Alien artifacts discovered underneath crop circles

Great thread. I've been following it, unable to take a firm stance either way. A devastating post by Phage, Internos et al was inevitable, I thought. That this hasn't happened yet, shows it's still open to debate but inconclusive.

I was tending towards "Wow! Intriguing." Watched the vid and googled a few points without resolving anything. Still "Wow!" Now I've slept on it, I'm not so convinced.

The gold disc, when seen on this site, appears poorly cast. It doesn't indicate a technology equal to anything we have had for centuries. A roughly made mould. If it's alien, we can't compare it to any other similar artifact. Still, we'd expect a more skilled production. These 1900 year old coins show greater artistry and workmanship.

The mysterious industrialist is open to question. Wealthy private collectors are a common feature of any major auction house sale. Private collections support the Art world. It's conceivable that such a person exists or existed. Why should he feel the need to share the discs with anyone? Many Art collectors don't. On the other hand, it's also convenient to the story. It effectively removes resolution and incites speculation. All the best hoaxes share this feature...untestable evidence.

The crop circle is just another crop circle unless the video evidence is accepted. Bent nodes on the corn are always intriguing. I remember a study that indicated some sort of phenomena present in some small number of crop circles. I think it was peer reviewed but I can't find a source, name etc and could be wrong entirely. Nevertheless, I accept that there are unexplained circles.

Circlemakers.com used to run an open forum where they'd discuss the creation of crop circles. They had to be slightly vague regarding location due to the prospect of criminal damage prosecutions. Despite this, the members were clear on the techniques of crop circle creation. The odd troll or believer would test them and they'd explain how each formation 'might' be created They were organized and very much able to produce the formation in Germany. Again, it leaves another aspect of the story inconclusive.

The metallurgy report on the content of the discs has to be taken at face value. Although a cursory search, I couldn't find anything to substantiate the report beyond 'mystery' sites.

It's too early for declaring 'shenanigans' or BS, however the story has all the elements that are found in good hoaxes. Like a good crop-circle, a good hoax demands a form of genius. I think it's likely a hoax, but the Jury can't make it's mind up just yet...






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Ok so this just came to mind...
It gives me some possible ideas...
What if this particular symbol re-appeared over the decades?
Maybe we (humans) cast these giant coins as markers to obviously mark the spot where the strange symbol re-appears--- that would explain the fact that they seem to be crudely made...
or...
Man placed them (3 metallic coins) there for some reason and the crop circle was made to show us that something was under the ground--- much like a scanner or an overhead projector, so we could locate the objects easier...
just thoughts...

whoa haven't seen this one before... EXCELLENT find!


I looked at this image for a good two minutes and decipher some sort of eclipse from the beginning arc'd circle to the third.. and then i see some representation of alignment..


could it possibly be galactic alignment? Also, do you have any more info regarding the date, time, who what where when, of this particular manifestation? This is extremely intriguing.. this is basically proof for all non-believers lol..

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
If I had craft that I could use to graffiti on farmers land, I'd fly around some fields and draw a bunch of weiners...... I mean come on, some super intricate massive 800ft weiner, people would laugh.......

Ah ha! So you're responsible for this:



(Off topic, I know, but I gave my thoughts on page 4 and Revolution-2012 mad e me laugh!)

My theory is its a resource note. Maybe they find copper/tin, silver, gold valuable so they made a note of it on the planet. When another sees the crop circle and scans it, their scanners see the bronze, silver, gold and all of a sudden know the valued resources of the planet.

The thing I don't understand is why wouldn't they leave a mark of something more permanent if it is supposed to writing or a message to other aliens.

Originally posted by Numb2itall
Ok so this just came to mind...
It gives me some possible ideas...
What if this particular symbol re-appeared over the decades?
Maybe we (humans) cast these giant coins as markers to obviously mark the spot where the strange symbol re-appears--- that would explain the fact that they seem to be crudely made...
or...
Man placed them (3 metallic coins) there for some reason and the crop circle was made to show us that something was under the ground--- much like a scanner or an overhead projector, so we could locate the objects easier...
just thoughts...

Good theory. I'm guessing you mean ancient man put the coins there.
Could be a natural phenomenon and ancient man simply marked the spot.

Originally posted by Techsnow

Originally posted by Numb2itall
Ok so this just came to mind...
It gives me some possible ideas...
What if this particular symbol re-appeared over the decades?
Maybe we (humans) cast these giant coins as markers to obviously mark the spot where the strange symbol re-appears--- that would explain the fact that they seem to be crudely made...
or...
Man placed them (3 metallic coins) there for some reason and the crop circle was made to show us that something was under the ground--- much like a scanner or an overhead projector, so we could locate the objects easier...
just thoughts...

Good theory. I'm guessing you mean ancient man put the coins there.
Could be a natural phenomenon and ancient man simply marked the spot.

Thanks, Yes that was what I meant... They could have made a cast of the pattern to see if it changed over time or to try to communicate with whatever made the pattern

reply to post by Bluebird69


Ahahahaha you KNOW that was me....

I hitched a ride with the e-woks and let everyone know what was really up.

I love the people who just cry "hoax!" in that knee-jerk way. Rasimus "I'm an artist and you cannot comprehend my mind-set" gave me a particularly good laugh. You should read George Orwell's essay, "Benefit of Clergy", but I think it would go straight over your head.

However, Phage did us a service posting the link to show why the crop circle video is a hoax. I have to say that the motivation of the hoaxer is a bit beyond me, though. Is he an artist, Rasimus? I don't think so. Just an opinion.

But Phage, I just don't get it. The video is clearly a hoax, and denounced as such by a leading player in the field (ouch!, sorry) of cerealogy, yet you say it's "probably a hoax". And yet you state baldly that the stone is a hoax without any justification that I can see. Not that I necessarily think it's genuine, but there's no evidence other than a bunch of cat-calling on another site. Not good enough.

Let's look at what would be required of the hoaxers in the original case on this thread.

First they'd have to design the pattern, put it on plates, and then bury the plates before the field was ploughed and sown. They'd have to bury them deep enough not to be affected by ploughing but shallow enough to be found by a metal detector. And they'd have to bury them in exactly the right places for the pattern to be created much later. And do all this without being noticed.

Then they'd have to wait and, in the dark, find them again to use as markers to create the crop design. Without leaving tracks all over the place.

Then create the design, without being seen.

Then wait a couple of days, turn up, and "discover" the plates. It would be interesting to research the law of such finds in Germany: does the landowner have a claim? Does the State? Is it just down to the guy who finds it? The 1996 Treasure Act in the UK mentions that treasure must have been buried with the intent that it would be recovered at some later date, but that those who did so cannot be traced...

At any rate, here's where the accusations of hoax fail.

Let's say that the guy who dug up the plates was a hoaxer, either alone or part of a team. IF his intent was to sell these purported alien artefacts (I DO wish people would learn to spell that word) then why did he take the most potentially valuable one, break it in half, and then melt it down?

The fact that that happened rules out a hoax.

If you're clever enough to perpetrate that kind of hoax you wouldn't be so dumb as to ruin the most valuable of the hoax artefacts. After all, the industrialist who bought them paid massively over the odds for them, You'd make far more money with all of them complete.

On the other hand, if you're just some moron with a metal detector (and, let's face it, the kind of people who wander round with metal detectors aren't renowned for being sparky company, to put it politely) and you have no real idea of what you found, you might well be dumb enough to melt down what is actually the prize of your collection because you think you can realise some quick cash.

If not a hoax, then what?

I have no glib answers.

I feel on slightly safer ground evaluating known hoaxers. The Circlemakers seem like a cool bunch. They know who they are and they've even got some UFO images on their website and some spooky tales as other posters have pointed out. Certainly the website is beautifully put together.

Actually, it's so well done that I can't help wondering if they're being financed. And unless all their work is all done on weekends, they must have very flexible work hours and a huge, huge commitment to creating fake crop circles that involves quite a bit of travel and lots of staying up all night, presumably without having to go and do a nine-to-five the next day.

I don't know.

This is just a thought, I'm throwing out there.
What if a group of people or culture in the past buried these plates sometime ago. And these plates somehow harnessed energy(like the energy lines of the earth) which actually created the pattern. It sounds weird but what else is there to go off of?

reply to post by rich23


The easiest way would be to dig them in to the ground as you make the crop circles. The plates could be buried sideways in slots to avoid breaking crops and mud stamped down. The next day an accomplice with a metal detector 'discovers' the plates. By digging them up they destroy any evidence of digging. If asked the accomplice could say that they saw no signs of digging. Or even better, remain anonymous. The UFO connection is a good bait for any rich believers who would like to buy the plates. Maybe they couldn't sell the gold plate above its scrap price.

Hey, I'm a cynic .

Now Humans are Parasites?

Give it a rest.

The crop circles are not communiques from aliens to 'the earth' - although they are communications to earthlings, regardless of who makes them.

Is the moon also sentient? LOL

You know, it's very sad that your mind is so closed that now you have to manipulate my words in order to try to make a point.

Ok, let me go over this again with you, from the beginning.

First, The idea of earth being a sentient being is very old, too, going back to the ancient Greeks, as you can see here:

Many people in classical Greece believed that at the beginning of time there was only one being, which they called Chaos. Out of Chaos then came the earth, a goddess called Gaia, and the sky, a god called Ouranos.

The Greeks thought of of the earth as a woman and the sky as a man, because seeds go in the earth and yet it takes both the sky (the rain and the sun) and the earth to grow a crop.

Gaia and Ouranos soon did grow a crop - more gods. Some of their children were Rhea (another Earth goddess), Cronos, and Ocean.

You may think this sounds simply like mythology, but if you look at the videos of Neal Adams made to illustrate the expanding earth theory, you'll see that before there were oceans and crops, there was only land and sky.

www.continuitystudios.net...


So, I think the ancient Greeks knew something that we didn't know...until very recently, because their mythology perfectly explains the "expanding earth theory."

Secondly, the idea that humans were originally meant to be stewards of the earth is an old one, and the idea is still voiced today in the existing native tribes, such as Native North Americans, Native South Americans, and the Australian Aborigines. Humans evolved in synergy with the earth, living by the cycles of the moon and the seasons. The earth gave to us, and in return, we gave back.

Third:

In science, we describe three basic types of relationships of living organisms living together. There are synergistic relationships, symbiotic relationships, and parasitic relationships.

Definitions:
Symbiotic: 1: the living together in more or less intimate association or close union of two dissimilar organisms (as in parasitism or commensalism) ; especially : mutualism
2: a cooperative relationship (as between two persons or groups)

Synergistic:
1: synergism ; broadly : combined action or operation
2: a mutually advantageous conjunction or compatibility of distinct business participants or elements (as resources or efforts)

Parasitic relationship:
2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return

The fact that I said that humans today more resemble a parasitic relationship than a synergistic or a symbiotic relationship is clearly understood when you read the definition of what a parasitic relationship is and what a parasite is.

Definition of Parasite : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return

But then I went back and said, no, it is probably more like a symbiotic parasitic relationship, like a bird on a rhino or a fish on a shark.

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Ok, on to the next point. You keep asserting that the earth isn't a sentient being. Yet,
I think deep down, you actually know it is, on an instinctive level. Why? Because you yourself said in one of your posts that "we are earth's children."

Now, for someone who scoffs at the idea that the earth is a sentient being, why would you refer to humans as her "children"? Out of all the possible metaphors for you to use, you used the metaphor of earth as our mother and us as our children. I think you did this because on an intuitive level, we all know this is true.

And further more, I think that the reason you have such a visceral reaction to the hypothesis that earth is a sentient being, is because deep down you know it could be true. But if you were to admit it was true, it would mean that you would have to admit aren't treating the earth as a living thing should be treated but rather as a piece of rock that you own. You are so scared to open your mind, because if you did, that would mean that you "know" to be true would possibly have to change, and that's just too much for you to handle.

I feel sorry for you that you are so closed minded, and that you get angry anytime someone suggests something that goes against your belief system. Because that means you don't have the capacity to grow emotionally, mentally or spiritually. And that is sad.




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Originally posted by Numb2itall

Originally posted by arizonascott
reply to post by Truther

 

Three plates - Bronze, Silver and Gold

Most likely representing the 3 ages of man according to them - what comes next for us, I doubt there will be a platinum age? Did they take the time to collect that metal resource just to give us a message. Wow

That blows my mind

That is what came to my mind when I first read this... Ages of Man
I remember seeing this when it first aired but like so many stories... it got lost in the shuffle, forgotten... till now
Interesting to say the least... makes me want to run out and buy a metal detector!!!

I love that theory, too. And when you put it together with the hypothesis that someone earlier made: that the glyphs are representations of the earth's precession....then that means that the glyphs could be dates. (Not dates in years....but on a larger scale....galactic years....millenia.)

And the fact that they put those different types of coins in different glyphs, could be telling us the dates that the different ages of man began.

Now, we just have to figure out what the dates are, and we could begin to decode the glyphs!

Another reason I like that theory is that the different types of coins....someone said it reminded them of the Olympics. I like that...because it seems that ancient Greece is coming up quite a bit today: Olympic medals, Gaia and the Greeks' mythology of creation, and the different ages of man. It's almost like they're trying to give us an education in the classics.

Maybe their classical studies are a lot like our classical studies? Maybe "classical studies" are universal, and not just relative to our earth. I once read a hypothesis that the Greek Gods were actually aliens who came to create civilization on earth, and teach man how to govern themselves. What if that is true, and they are telling us that they are coming back to teach us again?

What else is relevant to classical studies, besides: government, law, mythology and the olympics? Medicine, is one I can think of. But not western medicine. All the well-known ancient Greek teachers were known as "asclepiads"; a mixture of priest/healer/teacher. Science was not separate from spirituality or religion back then as it is today.

For example, Pythagoras was one of the first to teach medicine in a very unique way, along with geometry. He also taught "music of the spheres", and many, many other unique teachings.

Maybe the aliens are trying to usher in a new golden age, where we once again combine science, religion, medicine and spirituality together again.




[edit on 15-1-2009 by nikiano]

Originally posted by jackphotohobby
The easiest way would be to dig them in to the ground as you make the crop circles. The plates could be buried sideways in slots to avoid breaking crops and mud stamped down.

You know what? I can buy this. I wasn't there at the time and there's no real eyewitness testimony available in what we've read so far. I'd like to think that people would spot tampering with the field - you'd think there'd be lots of footprints and damage. However, it never pays to underestimate even my own stupidity (as you've just demonstrated!) let alone anyone else's. Like you, I'm a cynic. And digging the plates up would destroy evidence of tampering, you're right. BUT...

Maybe they couldn't sell the gold plate above its scrap price.

That's where it all falls down. The guy who sold the other plates DID sell them for WAY above the scrap price. If you were going to do a hoax for attention or money, you'd keep the gold one, not melt it down like an utter dolt. I just don't see a way around it.

Hey, I'm a cynic

.

I know how you feel.

I still haven't found or heard that anyone else that has found substantiated evidence that these plates were actually studied and found to be what they said they were. Where are the lab reports? I'd love to see those. What makes this case interesting and possibly believable is the fact that expensive metals were found. That massively reduces the # of people that could have perpetrated such a hoax. The only person at that point that I could see doing it as a hoax would be a very eccentric and rich fellow who was bored.

I wonder if it's possible to contact that lab directly.. I might try. I'd love to know.

Great find! Wow, could this be a link to our ancient civilization and Extra Terestrials? It seems to be more to it than a mere hoax. Them plates look old. They could have been there for thousands of years and the crop circles were meant to draw ur attention to them.

I looked into it too as i found it so intriguing and unbelievably not very well known about that it deserves a bit of digging.

I found this interesting site by someone who has studied crop circles and also claims of channeling - i know sounds a bit GFL but after reading it found it intersesting, It does mention the Grasdorf crop circle and says the following about it:

Source: www.cropcircleanswers.com...

Like a sign from Gaia, and our Collective Conscience, a pictogram was found at the land ‘development’/protest site, of Laguna Canyon, in California, on March 9th 1996. It consisted of three primary design symbols (the Triad of Creation); one in the form of nine concentric rings; another as five concentric rings (identified by a Native American elder of the Chumash tribe, indigenous to the area, as the number of ‘the Creator’, ‘the Great Spirit’, Nocuma); and a third, in the form of a solar motif, a Chumash ‘Sun Staff’ symbol, and sun compass, created by fourteen radial ‘spokes’, around two central rings, each spoke terminated by a small adjoining ring, with one small ‘unattached’ ring nearby. The total number of design elements came to 45 (9 + 5 + 14 + 17), another 9 in numerology (Ref. 34).

Other notable formations containing, or implying, the Sun Cross/Earth sign, include:

1) Shorley Copse, Kilmeston, Hampshire, July 22nd 1990.
2) Northside, Saskatchewan, Canada, August 1990.
3) Bareham, Northamptonshire1991.
4) Grasdorf, near Hildesheim, Germany, July 22nd 1991

Another giant pictogram, continuing in the ‘footsteps’ of East Field 1990, attracting thousands of curious visitors, and heralding things to come for the 1992 season, was the Grasdorf formation. The largest pictogram to form in Germany to date it contained nine primary design symbols; three connected by straight paths (representing the Divine Triad of Creation, including a Sun Cross symbol) and six unconnected, making nine .



Fig. 11 Grasdorf 1991 Crop Circle Formation
Silhouette Drawing Copyright 1991 Wolfgang Schindler

18 inches below the ground, in three of the pictograms design symbols (identified by their accompanying arcs) three large metal plates of extremely pure Gold (a sign of the Golden Dragon I suspect), Silver, and Bronze (another sacred triad), were unearthed, each containing the complete pictogram design in relief (the opposite to the embossed field design).

Situated in the heart of Saxon Europe (Christianized from the 9th century A.D.), the Grasdorf pictogram appeared at the foot of an ancient sacred Teutonic moot site, known as a ‘Thierberg’, and included in the immediate vicinity the ‘Wuldenberg’, an ancient Germanic site dedicated to Wuotan .

Wuotan was the Alfadhir- ‘the All Father’ of the Scandinavian Gods, also known as Odhinn, who in ancient Germanic tradition became the ‘All wise’ at the cost of an eye. His remaining eye was said to be the sun! Interestingly, Juno in Scandinavian Mythology, is ‘Frig’ga’ or ‘Frigg’; the Supreme Goddess and wife
of Odhinn .

So according to this it is near an ancient site, interesting.

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Has anyone else thought to search for metal plates under any aother crop circle?

Do we have any crop circle researchers who dig them up to see whats underneath?

Many Crop Circles appear in sacred sites and they should be unearthed for futher investigation.

".....This meant that the silver plate consisted of 99.9% pure silver, purer than sterling-silver....."


10 x 1 0z pure silver bars sells for $192 ($19.20 for 1 oz) so 11lbs would cost roughly $3,300 and a bit dollars.
lynncoins.com...

A lot of money but not exactly a huge fortune.
This is only one source and there could be cheaper around plus this was a while ago and pure silver could have been even cheaper.

Hard to calculate what the bronze and gold might be as there is no mention of weight.

Good find OP.
I hadn't even heard of this until now.

reply to post by Flighty


Do your calculations for the Gold plates value....

*at *750-900 dollars per ounce - the gold plate is worth a hefty sum.

I have had a major rethink, as opposed to my usual knee-jerk reaction.

There is no way that someone could make a discovery like this and for it to be publicised without the government stepping in and taking over.

How did this "Pfeiffer" track the person down?

And they would not have been permitted to melt anything down. How did people get the photos and details of the plates?

I have to back down here and say this is either a giant hoax or else the powerful people in this world have these plates in their custody, and want to keep them hidden.