flase prophet is a cloned humanbeen

Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by NightSkyeB4Dawn

 

Satan was a product of God

The question isn't, would God allow a person to be born without a soul,
would he allow man that much freedom to try and be God and produce a being without a soul?

It again makes for a sticky wicket. If God made Satan than Satan is of God. If Satan is or creates an anti-Christ then it would have to be of God the same way our children are of God through us.

Now I guess you could say that if God did not give Satan a soul and Satan produced a child (the anti-Christ) it would have to be cloned to be soulless like Satan himself because if he made this being with a human female then the child would have a soul by benefit of the mother.

So I guess that would fit the scenario that the OP suggests.

Then the question would have to be who is Satan and who is his clone?

When talking about souls ect.... we can only guess as none of us really know.
with that in mind, could we imagine that there are souls all ready to come to earth in a host body, A woman gets pregnant and the soul arrives, reguardless of AI or Invitro.
It is the souls choice, now what if a clone of a human is produced, and no soul wants to inhabit what it believes is an abomination af creation, It may still have life, yet be void of all of what makes us human.

When talking about souls, we already have some who possibly don't have a soul, Cheney springs to mind

Originally posted by munkey66
When talking about souls ect.... we can only guess as none of us really know.
with that in mind, could we imagine that there are souls all ready to come to earth in a host body, A woman gets pregnant and the soul arrives, reguardless of AI or Invitro.
It is the souls choice, now what if a clone of a human is produced, and no soul wants to inhabit what it believes is an abomination af creation, It may still have life, yet be void of all of what makes us human.

When talking about souls, we already have some who possibly don't have a soul, Cheney springs to mind

You made me choke on my tea with that one. I could add a few but that would take me too far off post.

I don't know if this link has already been posted or not, but, here.

reply to post by helloblaine

That is an old link, it wanted him born By December 25 2001
Plus where are they going to get a cell from Jesus?

www.snopes.com...

The Second Coming Project was a hoax.


And before everybody gets too far downstream on the argument of whether a clone has a soul, shouldn't the existence of said soul be proven first?

And to get back on topic..who is the (alleged) clone?

False prophet ?

Show me the 'true' one.

May be hes talking about Obama !!!!

My question is where is the OP? UH, he left us high and dry.
but, i would like to put in my two cents concerning the artificial inseminated babies. i was a test tube baby. yes i have a soul. i'll be signing autographs till eleven folks. oh wait, jesus called, yeah my clone friend, he's hispanic so he could fit in with a name like jesus, dont want anyone finding out he says yep, he has a soul, he's pretty sure, cause he chose poptarts over toaster strudels this morning


Love and Peace

Would they have a soul? How would you know?

I've certainly never heard any proof there is such a thing as a soul (I'm not saying there isn't) so how could anyone tell? The point that was made about lacking 'the energy' or whatever is (as has been said) a bit of a new age idea with no real basis in fact. The clone would still have electrical impulses coursing through their body, so how could you tell the difference? I know some people believe animals have no soul, but Dolly the sheep, those cloned puppies and cloned lab mice seem to get around o.k. I would assume a cloned human would be the same. So unless the clone starts ritually slaughtering people in the name of Satan I see no way anyone could tell it was the Anti-Christ. Well, unless it gradually became apparent he was bringing around WWIII, and then it would probably be too late to do anything about it...

Anyway, just my opinion on the whole cloned Anti-Christ thing. I don't actually believe a word of it anyway, just making a point...

There is a difference between a conscience and a soul.

Every person has a soul.Some are just extremely damaged and pained.Just my thoughts.

Originally posted by sotp
The clone would still have electrical impulses coursing through their body, so how could you tell the difference? I know some people believe animals have no soul, but Dolly the sheep, those cloned puppies and cloned lab mice seem to get around o.k. I would assume a cloned human would be the same.

you are saying what most believe and that is animals don't have souls and thats what seperates man from beast.
So using sheep or puppies as an example is wrong because they have no soul to begin with, humans on the other hand do.

People would argue we have a soul from reports of near death experiences ect...., we cannot speak for animals.
The only animals which show signs of self are primates and dolphins, so cloning either of these may give a spark or idea about the soul and self.

Wow... Nice.

Please refrain from posting such stupid threads, well unless HE really believes in it... We all are entitled to our opinions I guess.

Originally posted by Nemo001
Would a cloned person have a soul? If not you would have the perfect Antichrist.

Since people don't have a soul to begin with, the answer is no.

The
OP just might be using the concept of 'cloning' as the explaination
of the Revelation prophecy concerning the Presence Into The World of the 'false Prophet'...

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

It is widly recognized that the 2nd beast, aka: false prophet/anti-christ,
...is not born of woman...but 'comes out of the Earth'...

to my mind this might be accomplished by taking out the nuclear DNA
out of a human Egg, then inserting a specialized & genitically engineered
nucleus into the Egg, a Petri Dish life would come about... then a
artificial insemmenation procedure into a human host to carry the
zygot to term. The above is using an older technology procedure...

the 'ideal' characteristics of this person-to-be might include multi-racial
traits, but without the genetic bad things such as Tay-Sachs or Sickel-Cell-Anemia .. etc, etc
(or the other +1,000 ethnic or racial maladies in the human populations)
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Or, in the second place, the OP, act of 'cloning'... might have a basis in the
'creation' of an Image of the 1st beast...which is given 'Life' by the power
of the false-prophet

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So, in our thought models, the Image (or re-creation) of the 1st beast,
might be a quick grown, clone or android, looking like the great leader who was slain some time before the 2nd beast gave that Image Life & Speach.

But also the 2nd beast, who was brought up from the earth...
iow; was not divinely bestowed with a natural birth,
was him/it/her self, created by human scientists using a voted on
DNA/genetic sequence to produce a 'Ideal' person (who then goes Bad)
much like the fall of Lucifer, into Satan

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Which brings us to this question; just whom is the Name/Mark/Number
representative of? the original 1st beast from the Sea?
OR, the 'Image'/ 'clone' which was given Life & Speach by the false-prophet?
OR, the 2nd beast, from out of the Land, who is properly the false-prophet
Aaka; the end-times anti-christ?

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

i don't think anything is resolved from the above, but it was engaging....
thanks,

reply to post by ThreeNF


Hmm a definative statement.

I came across an experiment a while back where people who were terminal patients agreed to be weighed during their last moments.

It was found that there was a great difference in weight after the person had passed away that couldn't be accounted for (as all fluids etc that would normally leave the body ended up on the scales - not effecting the overal weight).

If memory recalls the only thing that couldn't be accounted for would be the air in the persons lungs, but such was the large loss of weight, there was still something not being accounted for.

A link I found to this is as follows: Link

Good times

reply to post by ZoneX


It seems like this is bordering on the Descartes 'mind body problem'.
www.iscid.org...

They physically manufacture a 'person' and at the same time it is assumed that this person also has the same immaterial 'existence' to us non clones. This may suggest that the mind/immaterialness stems from DNA... Rather than creating a new soul/consciousness perhaps once the clone is alive it has access to the greater collective consciousness?

I wouldn't be surprised if a human has already been cloned. Maybe funded by some rich celebrity who has an interest in sci fi. I know if I were as rich as Abramovitch or Bill Gates I'd be conducting lots of crazy research. Great Scot!

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reply to post by St Udio


"Hal open the port doors." "Open the port doors Hal".

I don’t think that we have anyone to open the port doors. The last video I saw of Jules has him ready to pull the plug on the earth so our gooses may already be cooked.

What they have been able to do with artificial intelligence and with androids is down right scary. They could be among us and we might not even know. Heck they could even be running our government. It might explain some of the mess we are in and some of the asinine things that our government officials do and say.

reply to post by farther84

If memory recalls the only thing that couldn't be accounted for would be the air in the persons lungs, but such was the large loss of weight, there was still something not being accounted for.

For sure I could be talking drivvle but surely the air would have no effect on the weight? Air in lungs, air out of lungs, no problem.

Who could science clone that people would not know immediately once brought before the world? I would say that the clone could be somebody like Mahatmas Ghandi or Mother Theresa but those two figures would be easily recognized as clones. So if we had ambitions of cloning an Anti Christ who could we choose that has a peaceful history that people would not recognize upon site? What if the Anti Christ was a genetically altered hybrid. Say a mix of Adolf Hitler and Ghandi? Probably not likely but I would not rule out some hybrid creation.

Now, what if the Anti Christ was born to American parents but due to either adoption or the parents death the child was raised as a Muslim? The child would be partially raised in Persia but at some point come to America and get his/her education and learn the way of the infidel. This child would grow to prominence in the country him/her calls home and at some point become a beloved figure that the world would trust. At some point that trust would lead people to their own demise.

I don't think Obama is the Anti Christ because too many people are open to the idea of him as such. The Anti Christ will sneak up on all of us and most will not be aware of the dark fate of the world due to this person.

Just my ideas and thought on who the Anti Christ might be. It is fun to speculate but whoever he/she is, none of us that know will ever convince those that love him/her that the Anti Christ is this person they love.