We are in the middle of the tribulation!

The book of Revelation is the most complicated prophecy of all times. According to general interpretation, it describes the rise of antichrist and a mythical rapture. However, the way i see it, it is written as two seperate prophecies. The first one discusses the rise of "the beast from the sea". He kills millions of people for their beliefs in God, but his body is burned after he dies. He puts great faith in his fortresses, and he blasphemes against God. He makes his stand by the coast, but he is defeated on June 6th, at 6 o clock (666). Does this sound like any great dictator you've read about recently? Maybe Adolf Hitler. The second apocalypse however, does not end in the good guys winning. The second beast is called the "red" beast and it is oppressed by the nation of Babylon who is corrupt and sexually explicit, as well as extremely militaristic. (the USA in 30 years). This beast (which I believe stands for Communist China and North Korea) joins with ten other nations to start a nuclear war against America and her NATO allies. In this war, the entire world is either nuked to ash or swept by radioactive winds. The battle of Armageddon occurs when the Chinese dictator, who is determined to die trying to rule earth, leads whatever remains of the worlds armies to Armageddon where they fight one last battle for oil before they die.

If we were in the middle of 'the tribulation' then you wouldn't be able to be posting on the internet that we were in it. Therefore - we are not.

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Lol good point. But if you read my post, you'd see that we're kind of right in the middle of the first tribulation (ww2) and the great tribuation (ww3)

One could argue based on the prophecy of St. Malachy that the Tribulation began with the election of the current pope. One could also assume that 12 Dec 2012 is the middle of the Tribulation period....first half peaceful as the AC and his forces jockey for position and the second half is where the SHTF. Working backwards from that date 3.5 yrs gets us to 20 June 2009 (exactly 5 mos after the inauguration).

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Isn't it amazing how a omniscient omnipotent god, the alleged creator of everything, can completely fail to get a uniform message across.

Have you even but once considered the possibility, that the writers of the revelation were actually writing about their own times and places ?

What's that Killers' song go like? Are we humans or are we sheeple ?

Originally posted by moocowman
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Isn't it amazing how a omniscient omnipotent god, the alleged creator of everything, can completely fail to get a uniform message across.

Have you even but once considered the possibility, that the writers of the revelation were actually writing about their own times and places ?

Oh sure that so makes sense. John was talking about Nero like they all say. Don't be a sheeple (as you and my 2nd favorite radio host, Mike Savage would say). He was writing a prophecy about something that occured...what...thirty years prior. That so makes sense. It's kind of like saying that JFK assasinated Marilyn Monroe...or that you should be able to back out of a poker game after you see the cards.

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Oh sure that so makes sense. John was talking about Nero like they all say. Don't be a sheeple (as you and my 2nd favorite radio host, Mike Savage would say). He was writing a prophecy about something that occured...what...thirty years prior.

So given the propensity of xtians to claim the scriptures written over 70 years after the alleged death of the jesusgod, were in fact copies of an original tale of the time. you would now claim that the writings that claim to be of this John character could not possibly be of an earlier account?

You can't have it both ways dude, but yet again the irony is that the omniscient beard in the sky would make it doubly difficult for you to get a message that's so important. But he loves you lol.

So if you're not supposed to figure out what the hell the scribes were writing about and the rest of us don't really fall for astrology type stuff. Then it's pretty obvious john, given the circumstances of his time, would have been communicating to his own people, and not the delude over a thousand years later. duh!

Originally posted by moocowman

What's that Killers' song go like? Are we humans or are we sheeple ?

Nope, you are wrong twice.

1. You try being a man who has never seen the things John saw and then right about it, Yeshua only told him about the churches, john saw the rest for himself and tried to explain it as best he could. The Bible was not written by God, but by people who had a "God experience", I hate when pastors say that the Bible is the "Word of God".

2. It's "Are we human, or are we dancer".

To the OP, the antiChrist is never ever, not even once mentioned in the book of Revelation. I also don't think your interpretation is right, but that's ok, at least you're looking for an answer.

I've come under fire from many pastors for professing that the antiChrist is not mentioned, plus pople think that the Beast is a person, it's not, the Beast is a government . The false prophet mentioned in the book of revelation is partly what people call the antiChrist. I believe that the Catholic Church is the biggest enemy to Yeshua and His friends, they have perverted anything and everything connected to Him, they have twisted His message of love and forgiveness into an excuse to condemn and kill.

-Lahara

Originally posted by Ranger23
The battle of Armageddon occurs when the Chinese dictator, who is determined to die trying to rule earth, leads whatever remains of the worlds armies to Armageddon where they fight one last battle for oil before they die.

LOL that's a completely media propaganda fed hypothesis.

China dictator wants to rule the world?

The only ones I see trying to do that right now are the bankers and other high finance organisations. And they have been very successful at it while we all sit around waiting for someone to 'save us'.

If revelations is really about an event to still happen it won't be as obvious as you think, and it won't follow Earthly media created 'reality'.

I believe the 'christians' are going to be in for a major shock when they find out how deceived they've been...

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I believe the 'christians' are going to be in for a major shock when they find out how deceived they've been...

And there's me hoping they're partially right longing for the day they get raptured , pleas don't spoil the only delusion I have lol

yes we are in the final days!!!!

the sevens seals are being broken as we speak or type. its hard for us to perceive this because we are LIVING and SEEING this happen first hand, not from a third party perspective.

events are changing slowly so we get used to them. theses events are based around the 2000 year period of piceses and the coming of aquarious. we only live 80 years so we find it hard to comprehend these events.

they are happening!

Originally posted by moocowman
And there's me hoping they're partially right longing for the day they get raptured , pleas don't spoil the only delusion I have lol

LOL yeah sorry about that. You are being sarcastic right?

The rapture is a myth that allows christians to basically do nothing but sit around and wait for the end.

The rapture is a spiritual event, the escaping of the spiritual trial for true believers, not a physical event. That means christians will not be 'raptured' from Earth but will go through the tribulations like the rest of us. If you believe that stuff that is.

The bible has become nothing but a study guide, whereas I believe the book calls people to action.

And I mean by action actually doing something to better our lives in the 'right now', not running around telling people they're going to hell, when they die, if they don't become 'born again' (another silly man made slogan).

Is the bible about life, or about death? I think it's about life. But people have turned christianity into a passive comfort blanket, something to make you feel better, while the world around you is raped by the few at the top.

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You are sheeple. I have no doubt of that. Also, if there is a hell, you will have a reservation I would imagine. I hope I answered your question where you asked if you were human or sheeple.

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Uh, how about no. Man, do you work hard at being this clueless? You would have to be deluded to not see the day and the hour we are in. Particularly with the events in Israel right now. Look for the destruction of Damascus next, and then tell me what a rude awakening I'm in for....get a grip.

Recently someone had a tribulation timeline post that involved Jan 25th of this year (1260, 1335 days, etc). I cant find it now...does anyone have it?

ANOK is right. The bible has been completely misinterpretated for a long time. I think Jesus even said for people not to worship him as a God, but I think alot of people are doing that. God shouldnt even be worshiped. No one should worship anything. That is being a slave.

I dont think or atleast I hope WW3 will ever happen. People already assume that once it starts than that is the end of the world. Though we are at war right now... So it could become a reality. Wow. To think the entire planet being wiped out by us fighting over oil. That is extremely pathetic. I think Ill move to the desert with a group of rejects and start my own army.

THE RAPTURE IS REAL AND IF YOU DON'T BELEVE IN GOD THEN YOU WILL STAY ON EARTH AND SUFFER FOR SEVEN YEARS!!! THEN IF YOU STILL DON'T BELEVE YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!! AMEN

Originally posted by jakeman11
THE RAPTURE IS REAL AND IF YOU DON'T BELEVE IN GOD THEN YOU WILL STAY ON EARTH AND SUFFER FOR SEVEN YEARS!!! THEN IF YOU STILL DON'T BELEVE YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!! AMEN

I've been suffering for 45 years already, so what's the difference?



But seriously, please point out the passages in the bible that say non-believers will go to hell for all eternity? Go on dig ya bible out, time for some bible study.

and fix ya caps lock....You're already in hell!

In the Old Testament, the corresponding word is Sheol, which signifies the state of the dead in general without regard to the goodness or badness of the persons, their happiness or misery. In translating that word, the seventy have almost invariably used Hadees. * * It is very plain, that neither in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, nor in the New, does the word Hadees convey the meaning which the present English word Hell, in the Christian usage, always conveys to our minds."-Diss. Vi., pp. 180-1.

The hell you envision was a fantasy created by Dante, it has nothing to do with the word from the bible that we translate into the English hell.

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Originally posted by jakeman11
THE RAPTURE IS REAL AND IF YOU DON'T BELEVE IN GOD THEN YOU WILL STAY ON EARTH AND SUFFER FOR SEVEN YEARS!!! THEN IF YOU STILL DON'T BELEVE YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!! AMEN

Dude, you related to the Phelps family by any chance ?

How is it possible for an event that has not taken place to be real ?

Have you even considered (obviously not)the possibility, that what you've been told about the contents of the bibles (plural) may have no evidence whatsoever to support them ?

Which god would you have us all believe in exactly ?

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LOL yeah sorry about that. You are being sarcastic right?

Indeed, my mate is an xtian who expects to be raptured at any moment, which concerns me. The good side is that we cycle together and when the jesusgod takes him I get his bike. The down side is, what if he's on the sodding bike when he gets raptured ? I'd have to push it home lol.


Do you think that when all the xtians get raptured crops would fail through lack of BS ?