Ukrainian Serial Killer Video

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I couldn't watch the video... Things like that have a tendency to remain lodged in your soul for a long time.

www.dnepropetrovskmaniacs.com...

you did just what I did. Read that and stopped it getting any further entrenched into you. I can do without seeing stuff like that,because as you say,it gets lodged in your head,not a nice image to have rolling around when you're trying to sleep.

I was going to say let's hope they get a nice long,drawn out,painful life. (anticipation is worse than the moment of death itself,death would be a quick release for them) But that's bad karma.

I just tried to watch and it was not something i could get past the first 10 secs, my heart goes out to that man and that family. It is horrific and sick, i just don't get how people can do that to a living being.....i can't even go on with it, i am shaking.

reply to post by THELONIO


I'm not quite sure how much more I could possibly explain my position. If you're having an issue understanding then it's more of a problem with you. My explanation was clear.

I don't know where you get your information about parents. There are bad parents everywhere. Every one who has caused an ill to society more than likely had bad parents. These problems begin and end with the parents. How the children are raised, cared for, and handled dictates who they are as adults.

Parents who spoil their children raise greedy, selfish children. Parents who discipline their children raise people capable of dealing with the real world. Parents who neglect their children raise children who are forced to adapt to alternative ways of survival, i.e. crime. Parents who are too lazy or "busy" to take care of their children raise independent children who don't have the sense to come in out of the rain.

All of these children grow up to become adults. These adults, most of them, then become parents themselves, and a lot of them simply pass along to their children the life their parents gave them. It's an endless cycle.

Poor parenting can be attributed to a lot of the world's problems.

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


i am sorry ,you seem to be spoiling for a fight, i just thought we were having a chit chat, do you have to argue about eveything and be all jumpy and agressive about it, i didnt say all parents were good, i dont know if you are a parent, it sounds like you are not, though you have probably been waiting for me to say that so that you can flame me down, but anyway, i shall assume that you are not, they call it in the club because you gotta be in it to understand, if you are a parent you will understand this, but yes you are quite correct there are some terrible people out there, parents and singles and they grow and have kids and the kids grow up and blah blah blah, have a little faith in the world

I'm not going to look at that video, but here's one of them in court supposedly;
Liveleak

reply to post by THELONIO


We are having a chit chat. It looks like you're being a little too sensitive.

If you can't take an opposing view point, or an opposing view point from someone who is passionate about their opinions - like me - then ignore me.

Did anyone find out what the sentence was on these killers?
Did they really kill a pregnant woman and a child?!!!!
Sick.
What was their motive, if any?

I came across this Vid by mistake, I normally watch any kind of vids, and i can say that I thought i had seen just about everything, accidents, suicides, murders, decapitate vids, guys having their arms pulled off, horrible war vids...

u name it i've seen it

i thought i was completely desensetized to this stuff


this one was different, was truly the most horrible thing i have witnessed in my lifetime, i actually felt sick afterwards..

but to my own horror i watched it more than once...why ? i don't know, perhaps i couldn't believe what i was seeing, perhaps i am morbidly fascinated by it ?

who knows..

reply to post by Hellsing

You are fascinated by it. Not in a woow that's awesome way, but you may be trying to understand it.
While I was watching it I was analysing it the entire time. The sounds the man made as a result of him choking on his own blood, the disfigurement of his face as a result of the repeat hammer blows, I even peered closer at the screen to try and make out the details of his face to try and identify what was what. Even the sounds of the perpetrators was analysed, their tone and their body language in order to understand it all. I had to understand it. I had to feel what they felt and I had to feel what the victim felt. Once I'd done that, I went to bed. Whenever I stumble upon a video like this I jump at the opportunity to test myself. In my mind I think, will this be one that I can't watch? I hope so because there is something wrong with me if I can't find something that I can't take. So I watch, and it leaves me wondering about myself. Now I saw a lot of bad things when I was very young and they didn't traumatise me, in fact I think they made me stronger, the very strange thing about this is that I'm a very empathic person, it works in strange way. Is it somewhat like this with you?

reply to post by Elijio


Yeah, i did the same, analyzed everything, tried to put myself in the shoes of the victim and the attackers, tried to take notice of all their movements, especially the victim, thats why i watched it twice i think, i tried to see something, not sure what.

I have no answers, i will admit it might be possible that I am scared, and i felt i needed to watch it, to prove to myself that i am strong, and immune to the things in the world that are truly scary.

Thing is i didnt watch the video, it's more like i tried to be there at that very moment, and experience the pain and the fear from the victim, and then the possible excitement that the attackers must have felt.

I did lose much of the very little respect i had left for humanity after watching it, and it dawned on me at that moment that death is a blessing in a world like this.

I'm very intrigued, yet I won't see it based on the fact that everybody here says "don't see it".
So maybe someone who watched it all could tell us what is exactly showing, and maybe we would all satisfy our curiosity in a "healthier" way.

pysih.com...

I read the dialogue there.... It's truly disturbing. Before I read that I was going to watch the video, I was ready to. The three lads attitudes are so scary - how can three humans do that to a person they have no emotion towards? To murder someone that horrificly you'd think that there was a long hatred between the people, but no. Edit - To make it clear, hatred wouldn't make it right, or understandable, but there would be a reason to explain it.

What could you possibly do to these types of people? Death penalty seems to light to me, but then letting them live can cause danger to other people... Torture is what they deserve, but for obvious reasons thats a no go. There really should be special allowances for torture....

[edit on 05/01/2009 by PM2009]

reply to post by PM2009


I would be inclined to think that they "hate" the whole world. They may hate life itself for some reason that we do not know. They strike out in defiance of the rules and notions of "right" behaviour, but they do it only in cowardice; only against those weaker than themselves.
They saw this man most likely as an "object" because that is probably how they see themselves as well. No intrinsic value. How many people feel that way in a society based on materialism and wealth? Especially young people. We older ones get to a point where we come to terms with the inconsistencies and apparent shallowness of life, but hopefully never give up hope of finding something greater to hang on to.

Man, I watched only the first 25 seconds (which I prob shouldnt do on a work computer) and that was as far as I could get. It sickens me that they picked out the most vulnerable victims and I hope they get the sh*t kicked out of them in jail.

Originally posted by seb2882
I'm very intrigued, yet I won't see it based on the fact that everybody here says "don't see it".
So maybe someone who watched it all could tell us what is exactly showing, and maybe we would all satisfy our curiosity in a "healthier" way.

You can tell what happens by reading the dialogue on one of the links, the video wont load.

Starting to wish I never watched it

A lot of people find it hard to realize the depraved things some humans are capable of doing. This stuff is far more common than we lead ourselves to believe.

I do not know if this is fake or real yet. Based on the VERY limited information I have gathered after reading this thread and running a search on google, it does seem to be real. The fact that it may be real does not shock me, but it does scare me.. it always has.

In my opinion it is good that something like this surface. The fact that these kids filmed it and uploaded it to the internet is not what made it happened... it would have happened with or without the camera.

Ignoring this video or calling for a removal of the video and information relevant to it is a very destructive form of denial. As far as I can gather, the media is blocking it out in Ukraine, probably to try and make it go away... maybe it's government censorship.

As long as the choice is there for people to not relate to this and block it out, I think this information should be kept openly available. It should not be forced on people, and leading someone onto material like this without proper warning is more serious than most people realize. Still, threads like these are perfectly fine in my opinion. I had to dig out the video myself.

We need to learn as much as we can about humans to progress beyond the current stage where stuff like this happens. I don't know if we will ever rid our societies of the kind of individuals we are talking about here, but blocking this out and refusing to acknowledge that our own species does this will not make it go away.

That said, I do advocate STRONG warnings on this type of material. Not everyone can get anything from it except an imprint in their head they cannot rid themselves off. I do not think it should be removed, but people should be required to dig this video up themselves. I trust people to know what they should expose themselves to and not.

I have seen a lot of bad stuff, some in real life, but mostly fiction of course. I felt I was able to see the video without getting mentally scarred. I could. Still, it is defiantly the worst video I have endured. I have seen fictional stuff that was more graphic, but it's hard to mimic the brutality of reality. I have read several books on serial killers, and I never shield myself from harsh realities, but it was still somewhat hard to just watch the video. If you think you may have trouble watching it, don't watch it. If you think it will be easy, think it over at least one more time. It is mostly the fact that it is probably real that makes it bad.

I do not advocate the death penalty. I am no pacifist, and I do believe in proper penalties for crimes, but I do not want to be governed by a state that executes people. A true democratic state should not kill people and potentially put innocent people at risk of being executed after a wrongful conviction. The concept of the death penalty is perfectly fine though. I am not interested in seeing these Ukraine killers get punished so that they hopefully learn not to do it again... I want the problem they pose eradicated from society. I do hope they die, or that they stay imprisoned for life. I just don't see execution as a proper reaction.

I don't care for torture or infliction of pain as punishment either. I am sort of annoyed by people who call for torturing these kids. There IS something wrong with you when you want people tortured. What reasoning is the base of wanting someone tortured? I'm sure the kids who did this can answer me. It's their game. Such reactions (calling for torture) are usually results of irrational emotions. Irrational emotion usually makes us unable to deal with a problem properly. The killers should just be kept isolated. As long as we try to keep our societies safe.

It is sad that Ukraine have to pay to keep them locked up instead of just killing them, but we do have to pay a price for maintaining civilized societies.

reply to post by me_ofef_seraph


I agree with you about all the people calling for torture or death as a punishment. The viewers are upset by the torturing the three guys did to someone and so the answer is more torture? How on earth does that make sense? That may have been part of the thinking that led to these guys torturing that man in the first place.
Its like they are saying torture is OK only if I do it, or the state does it, but not if so-and-so does it.
Torture at this level is never right, no matter what. Those calling for it are only proving how ingrained it is in the human psyche to want to inflict pain on others when we are in pain ourselves.

reply to post by wayno


Well, it's very personal. For instance, if this victim was a member of my own family, I wouldn't let go that easily.
Things are different when they affect you in a personal way.

reply to post by seb2882

Yes, I understand that it is different when it is personal. Although I have had a pacifist nature my entire life - even as a child - there have been times when, as an adult, I also had the thought go through my head that I wanted to do or have harm done to someone. Thankfully those times were rare, out of great desperation, and never acted upon.
It does seem like an awful lot of people just don't give it a second thought tho and would seem to want to resort to torture or death almost as a first resort.
I think it is partially ingrained in our nature, but sometimes might just be a habit -- one that we can break if we start to think about it.

What i really have trouble with is that the video is actually out there still on the net?? surly such a terrible act should not even be available, Maybe im just naive on this kind of thing but it really does shock me, Can you imagine being a family member and people saying they had watched the Vid?

I have not read the article and would never ever watch a video containing such acts, Knowing the little that i do on the matter is enough to fill me with sadness of the poor man,

There's some terrible people out there, and I'm sure there always has been,
Just having the net makes it available to us all,