Reincarnation exists, but with a twist

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
reply to post by asmeone2

 

I've thought that before myself that it would fabulous to be a bird!

not chicken though! , one that gets to fly around between continents !

I would love that! I bet birds are really happy creatures!

At least not an industrially raised chicken.

I am partial to birds of prey; I like to go outside and observe and I "know" all the fellows in my neighborhood.

reply to post by asmeone2

we have alot of them here but they have to kill things and eat roadkill
I think maybe a goose or a swan ,one of those beautiful Black ones!

I always loved them

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
reply to post by asmeone2

 

we have alot of them here but they have to kill things and eat roadkill
I think maybe a goose or a swan ,one of those beautiful Black ones!

I always loved them

Well, we all have to kill things to eat... most of us just don;t do it ourselves.

I like vultures, they do not kill what they eat, in fact do an important service in keeping the wild clean, and do not even build nests. So they are almost like environmentally invisible animals, and very nice to watch flying.

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
I can't speak to that ,I'm sure I've never been alive before this life

Well I never asked you too...

But regardless how can you be so sure? I have no idea, and will not form an opinion because I simply don't know either way, and neither do you.

BTW you should actually look at some past life stories, they're not all Cleopatra.

But I was just refuting the idea that if reincarnation is a fact you'd go to another planet. I might even believe Earth is actually hell and we keep coming back here because that's where you go when you don't graduate to heaven. But who knows?

I've been thinking that lately also, Earth could be hell or maybe purgatory.

Ah,I don't think earth is Hell . I think Earth is beautiful and perfect and we ,Human Societies just make things to complicated and don't appreciate what we have . We aren't evolved enough in enough numbers to make the necessary adjustments to how we do things ,or correct our collective mistakes

the world is fine ,we're the ones screwing everything up for ourselves

I don't think you need to reincarnate a bunch of times to figure that out

reply to post by Deus Ex Machina 42


I believe some of the information (or images) from previous lives in other worlds can and DOES "seep through". A few years back I had a dream. My memory of it lasts a grand total of maybe 15-20 seconds, but I remember every detail so vividly that it's haunted me for years. The colors, the atmosphere, the different orbs in the sky, everything. I've tried to recreate it, in drawings, thru Photoshop...I would love nothing better than to merely glimpse it again, even for a moment. But my hands just won't let me remake the scene. Perhaps another "fail-safe"???

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I would put that in the other universes

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
Ah,I don't think earth is Hell . I think Earth is beautiful and perfect and we ,Human Societies just make things to complicated and don't appreciate what we have . We aren't evolved enough in enough numbers to make the necessary adjustments to how we do things ,or correct our collective mistakes
the world is fine ,we're the ones screwing everything up for ourselves
I don't think you need to reincarnate a bunch of times to figure that out

Well you seem to know all and have your mind made up huh? I wish I had your insights into the unknown...

The world is perfect eh? You ever actually take a good look at nature? It might seem nice and 'pretty' on the surface but think about the life of a Gazel on the African planes for example. Would life be so beautiful if you spent your whole life looking over your shoulder for lions?

Remember Satan is the great deceiver. What better hell than somewhere that looks like heaven?

Yes we are screwing things up big time, those that control things and those that close their minds to things they don't understand. Closing your mind to the unknown opens you up for deception.

Golly ANOK just sharing it the way I see it,I don't know why but a huge amount of my last post is missing! umm.

Anyway ANOK, I have no problems with nature ,I'm not crazy about cockroaches and mosquitoes ,I'll admit but I have accepted the things as they are, are here for a reason.

I can't pretend I know what that would be

We did a study when we were in school about reincarnation. So as a joke we came up with the idea that the last thing you saw before you died was what you would come back as. So if you died close to a field and you saw a horse then died you would come back as a horse. We were having fun talking about it. And what we would want to come back as. So when Proffesor Smith came through he asked what we were talking about and we told him. A bit later his wife walked in and he says hemroid. We all got a good laugh and she whispered something to him and he says no honey when you died you saw a hemroid because your a major pain in the A$$. I didnt think we would ever quit laughing.

I oved the classroom story!
I'm sure that's exactly how it works too!

One thing that doesn't seem logical to me is this:

Our souls are composed of energy, if that energy does pass on to another life form fine.. all is good and well. But how does it pass on to another galaxy and such. Wouldn't the energy remain here on earth and pass on to new life forms here on earth?

maybe my thinking is just too conventional, but the question is, how does that energy travel such vast distances, and even after travelling, how does it know where other life may be?

Originally posted by kreese
Our souls are composed of energy

The soul is not composed of energy it HAS energy. Energy is not physical, it's a concept.

Energy is just work of certain force. It is not a physical thing, just a term for the potential to work. That's why it cannot be destroyed, only changed. The soul (if it exists) only has energy when it has the capacity to produce work, due to being fed by the body, once the body is dead it dissipates that energy into other forms, such as heat during decomposition.

Energy is not physical, so it has no conscience to be able to take itself anywhere.

If the spiritual life is true then it must abide by a completely different set of physical laws than we have in the physical realm. Trying to prove an after life using earthly physics just doesn't work.

But you're right, that energy stays right here on Earth.

reply to post by Deus Ex Machina 42

Hey there, anything with 'reincarnation' in the title usually grabs my attention. And I have to say it's good to hear some variation on a theme.

Personally I believe - because of my own experiences and those of some of my clients - that reincarnation is a result of more than one senario eg; a soul being reborn into a different time ... I agree that it can also include a different place / planet / universe and so on.

Woody

Does reincarnation exist?

Hmmm, okay let's look at this from a more scientific side. Let's assume (and this is the key pillar of all beliefs) that the soul exists. If a soul exists then it has to be made out of energy, regardless wether we can read it or not, if something exists it ultimatly is based out of energy (matter is in fact nothing more then stuff made out of energetic forces).

If we believe souls exist and thus are made out of some form of energy we can apply the basic laws of physics. For instance the laws of physics say that energy does not go to waste. As such reincarnation is possible (yet less possible then the dissolving of the human spiritual energy in the vast energy the universe contains from itself.

If life on other planets is possible (while not proven the chance is so big it is almost factual) then reincarnation in beings other then human or even earth based is possible as well. I'm not going into the difficulty of leaping such vast differences thou if I use the strings theories around there it is possible in a relative short timespan.

It's a rather long shot, but I guess it is possible. To prove it you actually need to be capable of measuring spiritual energy. there are lots of people claiming that they can; Think of aura's, aura-photographs and of course the infamous Scientology Church. In the end it is either unprovable and semi-scientific stuff or a big imagination till someone manages to get actual prove.


Of course, that comes from someone who's believes are based on simular principles by making a soulbound contract with one that spend 15.000 years of reincarnating on earth in humans. (I still say Constantinople instead of Instanbul even after 500 years have passed for him) Anyway's until there is no prove I fit in with the lot of insanes and con-artist I guess.

[edit on 26-1-2009 by AncientShade]

reply to post by Evasius


Hmm, Perhaps, although I would say this 'quantum entanglement' happens like this:
Our thoughts create patterns of energy emissions that go out in to the universe like radio waves, any brain of a similar structure to the one that originally produced those thoughts would be able to pick up on the resonance of the original thoughts.

Originally posted by 420prajna
reply to post by Evasius

 

Hmm, Perhaps, although I would say this 'quantum entanglement' happens like this:
Our thoughts create patterns of energy emissions that go out in to the universe like radio waves, any brain of a similar structure to the one that originally produced those thoughts would be able to pick up on the resonance of the original thoughts.

Don't know about that. Assuming that my experience can be relied on I would say this:

Energy has a frequency and amplitude, so souls that are close to energy must have too. I cannot speak out of experiance of actual reincarnation into an empty shell. But, IF i'm not insane (that's a big if ) then when a soul wants to coincide with another soul inside the same shell, it needs to have more or less the same frequency and amplitude otherwise it won't work. Why? well, amplitude is less important (I guess that would be dominance) but a difference in frequency would cause inbalance. (like two different frequencies of current can cause a weakening or disturbed effect)

I would guess (but this is a guess I cannot prove) that a body would have to be capable of maintaining a simular frequency and amplitude to the signature of the soul. I'm not shure because I know !@&# about empty shelled bodies since I can't remember much from birth (I was born sleeping)

[edit on 26-1-2009 by AncientShade]

Originally posted by AncientShade
Does reincarnation exist?
Hmmm, okay let's look at this from a more scientific side. Let's assume (and this is the key pillar of all beliefs) that the soul exists. If a soul exists then it has to be made out of energy, regardless wether we can read it or not, if something exists it ultimatly is based out of energy (matter is in fact nothing more then stuff made out of energetic forces).

That's not quite right. Energy is just a concept, it's what WE call the ability to do work. So matter is not made of energy, matter exists because it HAS energy, the ability to do work.

So no the soul is not, and does not, need to be made of energy. If it exists then it HAS energy, whether it can maintain that energy once the body dies is the question. In our physical realm it is impossible for energy to exist without matter.

So, 'the soul must live on because energy can't be destroyed', is not based on any real physics of this world. In other words it's bunk....

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by AncientShade
Does reincarnation exist?
Hmmm, okay let's look at this from a more scientific side. Let's assume (and this is the key pillar of all beliefs) that the soul exists. If a soul exists then it has to be made out of energy, regardless wether we can read it or not, if something exists it ultimatly is based out of energy (matter is in fact nothing more then stuff made out of energetic forces).

That's not quite right. Energy is just a concept, it's what WE call the ability to do work. So matter is not made of energy, matter exists because it HAS energy, the ability to do work.

So no the soul is not, and does not, need to be made of energy. If it exists then it HAS energy, whether it can maintain that energy once the body dies is the question. In our physical realm it is impossible for energy to exist without matter.

So, 'the soul must live on because energy can't be destroyed', is not based on any real physics of this world. In other words it's bunk....

Does it really matter wether a soul is energy or has to have energy to exist? If it has no energy no action can be taken. If you assume it can undertake action without enrergy you are breaking some laws of physics. I am going out from the laws of physics to prevent floaty aired fantasy taking over the discussion. Call me closed mind, but reincarnation is already edgy, I do not want to push it over the edge by thinking outside the box in a way that cannot be proven. It is the limit I set to trusting my own reasoning. I'm okay thou if you grow outside those limits for you you are not me.