Russell Tice, Former NSA analyst on countdown

Russell Tice, Former NSA analyst on countdown

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Well the worst has been confirmed. Russell Tice says NSA listened to damn near everything we americans said, by phone, e-mail, etc.. here's a link:
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After seeing this I went ton the NSA website and filed a FOIA request on any activities they may have engaged in regarding myself, you may want to do the same, www.nsa.gov...
This really pisses me off..


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damn, screwed this up-mods, delete if you have to, not intentional..

There needs to be investigations on every network Anchor and journalist.

These are the real terrorists that need to be stoned, beaten, and hung out to dry.

Originally posted by Cio88
There needs to be investigations on every network Anchor and journalist.

These are the real terrorists that need to be stoned, beaten, and hung out to dry.

Well, according to Tice, Journalists were a focus of surveillance. that means any journalist with a secret source? NSA knows who. think about that..

More of American rights being violated, makes me sick......really it just puts that dreadful feeling in the bottom of my gut knowing our constitution was almost completely devastated under Bush. I pray for better days ahead.

-KDial1

...if it was involved in a specific avenue of collection, it would be everything...yes....it would be everything...

Unbelievable.

Just unbelievable.



[edit on 21-1-2009 by loam]

We lost so much under the leadership of those two lunatics it is so sad. This is not the nation of freedom and privacy that I was taught about in school. I swear back in the 60's this sort of thing was fiction, it is now FACT.

Funny, there have been more than a couple of suspicious deaths mentioned on some of the websites having to do with disclosure. Now it is very clear that no one was safe talking to anyone.

I just know that things have to get better, I do think Obama is going to continue to address this sort of thing and take steps to reverse this violation of our civil rights. HE is a civil rights attorney and this is one of the main reasons I supported him, our rights are nearly gone. Hopefully he can restore some of them, if not all.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

[edit on 1/21/2009 by redhead57]

Originally posted by Cio88
There needs to be investigations on every network Anchor and journalist.

These are the real terrorists that need to be stoned, beaten, and hung out to dry.

I doubt any government of any size could possibly track the conversations or data of "near all" citizens while still maintaining it's international surveillance, and even then it still couldn't do it. The government would have to grow x100 just to keep track of half of the population. Sure they can gather data from 3rd parties on our expenditures, but other than that it's relatively impossible.

As for Keith Olberman, he's a bigot and a hypocrite, I can't stand to watch his show...I'd much rather watch Rachel Maddow than anyone on MSNBC, she is bias towards the left, but compared to Mathews and Olberman she is in the middle; not to mention she's quirky, funny, and pretty cute, though she is a lesbian. So take his show with a grain of salt, he forms his questions to get the answers he wants from his guests, so the guy could very well be out of context. He probably meant, "everything" as in they have tapped into every form of media and communication. Hardly "every" citizen; though no citizen should be tapped without a warrant.

[edit on 21-1-2009 by yellowcard]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention dragonseeker

I truly hope all of these programs are stopped and the people behind them, who ordered them are accountable.

Obama talks about transparency and trust in Government, after hearing the testimony of this man, a true Patriot, how can we trust the Government until there is accountability of things like this?!

They were specifically monitoring News organizations and Journalists, much like the CIA did back in the 70s - at least admittedly so in the Family Jewels - but I'm sure they never really stopped.

Originally posted by yellowcard
As for Keith Olberman, he's a bigot and a hypocrite, I can't stand to watch his show...I'd much rather watch Rachel Maddow than anyone on MSNBC, she is bias towards the left, but compared to Mathews and Olberman she is in the middle; not to mention she's quirky, funny, and pretty cute, though she is a lesbian.

What does that have to do with the validity and veracity of what his guest was saying? I despise Bill O'Reilly but if Russell Tice was saying this on The O'Reilly factor I would give it the same credence.

But I guess we all know that someone like Russell Tice would never be on The O'Reilly factor don't we?

Not a surprise to me, but sometimes I like to be wrong...

..damn..

Originally posted by converge

Originally posted by yellowcard
As for Keith Olberman, he's a bigot and a hypocrite, I can't stand to watch his show...I'd much rather watch Rachel Maddow than anyone on MSNBC, she is bias towards the left, but compared to Mathews and Olberman she is in the middle; not to mention she's quirky, funny, and pretty cute, though she is a lesbian.

What does that have to do with the validity and veracity of what his guest was saying? I despise Bill O'Reilly but if Russell Tice was saying this on The O'Reilly factor I would give it the same credence.

But I guess we all know that someone like Russell Tice would never be on The O'Reilly factor don't we?

Read my posts entirety, you can form questions to get answers you want out of them, but they can be out of context. A lot of talking heads use it, to put their own spin on it. Bill O'Reilly is more straight forward that Olberman, but neither are very honest at all.

[edit on 21-1-2009 by yellowcard]

thanks dragonseeker,

Originally posted by yellowcard
Read my posts entirety, you can form questions to get answers you want out of them, but they can be out of context. A lot of talking heads use it, to put their own spin on it.

I read your post entirely and the only thing I got from it is that you like to label people (bigot, hypocrite, lesbian) but unfortunately to the question I made you, I see no answer.

So I will repeat: What does the veracity of what the guest was saying have to do with Keith Olbermann, or any other host?

This man worked for the NSA and is speaking from his own experience and knowledge of what went on there, the fact that he is saying it on Countdown means absolutely nothing.

If a Jew went on a show hosted by Hitler denouncing the Holocaust, would it make it less or more true?

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Should we all revert to good old fashion letter writting to communicate with each other! Tice did.

Unfortunately, this is not all that the government (specifically the shadow government) is collecting on some, if not all, people.

Here is a link to my hypothesis of the mind monitoring system which has been overtly interacting with me daily since 2006: Military AI Supercomputer Mind Monitoring: What I have learned. I assume it is only a matter of time before the government officially discloses this system to the public.

The NSA system, which is likely connected to ECHELON, is presumably a channel for this much larger and more comprehensive system.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by tmk81]

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The government uses super computers to do their dirty work of singling out key words or phrases in every language you can imagine. Do you realize how many government agencies including military and private government contractors could have access to what you thought was your private conversations. How about the parallel government that answers to only themselves. Not to mention satellites that can pick up your conversations that can be pin pointed anywhere.

When this guy from NSA spilled the beans on everyone being under surveillance it should of came to no surprise to no one because in the name of National Security they can do anything anywhere. When they are looking for terrorist cells in the U.S. and abroad that means they have to listen to every conversation of everyone 24/7 by super computers. After 911 our rights have been infringed upon. Do I like it hell no. Were laws broken in instances I will bank on it.

Knowing it's going on is one thing.

But hearing it confirmed like this on national tv really makes the feeling set in

You know everyone on this site is in one of those "avenues" of collection.

Originally posted by Reddupo
You know everyone on this site is in one of those "avenues" of collection.

Yes, but only to make sure they don't accidentally mistake us for the real terrorists.


An interesting point that Tice mentioned was the use of 'metadata abstraction'. Think about it - how much of the information and data that you store and work with is actually unique? Most information that people collect is present in hundreds, if not thousands of place on the Internet. Thus, 'abstracting' a person's information footprint, via the use of digesting algorithms (eg, MD5) could serve a two-fold purpose - first, enable the greatly compressed storage of massive amounts of data, without redundancy, and second, automate the correlation of prorogation of information amongst various interest groups and networks.


[edit on Jan 22nd 2009 by Ian McLean]