on all tobacco products (like what is being pushed for in some European nations) I for one would not feel the least bit upset. I saw two grandparents die from cancer (my grandfather from smoking and the his wife, my grandmother from second hand smoke) and that was more then enough to turn me against tobacco.

reply to post by foremanator


If i'm agreeing with something i'm sure gonna say it...!

Indeed,many teens do get in this whole thing just to be rebellious or whatever but i can't put the whole blame on the industries.On this one i'd say the blame is 50% for each side.
Personally,i started from pure curiosity.Younger i was a fanatic anti-smoker,i was even a bit represing to my parents.There were a couple of times that friends of mine would offer me but i wouldn't even think about it.
Then,one night,i just had to taste it....and here i am...!

Like in many subjects,in this one too i believe we need to talk about the parents,teachers etc too.
I mean,i wasn't something special,i wasn't an indigo child (LOL) but i did reject any offer like that.

reply to post by TasteTheMagick


Wait I should go and stand somewhere else so you can participate in an antisocial activity? Being a non-smoker isn't in any way injurious to your health so don't try and explain that it's actually my complaining that is the problem. I do however feel you will continue the debate with more of the same.

reply to post by ChrisF231


If the government instituted an all out ban, you'd have the same problems we had with prohibition. You're making something illegal that needs not be and making criminals out of behavior that's not a problem.

reply to post by Mynaeris


Fine by me but still,it's about priorities.Somehow something less dangerous gets higher on the list of priorities.

You really have to admit that vehicles polute more and cause more deaths.It's just that everybody uses them so they pretend to be blind on this subject.Something that you think i shouldn't do about cigarettes.

reply to post by TasteTheMagick


For whom is it not a problem? I have no problem with you a million other smokers sitting in a room designated for smokers smoking till your little lungs turn to tar? But I don't believe you have the right to inflict your addictive behavior on me and other non-smokers and the children in your environment.

Originally posted by foremanator
Well in that case. We should legalize heroine and crack. Why not? We could tax them, and pay of the national deficit a lot quicker. Neither are as addictive as nicotine. And well lets face it. If you are dumb enough to start it would be your own fault...right?

I've never known of anyone who smoked cigarettes that committed burglaries or violent crimes to support their habit.. Have you? You're comparing apples and oranges here..

reply to post by Mynaeris


It's not a problem for anyone. You aren't allowed to designate what can and can not be done in free public space outside. The only way you or other people are going to be seriously effected by my smoking is if you stand in the middle of me and a number of other smokers every time we smoke and inhale every little bit of smoke you can for about 40 years.

You're not going to die just because you breathe in a tiny bit of smoke.

reply to post by Oceanborn


I am all for the Amish way of life. Horse carts and telephone booths by the roadside. Don't even get me started on cellphone users!!! I guess there is only one thing worse than a smoker and that's one shouting out the odds on the cellphone while smoking next to you in the line waiting to buy movie tickets!