Avalon – Gateway to Annwn – Celtic Underworld 'Land of the Dead' believed found.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf.... but for such a small population wales has had a profound impact on the world,

Don't forget Charles Darwin!

What if that is where it all began, we may never know!

Originally posted by MischeviousElfNo we didn't go to the moon but for other people some information about this country that many don't know because of the editing of History

History edits itself in addition to the versions of the conquerors. We continually reinterpret history to match our current understanding of the world.

Now, how can you be so sure such an outlandish proposition (tossed out into here by the Englishman in a spirit of sarcasm) did not occur? It may in fact actually be the case when we discard our preconceived notions based upon our current history.

What happened to "traveling without moving"? In a materialistic culture such as ours is now, notions of meditation is chalked up to imagination and not considered to be reality. What if there were a time when dreams and the inward reality were considered more real than the materialistic one?

I believe, as a people, if we open up our minds, then the door to Avalon will open. That is the key.

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Good post MischeviousElf

Vey, very good post! Starred

Double post MOD please delete

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Good post MischeviousElf

Very, very good post! Starred

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Not many people know that or that St Patrick is also a WELSHMAN who went and converted the Irish

Yes, but Patrick was also a SLAVE captured by the Irish, as before England rose to power the Irish took Brits as slaves.



Anywho, my point being is like Stu says, we are all interlocked in some way, even our proud histories are not exactly "exclusive".

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Exactly - please keep on topic. Any rivalry is now played out not with spears or blades but rugby This isn't a rugby thread.

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That is my point too. We have taken the first step when we begin to see ourselves as one people.

The next step is to open the "doors of perception". What better way than by the arts?

Then what our esteemed OP discovers, we will be able to understand, and more importantly, to participate in opening the door to Avalon.

I think everyone in this thread is playing a vital role, and something great can come of this.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf...I will Add more on the Arthurian Info and further examples of the underworld and Welsh archeology over the weekend,

I am looking forwards to it.

We are looking forwards to it, Right?

do you think earth will collapse like the house in poltergeist?

Originally posted by emergency
do you think earth will collapse like the house in poltergeist?

No, but our ideas might.

And that kind of change is the kind I like!

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He escorted the souls of the dead there, and led a pack of supernatural hounds.

Perhaps that is where the saying "the world has gone to the dogs" comes from. Also, people who do sorcery deal with the underworld and I have read that is where the saying that a "dog is man's best friend" comes from also. People use sayings, but, have forgotten the origins and the meaning of them, or it could be that senses are dulled from the repetition of it.

Also, from Matthew 15:
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.






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This may be so Siren, however I would like you to consider that it is the Hell hounds that drive the lost to righteousness.

It is a theme echoed by all mainstream religions, and in fact may serve as a story element to the same.

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well harlech which isnt too far away from snowdonia has the oldest exposed rock in the world!

Naaaaaa!
The oldest rocks in the world are found in Greenland, and are ~4.5 billion years old, according to testing on contained zircon crystals.
The oldest CONFIRMED rocks are to be found in Canada, and are the very famous Acasta gneiss, dated at 4.2 billion (very early precambrian).
The oldest rocks found at Snowdon are late precambrian.

OH, I found this awesome article on the history of Wales:
www.valleystream.co.uk...

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Originally posted by Flux8
Gates, portals, dimensions, etc. Do you think you'd recognize one if you saw it? IF you have one or access to one, take an EM detector and magnetic compass, and use them relatively frequently. If they start going crazy during your search, listen closely for any high pitched noise or pulsing. If you hear it or you start to feel dizzy, lightheaded, a tightening in your chest, etc, it's probably NOT heart troubles and I'd get the hell out of there if I were you. You think gates aren't guarded? Good luck in your pursuit, and I am GREATLY looking forward to your next report! And those pictures are absolutely beautiful!

(sorry for my bad grammar, I'm still working on my first cup of coffee).

I agree. And just to stress your point I will share this. On my trip through California I visited the Mystery Spot. I would never claim that is is a gate or whatever, but gravity sure behaves strange there. Balls rolling up, leaning forward when you think you upstraight. And yes my compass was off a whole 90 degrees. Is it is simple measurable, and yes, still a mystery.



The Mystery Spot site


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There may be a myriad of effects witnessed at so-called "gravity hills", but the concept is one of an optical illusion when applied to thing "moving uphill" as if gravity is working in the opposite direction to which we expect.

Some chap has produced a great summary of "gravity hills" at this link, also including some site references that can be visited:

everything2.com...

The other physical anomalies maybe due to magnetic rocks etc., however, the direction of "down" for gravity still remains the norm, it is just perception that is "off".

A nice effect though.

if you had been up halkyn mountain in the snow you too would think its the worlds end

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From my own readings on Celtic mythologies, I do not see a defined sense of "hell" in their belief systems. Not in the way Christians view the concept of Hell, which was, imo, a term and ideology invented by the institutions of power to create a submissive and controlling domination of the ignorant populace. While the concepts of good and evil existed, there was not a defined border of where "good" souls and "bad" souls went. In fact, I would go as far as to say that the Christian defined hell is a perverted spin off of Greek and Roman mythology of the underworld, combined with Jewish teachings.

In Gaelic mythology the concept of Arawn's "hell" hounds (hell, a word not found in ancient gaelic languages) was simply to track and find as well as guide lost souls.. lost for a variety of reasons. Not punishment as we see in Christian mythology.

Take a look at the direct origins of the word Hell, as it is a good insight to the perversion of intermixing religions and languages, leading to a hybrid religion that meshed to many mythologies together:

Hell comes to us directly from Old English hel. Because the Roman Church prevailed in England from an early date, the Roman—that is, Mediterranean—belief that hell was hot prevailed there too; in Old English hel is a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned. But because the Vikings were converted to Christianity centuries after the Anglo-Saxons, the Old Norse hel, from the same source as Old English hel, retained its earlier pagan senses as both a place and a person. As a place, hel is the abode of oathbreakers, other evil persons, and those unlucky enough not to have died in battle. It contrasts sharply with Valhalla, the hall of slain heroes. Unlike the Mediterranean hell, the Old Norse hel is very cold. Hel is also the name of the goddess or giantess who presides in hel, the half blue-black, half white daughter of Loki and the giantess Angrbotha. The Indo-European root behind these Germanic words is *kel-, "to cover, conceal" (so hell is the "concealed place"); it also gives us hall, hole, hollow, and helmet.

dictionary.reference.com...

The Christian concept may also come from the Zoroastrianism religion.

Zoroastrianism has historically suggested several possible fates for the wicked, including annihilation, purgation in molten metal, and eternal punishment, all of which have standing in Zoroaster's writings. Zoroastrian eschatology includes the belief that wicked souls will remain in hell until, following the arrival of three saviors at thousand-year intervals, Ahura Mazda reconciles the world, destroying evil and resurrecting tormented souls to perfection.[10] The sacred Gathas mention a “House of the Lie″ for those “that are of an evil dominion, of evil deeds, evil words, evil Self, and evil thought, Liars.”[11] However, the only Zoroastrian text that describes hell in detail is the Book of Arda Viraf.[12] It depicts particular punishments for particular sins -- for instance, being trampled by cattle as punishment for neglecting the needs of work animals

en.wikipedia.org...

If you are a believer as I am that Christianity and the sect of Jews that created the foundations of this religion where in some way directly related to Zoroastrianism.

Sadly because Christians destroyed what little sacred text of the Old Religions of the Celtic world, we don't really know much about it. Equally sad is that the few remaining descriptions of the religions where written down by Christian monks and often manipulated or transformed into Christian stories. One world destroying another.

Originally posted by vonspurter
While remaining on topic of ancient Celts and the Land of the Dead. Just 1 mile from me (yes I am lucky!) is an ancient burial chamber over 4,500 years old called Barclodiad y Gawres.

A truly fascinating and beautiful place, situated in a mound atop a cliff surrounding a bay on the West coast of Anglesey. What makes this so special is although the chamber itself is locked, anyone can obtain the key on weekends and go inside - it is breathtaking, magical and a truly spiritual experience.

The newly revealed carving at Barclodiad y Gawres, a chevron design pecked into the rock with a stone chisel, brings to six the number of decorated slabs with lozenges, cupmarks, concentric circles and spirals in a tomb already regarded as one of the most spectacularly decorated prehistoric burial monuments in Britain

External Source

I know a lot of Americans heading over to Ireland get the train to Holyhead to catch the Irish ferry to Dublin - well that train has just whizzed you past all the sites you have seen on this thread - Next time you may do well to stop!

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Wow, did you see my earlier link:

www.louistalboys.com...


The resemblance to your mounds and to those at newgrange and dowth are strikingly similar. Is your thread connecting dots or what?

www.knowth.com...

Brilliant thread btw )

Originally posted by coven
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"This has been playing on my mind today, since they found Eden"


Do WHAT?

sorry, I've never heard of this happening and would love to see some source information on that.

I posted some information on it a while back.

Originally posted by becomingaware
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Here is the image of the last coordinates that you gave. Not sure what it is but there you go. Welcome to ATS

oops, didn't see that

conspiracy emergency over, i found out they are actually cuts in the heather to enable new shoots to grow.

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Maggots??