New safety rules for children's clothes have stores in a fit

Originally posted by muzzleflash

im sorry but these buisnesses deserve to get their wallets torn apart

they all deserve some punishment for KILLING people by spreading all this toxic crap and calling it "childrens cloths" its pure evil imo

so i will see justice done when they go out of buisness

its THIER fault that there is children in the hospital right now suffering untold horrors

i think the toy stores and their suppliers need a slap in the face too
and maybe a little bankruptcy to teach them how the market works

you poison my kid? you lose your job

simple

[edit on 7-1-2009 by muzzleflash]

Those won't be the businesses that go under. The ones that will be hurt the most from this are the poor who buy used clothes and the businesses who thrive on selling used clothes. It's the new clothes from China that people have to look for. The businesses that sell poisoned clothing will actually thrive under this because there's no way the USA would boycott China and the USA refuses to hold China accountable for those they harm. They probably won't even test the imports very well, either. All this does is hurt the innocent and benefit the guilty.

New clothing is never touched by silverfish until it's been washed a dozen times. When you buy new clothes they are saturated with pesticides, and you absorb these through the skin. Old clothing is much safer, especially for children. (One quarter of the world's pesticides are used in the production of cotton.)

Clothing, unless it's plastic or painted, does not contain lead and phthalates. Therefore, the government is not only being a blasted nuisance, and making sure more poor children go cold this winter, they are actually making life more hazardous for children.

Whenever the government says, "It's for the sake of our children," you know their real motives are unspeakable.

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
Your all in a huff over this? When they replaced lead paint with latex why weren't you outraged then?? Lead happens to be poisonous to humans and is most dangerous to children who love to put everything in their mouths. Most all of our goods come from China, Korea, etc. and these countries use lots of dangerous or poisonous stuff. Your making it sound like lead in our clothing is a good thing?

So, now someone actually does something and we worry about the bottom line. This sort of thinking has caused the US production base to spread over the globe and be beyond the reach of US rules. Your need for cheap crud from China and the like is one portion of the reason we are deepening into a depression.

To some the best thinking supports the profit motive over the safety of our own flesh and blood. What deplorable conduct. History will judge us harshly.

The new clothes are made in China. They'll be the poisonous ones.

The only way to find clothes made in the USA nowadays is to shop thrift stores and buy used clothes. Now, that will be outlawed. Made in the USA will be totally gone now.

The laws will not be enforced against China. They will poison us as always. Now the people just won't be able to boycott her.

reply to post by Jessicamsa


Has anyone actually read the legislation? I’m no lawyer, but I don't see where it applies to goods manufactured before the law takes affect. Section 102 states specifically that the lead testing only applies to products manufactured 90 AFTER the law takes affect AND a commission establishes accreditation guidelines for the testing agencies to be qualified. Even then, I am not sure it applies to clothing.

Section 104 may apply to cribs, high chairs and the like manufactured before that date, but I am not even sure about that. The only direct reference to textiles is a requirement for a commission to be formed with two years of the effective date of this law to study the affects of formaldehydes used in producing some fabrics.

While it may be typical for Congress to pass laws I think are unnecessary or even stupid, it is much more typical for the public to overreact before they do a little research to understand what is really going on.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
The is a result of Centralized Planning.

Centralized Planning is why the Soviet Union Collapsed.

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"I do believe you though. Got any decent links? "

No, I use google.

I won't do your googling for you - you'll have to google it yourself.

You don't have to believe me, I probly won't even read your reply to this post.




i have to say this is the 2nd oor 3rd thread,,,,in which you come off as holier than now,,,,and being here a while ,,,,i've never seen another come off like this.

and as i figured ,,,your a new mbr with less than a month,,,

you pull, some term,,,,not directly related to the topic,,, and then rip there heaad off,,,,,this is ats,, the burden of proof is on you

[edit on 7-1-2009 by shortywarn]

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Wow! The powers that be are really "going for the throat" as they say. They've taken away people's liberties, and it looks like they're going for people's last shred of dignity. Why don't they just come out and say that what they want is for us to be so damned poor, we'll have to wear blankets and pillow sheets as clothes?

Here's what eventually they will want us to look like:




while they look like this:



[edit on 7-1-2009 by Question]

reply to post by greeneyedleo


I have not found anywhere where it states you can not donate items. It states you can not sell items with out a certificate.

Also, a lot of people are shouting that there should have been some sort of time frame set up giving people time to plan. Well there was. Now its time to change. It is a little too late to fight a bill after it has already passed.

Eventually everything will balance out. As for the financially challenged folks who can only afford to buy from second hand stores, perhaps we can donate clothes to them to help tide them over. I do not feel they should be exempt from this because, I am against eugenics, and leaving the toxic stuff for the less fortunate kids to dumb them down and make them sterile screams eugenics.

AHHH!!!

I wish there was something we could do to stop these evil bastards.

Sadly we have allready let them get to far. There's not really anything we can do to change what they've done. If we do try to change something we would most likely be "silenced".

Now we have a chance to start the underground clothing market. We can smuggle clothes just like drugs. You know, hide them in teddy bears, and on our children.

muhahahaha I can become the kingpin of the illegal clothing market!!!

Originally posted by mrsdudara
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

I have not found anywhere where it states you can not donate items. It states you can not sell items with out a certificate.

Also, a lot of people are shouting that there should have been some sort of time frame set up giving people time to plan. Well there was. Now its time to change. It is a little too late to fight a bill after it has already passed.

Eventually everything will balance out. As for the financially challenged folks who can only afford to buy from second hand stores, perhaps we can donate clothes to them to help tide them over. I do not feel they should be exempt from this because, I am against eugenics, and leaving the toxic stuff for the less fortunate kids to dumb them down and make them sterile screams eugenics.

The solution would have been to BOYCOTT CHINA, not force people to destroy vintage clothing that poses no risk! All this does is force places like Goodwill and Salvation Army that sells used clothes out of business. And the people who depend upon the jobs that these places create will be hurting even more than they are already. These places hire disabled people who do not qualify for disability, for whatever reason, so that they can afford some of the basics in life. The clothing that these places sell have been around for YEARS and they are rarely ever toxic, unless the stuff from China ends up there. All they have to do is boycott China and throw the stuff from China away, but that wouldn't be PC enough and we wouldn't hurt China's feelings now would we?

I'm standing at the crosswalk (all painted and official) with my dogs and not one car (not one) even attempted to yield or slow down. We start off across the road and the one guy that comes along speeds up but my puppy walks at one speed. Everything is about your filthy cars and lack of compassion to your fellow man. People are becoming wild dogs and do not care about anything except indulging their needs and desires.

What about all of the nuclear tests that are in our bones? The DU spread all over Aberdeen Proving Grounds? The DU all over Iraq and Afghanistan? Love Canal ring a bell? What about the leaking nuclear waste water in Washington state?

1st off the USA is not in a recession but instead we are in a depression...
2nd off one of the reasons we got into this fix is that the USA's true manufacturing businesses went to countries that allow cheap labor or even child labor. Union Carbide outright killed 16,000 people in India and ruined an untold number of lives who still suffer. Coke has poisoned part of India as well. Do you really need to review the reality of industrial chemicals in our water, food, air and land?

You would want your baby your flesh and blood to be clad in anything that could hurt it? You do know that when humans start to trivialize the lives and health of human infants that extinction is coming? The fact is that if the clothes were made in the USA by Americans we could create work, exports, safe clothes and reduce the need for foreign loans.

When the situation is such that people are to busy or bothered to slow down for someone crossing the street, when cops are shooting people in the back, when we dress our kids in clothes made by kids contaminated with lead, when our streets and towns are full of filth and when people value their stuff more than a life the solution appears to be that we will fail.

300,000,000+ Crazy Americans who's founding fathers fought and died for NOTHING but the ability to race around in a car and give people the finger. People buying 6K sqft homes while others are living under bridges and in boxes. We can't even grow enough food w/ out fertilizer made from natural gas.

Get a grip!

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

You know just because of this thread i decided to nag some people.

My mom lost around 2 stone in weight along with my dad. Nagging them both resulted in 2 bin bags of clothing.

I decided to bother all my friends as most of them undertook new year oaths to lose weight. I have now gotten hold of 6 bin bags worth of old cloths. Decent stuff not rags. That's 8 bags so far and i am willing to bet i can snag 20 bags of clothing before the month is out.

I seriously hope this new law doesn't come to the UK or other parts of the world. I hope the charities keep posting bags through our door.

I hope most of all that people don't just dump their clothing into landfills, what a waste it is.

reply to post by Question


Well that's one way to inflict great fear. You should become a senator.

reply to post by mrsdudara


OK, well im reading more and maybe donations to charities wont be affected (I hope not) but I drive by a Goodwill store often and it is always packed. So places like that will be affected. So many families rely on Goodwill and 2nd hand shops.

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by mrsdudara
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

I have not found anywhere where it states you can not donate items. It states you can not sell items with out a certificate.

Also, a lot of people are shouting that there should have been some sort of time frame set up giving people time to plan. Well there was. Now its time to change. It is a little too late to fight a bill after it has already passed.

Eventually everything will balance out. As for the financially challenged folks who can only afford to buy from second hand stores, perhaps we can donate clothes to them to help tide them over. I do not feel they should be exempt from this because, I am against eugenics, and leaving the toxic stuff for the less fortunate kids to dumb them down and make them sterile screams eugenics.

The solution would have been to BOYCOTT CHINA, not force people to destroy vintage clothing that poses no risk! All this does is force places like Goodwill and Salvation Army that sells used clothes out of business. And the people who depend upon the jobs that these places create will be hurting even more than they are already. These places hire disabled people who do not qualify for disability, for whatever reason, so that they can afford some of the basics in life. The clothing that these places sell have been around for YEARS and they are rarely ever toxic, unless the stuff from China ends up there. All they have to do is boycott China and throw the stuff from China away, but that wouldn't be PC enough and we wouldn't hurt China's feelings now would we?

China is floating the nations DEBT. Did you notice how we went to China's Olympics? Did you realize that China owns an entire shipping port on the west coast? Chinese construction workers were brought in to build the new Chinese embassy in NY. Costco is Chinese. China owns numerous land holdings, businesses and even roadways. It goes on and on.

Since we owe China essentially TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS our goose is cooked! George Washington stated...

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

Now that has become our own undoing since we never stopped. The party is OVER

Ok so maybe I'm missing something here. $50,000 for the private testing and they can sell? Now, do they have to keep paying that $50,000 after new donations to sell the new products again? If so, this was obviously designed to shut down any lower class thrift store for those in need. Not one store can afford that private testing more than once. I'm sure they took that into consideration. The bank bailout shat all over the middle class. Now on to the lower levels? Can't wait to see what happens Jan 21-22. Me and my community have already bought guns lol, I suggest you all do the same.

reply to post by greeneyedleo

OK, well im reading more and maybe donations to charities wont be affected (I hope not) but I drive by a Goodwill store often and it is always packed. So places like that will be affected. So many families rely on Goodwill and 2nd hand shops.

You go and buy at Goodwill or Salvation Army - you don’t have to give your name.

You go to collect some charity clothes - you can bet you’re going to have to start registering for them - if you don’t have to already.

Is it a coincidence Goodwill and the like are going down???

I think not.




[edit on 7-1-2009 by silo13]

Finally a sensible government directive. If these stores go out of business, so be it. Society doesn't need these profiteering PEDDLERS OF DISEASE AND DEATH. Good riddance to bad rubbish. IMO, their chinese merchandise is strategically designed to contain these pollutants anyway.
These stores' chinese masters could easily produce acceptably testing goods with little further effort or investment. I fear though that poising the 'white devils' is not completely off their agenda yet.

reply to post by civilized mammal

Society doesn't need these profiteering PEDDLERS OF DISEASE AND DEATH.

Community Second Hand Stores, Goodwill and Salvation Army *peddlers of disease and death*?

Those are the stores that will be shut down.

And profit?

Do you have any idea where that *profit* goes, from those stores?

I don't think so.

In fact I don't think you get this whole thing at all do you.

If i remember right, we have this law allready for many years in Europe ??

They test for example toys and clothing for kids on the presence of toxic elements such as lead, mainly to be found in plastics and paint.

Sometimes big shops have to recall certain series of toys after testing showed a presence of forbidden elements.
Can't even think that in Europe we can still buy paint containing lead.
Most objects being rejected for import mainly come from China.

And i think it has been like that for many many years allready here in Europe.
Europe has much stricter rules than US, and this has been a reason for lots of problems allready.
Especially import of beef from the US, that still contains elements being forbidden here.

On the other hand, regarding all kinds of fluids being used in industry, US has a better system of prevention than Europe.

Guess they are trying to force exporting economies like China to deliver products with the same high standards as the home-made products. To prevent our markets being flooded with 'cheaper and less safer' products.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by civilized mammal

 

Society doesn't need these profiteering PEDDLERS OF DISEASE AND DEATH.

Community Second Hand Stores, Goodwill and Salvation Army *peddlers of disease and death*?

Those are the stores that will be shut down.

And profit?

Do you have any idea where that *profit* goes, from those stores?

I don't think so.

In fact I don't think you get this whole thing at all do you.

Involuntarily Community second hand stores like the Salvation Army etc. will be TEMPORARILY affected. They'll receive acceptable donations shortly after. So no harm is done really at all to them.
As for profit, where it goes is not important at all. As long as there is no profit derived from causing a small child to develop epileptic seizures due to lead poisoning etc.
Morality should certainly be put on a higher level than economics.