There is no such thing as a Palestinian people

reply to post by Founding

"Describe any one in that area regardless of religion or ethnicity????" I'm sorry but what are you trying to say.

Many people today think Palestinian equals a person who is a Muslim and an Arab.But this wasn't always the case.You were a Palestinian (to some) because you lived in an area known as Palestine/Palestina.

reply to post by DantesLost
Yes that's true! The non Israeli/recent immigrants to the Holy Land are a great mix of three continents. When you've stayed in the Palestinian areas it soon becomnes apparent the locals are as diverse as the Jewish immigrants themselves. I knew a guy in Jerusalem, he told me many of the locals were pale and blond due to the Crusader legacy, also Arab legacy and African too. In this respect the Palestinians and the Israelis are just the same, they draw from all three continents that the Holy Land crosses.

reply to post by DantesLost


I don't think your getting it. There is a huge difference between the history of a name and the history of a people. What today's so-called Palestinians are doing is a creating a false identity. They claim they have lived on this land since the before the Jews. They claim they are a separate group of people with their own culture, customs, and history. None of that is true. They are not "Palestinians" but Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, and Saudis -- All Arabs.

It is not right for them to say the world has turned its back on them and no one will help them. It is not right for them to say they are alone. Because they have brothers,sisters, mothers, and fathers all in the countries that border Israel. The king of Jordan is married to a "Palestinian" women. Yassar Arafat was born in Egypt. There is no difference between the people living in the westbank/gaza from the people living in the countries that border Israel.


I am sorry but this cannot go on. As long as the "Palestinian" people claim this false identity there will never be peace. They need to wake up from their amnesia.

reply to post by Founding
Yes that's true too. The locals inhabiting this region of the ME are very diverse indeed. The Holy Land is the meeting point of three continents.

reply to post by Founding

I don't agree with them being all Arabs. Lots of European input too my friend. Ever been to Jerusalem, Gaza? Lots of French looking people, definitely not just whatever you said (grouping them together as Arab) the Crusaders were in the Holy Land for some time.

reply to post by Founding


Look, you're trying to get the guy to admit that the Jews are connected to Palestine genetically while the Palestinians are not connected to it genetically. It is simply not going to happen. I had mentioned to you but you discounted the reality that the Jews are proclaiming themselves as God's chosen ones and that is a RELIGIOUS belief that is at best dubious. Now you attempt to use genetic science to prove that the Torah is correct and I would imagine the Old Testament as well.

Evolution insists that the Earth is over 4 Billion years old and man is a descendant of bacteria. Creation is in opposition to that and places the Earth at under 10K years old with man being created in God image and woman being the result of Adam's rib. So now you want to use genetics that are a tool of science to prove that the Jews are the chosen people of God.

There is no way to call the results absolute proof of anything for several reasons.
1) Hebrew Science Labs are words that are not normally found together but even if they were the fact is they at best practice voodoo science.
2) The test subjects come into play along with the reality that even the best conducted study can only track back a few generations. Beyond that we would need to dig up remains.
3) How can we prove the histories of the subjects?? They could be making it up! What if a Palestinian mated with a Jew?

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


What are you talking about??? I have not said or implied any thing you have brought up.


There is a good reason why I am -- trying -- to ignore you.

Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

 

What are you talking about??? I have not said or implied any thing you have brought up.

Your entire assertion is that the Jews are related to the land called Israel while you next assert that the Palestinians are hangers on that have no right or claim to the land. I deputed it!

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
Jews are related to the land called Israel while (...) the Palestinians are hangers on that have no right or claim to the land.

What's the point ? All of this is perfectly true.



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Originally posted by Netzar

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
Jews are related to the land called Israel while (...) the Palestinians are hangers on that have no right or claim to the land.

What's the point ? All of this is perfectly true.

I wrote (speaking to Founding):
Your entire assertion is that the Jews are related to the land called Israel while you next assert that the Palestinians are hangers on that have no right or claim to the land.

and you edited that quote to read:

NOT Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum but altered by Netzar
Jews are related to the land called Israel while (...) the Palestinians are hangers on that have no right or claim to the land.

as though I stated that.

That is pretty low even by ATS standards Nutmuncher.

To founding:
-Europians are white and they come from Europe.
-Black people originaly come from Africa and are part of the black rase.
-South americans, north americans by origin are indians mixed with spaniards.(except Canada and Usa)Usa are just indians.
-Middle eastern people are arabs.
-Chinese , Japanise, Coreans are yellow and come from that part of Asia.

Everyone comes from one of this:Black, Yellow, White, Dark tan arabic, Indian.
Did I forget anything?

What are the JEWS?
Pic one please.

What is the name of the rase of the people living in Israel?
What are they called?

It can't be JEWS because Judaism is a religion not a rase of people.
It can't be Hebrew because it's just a languege.
It can't be Israelis because Israel in a new country and Iraeli is not a rase of people.

What are they founding?
Can you please provide a name, all I want is a simple name.
My opinion is that they are arabs, but if you got something in mind I want a single name as a description.

other findings show that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities are closely related to Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[51][52] who together as a single population also represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously Christianized and later largely Islamized, and both ultimately culturally Arabized.[51] The authors of one of the studies wrote that "the extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin".[42]

Founding FAIL FAIL FAIL

reply to post by pepsi78


Great generalization.... you forget to mention that Persians are not of Arab origin nor are Turks or Kurds. Please do some research I do not enjoy how most of our debates turn into you running around in circles.

The Jewish people are if you want to talk in ethnic terms are Hebrews/Israelite. But if you want to get into ethnoreligious terminology then anyone whose mother was a Jew or has converted to Judaism.

Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by pepsi78

 

Great generalization.... you forget to mention that Persians are not of Arab origin nor are Turks or Kurds. Please do some research I do not enjoy how most of our debates turn into you running around in circles.

The Jewish people are if you want to talk in ethnic terms are Hebrews/Israelite. But if you want to get into ethnoreligious terminology then anyone whose mother was a Jew or has converted to Judaism.

The authors of one of the studies wrote that "the extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed ... supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin"

These are ancestors Founding so your argument FAILS

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Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

Related human beings that have a common chromosome is what that says.

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The Jewish people

There is no such thing as JEWISH PEOPLE in terms of rase.

if you want to talk in ethnic terms are Hebrews/Israelite.

There is no such thing as a hebrew people either.
Hebrew is just a dialect and there is no such thing as a israelit as in a rase of people.
www.wisegeek.com...

Hebrew is a Semitic language of the Afro-Asiatic family. It was once a dialect of the Canaanite language, but other dialects have died out. Hebrew existed as a spoken language in ancient times until the turn of the 4th century CE, when it began to be replaced by Aramaic, but it persisted as a literary language, largely due to the Hebrew Bible used by the Jewish faith. Today, Hebrew is once again a spoken language in Israel and other Jewish communities, and it boasts around 15 million speakers worldwide.

But if you want to get into ethnoreligious terminology then anyone whose mother was a Jew or has converted to Judaism.

JEW is just that Judaism and is stricltly refered to a religios faith.
There is no such description for JEWS as a rase.

So what are those people, you have failed again.
You have failed to produce an answer.

What are the people in Israel? What rase are they part of?



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Here is the corect answer.
They are arabs.

reply to post by pepsi78


If you go to wikipedia and type in Hebrew you will be given a list. And on that list there will look something like this:

Ethnic groups:
* Any descendant of Eber, the great great grandson of Noah (biblical)
* The Hebrews, an ancient people of the Levant region
o Children of Eber, the earliest cultural Hebrews
o The Israelites, descendants of Jacob, six generations removed from Eber.
o The Jews.
* a member of a people who spoke Canaanite languages, including the Ammonites, Edomites, Hebrews, Moabites, and Phoenicians.

You see what I mean about running in circles. What has our debate become, now your asserting the Jews are ethnically Arabs???? Your ignorance is pathetic and also insulting. There is saying that I think people like you should take notice of, "A wise man knows when to shut up."

To show how ridicules his clames are.

en.wikipedia.org...



Israel is not part of the fertile crescent of the north ,go figure, and the north? even more and more far away.

Do some research before you post.

We do not even have to bring arguments, you sink in all by your self.
But I'll remain to my opinion, those who were there and were practicing the JEWISH FAITH were arabs, todays population is a mix just like the palestinains. The ones that are called JEWS today and palestinians are the same water with a different mix along the way of recent time line.



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Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by pepsi78

 

If you go to wikipedia and type in Hebrew you will be given a list. And on that list there will look something like this:

Ethnic groups:
* Any descendant of Eber, the great great grandson of Noah (biblical)
* The Hebrews, an ancient people of the Levant region
o Children of Eber, the earliest cultural Hebrews
o The Israelites, descendants of Jacob, six generations removed from Eber.
o The Jews.
* a member of a people who spoke Canaanite languages, including the Ammonites, Edomites, Hebrews, Moabites, and Phoenicians.

You see what I mean about running in circles. What has our debate become, now your asserting the Jews are ethnically Arabs???? Your ignorance is pathetic and also insulting. There is saying that I think people like you should take notice of, "A wise man knows when to shut up."

You can be Croatian but you are white.
You can be Russian slav but white.
You can be egyptian but an arab.

You have still not answered my question.
What rase are they part of?
Slav, greek, croatian are part of the white rase because they are all white and they are all ethnic groups.
Arabic, WHite, Black, Yellow refers to as a rase.

Hebrew is just a dialect a languege used by many in history not only by what you today call jews as a rase of people today.
It's used as a dialect "for different ethnic groups"

Ethnic groups=many from a single rase.

Europe has different ethnic groups but they are all white.
Same for aboriginal Indians and so on.




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