God is corrupt. (sound reasoning)

reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel


How about:
* God is corrupt because he abuses his powers many times in the Old Testament.
* God is corrupt because he created a flawed race and yet punishes his flawed race for being flawed.
* God is corrupt because he toys with us in the Bible - saying one thing in one verse and something completely different in another.
* God is corrupt because, despite his flaws, we must worship him or die.

Yes they say that creation is flawed, I myself disagree with this premise. This the gross physical plane, cause and effect this is like a balance point of the other higher and lower planes that exist. This is where every thing is crunched together, and the choice is yours to do pretty much what you want but there are prices to pay from your choice.
All of creation is in fact perfect, it would be only by perspective that this could be totally understood.
In pure Zen thought nothing is right or wrong in universe it is simply as it is.

Knowledge is self empowering. That is a bit different than having authority over others as your power and way of doing things. I think we are talking about 2 different kinds of power here.

However, knowledge contains both good and evil. And so if god is corrupted, I think humans and this earth is part of that corruption. But I would say this is more of a corrupted viewpoint/perspective than god being corrupted.



[edit on 7-1-2009 by badmedia]

Tell you a truth, just before God's enter it been just Satan with a myth (God) set for turning true. Turning true in a way way outside any thing people say God is. Expieramenting in seeing flaws in world matters is how Satan goes deeper in turning God true which Satan enter title wise just so you know God's name is currently Satan or rather Satan's title is God.

World matters are in the "should and should not" category when under a test conneting with free reasoning and trick-faith due a turning point surprize where faith turn true in either a better way or a worse way depending only upon each.


When you see me say God's enter, you better in no wise think God been eternal. Myth one is eternal.

Now since Satan is God, which negative one is up for damnation into negative infinity?

Negative one know God's key screen name.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I have a lot of trouble with the Bible thing. Whose Bible? Who wrote the first one?

The Bible is a collection of multiple books by authors who were consistent with each other.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Who translated it? How accurate was the translation?

More than 100 scholars from six English-speaking countries, as well as editors and English stylists, worked on the NIV. The scholars represented more than 20 denominations.

It took 10 years to complete the NIV translation. The process started in 1968 and finished in 1978. This does not include more than 10 years of planning before 1968.

- www.ibsstl.org...

In summary, it's accurate. One can learn Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek to compare for themselves.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Who benefited from it?

All who have eternal life.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Who has the money? There is always a paper trail and you better believe that a lot of people have bee making money from this book for a long time. Some people don't get smarter they just believe a smarter argument.

The Bible is available free here: www.biblegateway.com...

Are we to assume then that those who have a lot of power are the most knowledgeable? I've yet to hear someone give President Bush that much of a compliment here on ATS.

Dup post.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by saint4God]

Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
So we all share the belief that knowledge is power.

Most of us believe that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

God has absolute knowledge, therefore absolute power.

How can he NOT be corrupt?

Ive posted this on a thread that had a similar question put in similar context:

Well this is your way of seeing God I suppose. But of course, not everyone feels or thinks that way.

God is everything, and also nothing. Hes everywhere and nowhere. He's here, he's there...he's even neither here nor there. Nothing, none,none everything, everyone, every time, everywhere, all the time, half the time, never, always...etc.

He's a religion, he is religion, he invented it, he's christian, he's muslim, he jewish, he's mormon, buddhist, catholic, (insert your's here). He believes the same as you, he belives the total opposite of you, he's actually not a he, he's a she, she not really a she but an it. It is you, it is me, it is her, it is that, it is this, it is neither that nor this, etc., etc...he's everything you want to be, cant be, will be, have been, have seen, have done, havent done...of course one could go on and on but that's really unnecessary.

So sure God is probably a corrupt, but also probably not corrupt. Either way, I have no problem with your definition.

Ok, I have seen this thing before... and I don't think I can sit by idly while it continues here.


Genesis is NOT a first hand account of creation.

It could NOT BE, because there were NO WITNESSES present at that time.

The creation PREDATES the earliest human, by its own testimony, so the entirety of the Creation up to the creation of man, is pure conjecture, and metaphor.

-Edrick

Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
God created man in his own image. Therefore it is reasonable to assume he is just like us but with absolute knowledge.

No. No it's not reasonable at all.

Sorry.

Originally posted by Edrick
Genesis is NOT a first hand account of creation.

It could NOT BE, because there were NO WITNESSES present at that time.

The creation PREDATES the earliest human, by its own testimony, so the entirety of the Creation up to the creation of man, is pure conjecture, and metaphor.

I don't think that anyone is saying that Genesis is humankind's eyewitness account of Creation. No one of sound mind, anyway...

If you know your Bible, the idea is that the events of Genesis were supposedly relayed to humankind by God, through Abraham if I remember correctly.

So, it's really not necessary to get all up-in-arms about whether or not it's an eyewitness account. It certainly doesn't present itself as such.

reply to post by TruthParadox

God is corrupt because he abuses his powers many times in the Old Testament.

God never "abused his powers". He knows what He's doing.

God is corrupt because he created a flawed race and yet punishes his flawed race for being flawed.

God made us perfect. But when we disobeyed God we fell into sin, and sin made us imperfect. God did not make us imperfect.

God is corrupt because he toys with us in the Bible - saying one thing in one verse and something completely different in another.

Any inconsistencies in the Bible are just misinterpretation. Anything taken out of context can be misinterpreted.

God is corrupt because, despite his flaws, we must worship him or die.

We don't have to worship God; we don't have to accept salvation. People go to Hell because God can't have sinners whom reject Him in Heaven. How could God let people into heaven whom sin and don't love Him?

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reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel


God can't be corrupt because power only corrupts humans, not God. Humans are ravaged by sin, which is why most people abuse positions of power. But God is perfect; He can't be corrupt.

reply to post by Roark


Just wanted to get that out there before it became an issue...



And what if God lied?

You know... corrupt and all.


God said that Adam and eve would die if they ate the fruit... they did, and they didn't die.

Q.E.D.

God is either a liar, or not omniscient.



-Edrick

Originally posted by Totakeke

God never "abused his powers". He knows what He's doing.

The bible seems to infer that the Ten Commandments were a schoolmaster to bring people unto Christ and that we are now no longer bound by the Ten Commandments. It would seem we are now bound by human law and having faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to get free of it.

I'm not saying exchanging the Ten Commandments for faith was a deliberate abuse of power, but it seems that Jesus Christ was thought up, at a later date, when it became apparent that no person could live without breaking at least one of the commandments.

The purpose of the law of Moses - The ten commandments.
Galatians 3: 10-11 & Galatians 3:21, 24, 25 (King James Version)

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The only one that has ever been on earth and didn't brake any of the Ten Commandments, is Jesus Christ.

How God makes people right.
Romans 3:21-27 (King James Version)

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law [Man’s law?].

The Bible infers that we are all sinful before we leave our mothers' womb, because we are all descendants of Adam and Eve who sinned. And that is why humans die, because the penalty for sin is Death (Genesis 2:16-17). Only by having sincere belief and faith in Jesus Christ can people, at the time of judgement, be cleansed of their sins and have eternal life.

There seems to be only one way to have eternal life. See John 3:16 & John 14:6

John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 14
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You cannot get into heaven through good works alone. Good works are motivated by sincere belief and faith in Jesus Christ. Doing good works without having sincere belief and faith in Jesus Christ will not get you eternal life.

Ephesians 2:8-10.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel


Sad and pathetic attempt to reach for a deep philisophical conversation...

Let me try along your lines.

God is Love.
Love is blind.
Stevie wonder is God.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


HI Anon!

It seems to me you have some issues with...
The Who's and the Why's and the what's and the how's and the when's etc...
Maybe it's THEM who you should be directing these questions to!

ICXC NIKA
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Originally posted by Roark

Originally posted by Edrick
Genesis is NOT a first hand account of creation.

It could NOT BE, because there were NO WITNESSES present at that time.

The creation PREDATES the earliest human, by its own testimony, so the entirety of the Creation up to the creation of man, is pure conjecture, and metaphor.

I don't think that anyone is saying that Genesis is humankind's eyewitness account of Creation. No one of sound mind, anyway...

If you know your Bible, the idea is that the events of Genesis were supposedly relayed to humankind by God, through Abraham if I remember correctly.

So, it's really not necessary to get all up-in-arms about whether or not it's an eyewitness account. It certainly doesn't present itself as such.

So, who told humans to write it then? God speaking to someone? Seriously, when people hear voices in their head, they are given medications for psychosis, if that does not work they end up in the hospital. Why is it "acceptable" for someone to "hear god in their head" but not anything/anyone else? It is hypocritical. If you hear god you are not psychotic, if you hear anything else you are psychotic. mmhmmm.

God, as a single entity is a man made idea. God, as a male entity is a "man" made idea used to control the population. God is neither male or female, neuter or it. Everything is god, so therefore if everything is god, what does that say about the idea of evil? God is everything and everywhere. So God not only is good, but God is also evil. And therefore is corrupt, as well as not corrupt. God is everything, so therefore the Christian idea of Satan is also God. It is mind boggling. And no, I do not believe the Christian idea of god. It puts god into a little box with a little label, and that is impossible to do.

Like another poster said, do you care about the individual cells in your elbow? No, not unless they become cancerous, and even then you don't care about the "individual" cells, just about the cancer. Though with god being everything and everywhere, even cancer is god. The cancer analogy being the corrupt part of god.

Interesting thought OP, thanks.

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Your right about that my friend, god is corrupt. God is vengeful, spiteful, malicious, ....... god is the most profane acts known to man, Yet he is also the most profound. The most loving, ..... he is both sides of the spectrum, .. and everything in between.

... However god would not say it is corrupt. corruption, ... evil, ... are definitions created by man. God simply is. He does not judge, or reflect. He exists on every level of the spectrum. Evil only exists where one defines it, ... where it can relate, to " good" . God is absolute, perfect.

Originally posted by Roark

Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
God created man in his own image. Therefore it is reasonable to assume he is just like us but with absolute knowledge.

No. No it's not reasonable at all.

Sorry.

Perhaps you could give me a reason instead of just stating that like a fact?