Palestinian Terrorism: A Lie Called Freedom Fighting

reply to post by grimreaper797


Thank you for completely avoiding my point of non-violent resistance. And also another kind thanks for putting words in my mouth. Because I expose one side does not mean I support the other. I have yet to read your other post on "revisionist" Zionism.

reply to post by Founding


I didn't avoid it, I asked a question, and depending your response to that question, I would go to my next point. You didn't answer one way or the other though. I asked if you support revisionist Zionism, and you said I was putting words in your mouth.

I asked BECAUSE you talked about non violent resistance, so no I didn't ignore anything.

reply to post by GamerGal


your ingorent, Egypts weapoary is just as superior. And there is no way that the israelis could get rid of all muslims. Irans weaponry is also very good.

reply to post by magicmushroom

Originally posted by magicmushroom
What is happening in Israel has nothing to do with terrorism or anything else, that is merely the vehicle that is used to achieve a planned objective.

That objective is for the formation of a greater Israel which when completed will stretch into Iraq, SA, Syria Jordan and Eygpt. The objective is to ensure that the oil reserves come under a pro Wstern state and one controlled by the West. Without support from the West mainly the US/UK Israel would not exist today. The fact that we give so much support to the Jews is simply not a case of because we like them. they serve a purpose and that purpose is to be a bulwark between the Arab nations and the oil reserves which is the life blood of Western democracies.

The problem with that theory is that by the time it is achieved, all the oil will have been sucked out of the ground, new sources of energy developed, and all this killing will have been for naught.

The ME oil will not last forever.

How much further ahead would we have been if we had chosen peaceful methods to secure the resources in a manner that would be beneficial to all sides...

reply to post by grimreaper797

So does that mean you side with the sly violence provoking revisionist Zionists?

Pretty clear what you were trying to imply.

And I did answer your question, look again. But if you cannot find it here is my stance: no I do not side with this so-called group of people that are revising Zionism. And the reason for that is I did not know enough of about so-called Zionist revision. I have heard of Zionism, but not revisionist Zionists....

And I have no idea what you meant by your last statement.

reply to post by Founding


You said that you believe in non violent RESISTANCE, meaning to resist violence with peace. I asked that question because if you did support the violent Zionists, I would have to ask why, since you support non violent resistance.

So you don't support violence period, even in self defense.

Now that we are passed that, we can move on.

I merely wanted to clarify that you do not support the Zionists anymore than the Palestinians because your initial post came off as "I don't support Palestine, but I am not going to say anything about Israel".

So we have clarified you do not support the Palestinians, and you do not support the Israeli's equally.

In that case, we stand on the same ground there.

I have always rejected the notion that "One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's Terrorist".

For instance George Washington, was a soldier and conducted himself and his men as such. They did not strap bombs to kids, or rape and kill the women of Loyalists, or plant bombs in Paris to call attention to their "cause". The were Freedom Fighters in the true sense of the word.

Terroristic tactics became accepted during the Bolshevik Revolution and Lenin and his cohorts took great pleasure in killing innocent civilians with bombs and idiscriminate attacks. Lenin rejected the idea that anyone was innocent, until they accepted Communism. He was a Terrorist in the true meaning of that word.

The two terms have become intermingled in the years since the Bolsheviks seized power and the media has been the primary culprit in this. The MSM usually takes a side and it often sides with terrorists, whom they call freedom fighters.

It is time that we started calling a terrorist a terrorist, no matter what his political stripes.

By the way, before I get a bunch of ignorant posts about Hiroshima, Dresden, and Iraq. There is a difference between killing civilians accidentally and targeting civilians deliberately.

reply to post by grimreaper797

Pardon my butting in but you might not be on the same ground as he.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. To fully understand the current situation in Gaza we must look at the Palestinian people as an extension of the Arab nations bordering Israel. I am coming from a pragmatic and political viewpoint, void of any so-called bunk conspiracy theories (Zionism/World Jewry).

A new pathetic low. I'm going to have to report this. If you like you can start your own thread with that subject in mind.

You don't remember I posted in your so-called debunked thread. And the genetic evidence clearly states not. en.wikipedia.org...(Y-DNA) Palestinians share a closer bond with the local Arabs then they do with the Jews. Obviously not debunked.

Ignorant is you still not backing down in face of GENETIC evidence. I am sorry but what more can I say to you. The facts speak for themselves. The people currently living in the westbank and gaza are Arabs politically and genetically. Would you like me to re-post the GENETIC EVIDENCE for you again? And I do not appreciate your ad hominem attacks they are pathetic and hypocritical.

This poster is under the impression that there are NO PALESTINIANS WHATSOEVER. I would imagine that nothing has changed based on that point of view.
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reply to post by Jinni


OK, I watched your video. Selected excerpts from a Pro-Israel demonstration in New York.

You realize of course that the same could be done at any one of the Pro-Hamas demonstrations held around the world? You know the ones where they put the green headbands on the kids that said "Death to Israel". I find that equally disturbing. I am always against the use of kids for propaganda purposes.

reply to post by lunarminer


So let me summarize this for you.

Both sides in this conflict are Terrorists.

We good?

Originally posted by lunarminer
I have always rejected the notion that "One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's Terrorist".

For instance George Washington, was a soldier and conducted himself and his men as such. They did not strap bombs to kids, or rape and kill the women of Loyalists, or plant bombs in Paris to call attention to their "cause". The were Freedom Fighters in the true sense of the word.

Terroristic tactics became accepted during the Bolshevik Revolution and Lenin and his cohorts took great pleasure in killing innocent civilians with bombs and idiscriminate attacks. Lenin rejected the idea that anyone was innocent, until they accepted Communism. He was a Terrorist in the true meaning of that word.

The two terms have become intermingled in the years since the Bolsheviks seized power and the media has been the primary culprit in this. The MSM usually takes a side and it often sides with terrorists, whom they call freedom fighters.

It is time that we started calling a terrorist a terrorist, no matter what his political stripes.

By the way, before I get a bunch of ignorant posts about Hiroshima, Dresden, and Iraq. There is a difference between killing civilians accidentally and targeting civilians deliberately.

The revolutionaries like Washington are in fact considered to be TERRORISTS by the USA GOV



Also the Revolutionaries use gorilla warfare since it was superior.

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


So some of his history is wrong, and he has some facts mixed up, we still stand on the moral ground that both sides are wrong. That using violence to get what you want is wrong. That taking stuff by force is wrong.

Fact is, the Palestinians ARE just like the Jordan people, the Syrian people, and even somewhat the Egyptian people. That doesn't mean that the people who are in Palestine aren't Palestinians. They are Arabs, which is the point I think he was getting at.

Palestinian is not its own religion or race, they are Arabs and they are Muslim. Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. they are all Arab and Muslim for the most part. That doesn't mean an Iraqi is a Syrian. Just like a Palestinian isn't a Syrian, nor is a Palestinian an Israeli.

A Palestinian is somebody who lives on the land that was designated by Britain after World War 1 to be under a government called the Palestinian government. This was what was intended, and that should be understood. The state of Israel was never intended to exist by Britain nor any nation, until after World War 2 when decades of conflict and history made the situation impossible for their not to be a state of Israel.

As far as I am concerned, anyone living in Israel, Gaza, or West bank, is living in Palestine, because according to history, when the Ottoman empire was broken apart, that entire land mass was Palestine, and intended to be run by an independent Palestinian government.

reply to post by grimreaper797
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I was posting on the broader issue of terrorism vs freedom fighter that we hear about on a daily basis. I leave it up to the reader to decide which is which.

It's kinda like the definition of porn, "I know it when I see it."

On the subject of Palestine, I think that there is a very special corner of Hell reserved for those who strap bombs on their own kids though.

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


That is a very interesting video. I would point out that the "guy" doing the lecturing is not an elected official and he does not speak for the entire US Government. I would admit that as an instructor he is in a position of authority and his opinions are very troubling.

He obviously does not know that George Washington, rejected a plot to assassinate King George III, because it was counter to the ideals of the Revolution. The Continental Army confined its attacks to members of the British military. It is true that some of the military officers were assassinated, but anyone who wears a uniform is a legitimate target in a war, until they take off the uniform.

On this note, I would like to point out that during Gulf War One, then President GHW Bush, said that we would not deliberately target Saddam Hussein since he was a head of state. I have always thought that this statement was in error since Saddam did wear the uniform of his country. However, I also recognize that the President was trying to be true to the Executive Order banning assassination of foreign heads of state.

Originally posted by lunarminer
reply to post by grimreaper797
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I was posting on the broader issue of terrorism vs freedom fighter that we hear about on a daily basis. I leave it up to the reader to decide which is which.

It's kinda like the definition of porn, "I know it when I see it."

On the subject of Palestine, I think that there is a very special corner of Hell reserved for those who strap bombs on their own kids though.

I was trying to make it so that your post applied to this threads particular purpose.

The point of making this thread, and the other one, was to point out that both sides were engaging in terrorist activities.

This all-out fight for resources would never be so virulent if religious differences didn't play a major role. Mark my words: THIS CONFLICT WILL NEVER CEASE.

I think Alpha_Magnum and magicmushroom have got the right idea!

To control the resources is to control the middle east!

Another point I want to raise is that Hamas was set up by mossad!
Here's a source to point that way!

globalresearch.ca...

Bear that in mind and then it all starts making some sense!!

Another interesting read Grim. I think you are one amongst very few people around who fully understand the complexities of the issue.

I'm afraid I'm not going to be much help here viz. creating a peaceful, long term solution.

In my mind, both sides are deeply fanatical and their aims are radical and fundamental. Added to that, I believe Arabs and Jews are very similar in nature and are incredibly passionate about many things- this naturally extends into fervent nationalism.

So what can be done to resolve the conflict? A two-state solution in my opinion would work best; with Jerusalem given UN-protected independence as a city state. That is highly unlikely, as neither side will give up any part of their territories, much less Jerusalem.

Thus I think in the interim the only solution is to sit back and let the two sides duel and reach a conclusion themselves. Incredible amounts of blood will still have to be spilt before a conclusion is reached. I don't think diplomacy is an option, as I don't think either side is capable of dialogue. In the interim, allowing Israel to eradicate Hamas wouldn't be such a bad idea. A Gaza under Abbas and Fatah would be more stable and less prone to violence against Israeli civilians. However Israel must be held accountable for any incidences of any undue fire upon civilians. Collateral damage is "acceptable"; but erroneously hitting a school is certainly not.

So to recap :

No peaceful solution possible. War is the last resort and yet the only path to long standing peace (ie capitulation from Palestinians, or an Israeli unilateral ceasefire upon the creation of a "no mans land" between the two states to act as a buffer against rocket attacks.)

Originally posted by lunarminer
reply to post by Jinni

 

OK, I watched your video. Selected excerpts from a Pro-Israel demonstration in New York.

You realize of course that the same could be done at any one of the Pro-Hamas demonstrations held around the world? You know the ones where they put the green headbands on the kids that said "Death to Israel". I find that equally disturbing. I am always against the use of kids for propaganda purposes.

I think that's the point isn't it. There is no real difference between the two.

It's very sad.

Originally posted by RogerT
I think that's the point isn't it. There is no real difference between the two.

It's very sad.

Palestinians live behind a wall in a concentration camp. The Israelis have created a blockade. The Israelis have a modern mechanized army but there are no differences?