Palestine Unarmed Girl Stands Up Against israeli Army[Video]

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
If I was a soldier doing my job and she was in the way then I would just shoot her and carry on doing what I was paid and ordered to do.
Thats reality.War has no conscience.

Wrong. YOU have no bleeping conscience. If I was a bystander with a gun and saw you shoot her just for that, I'd give up my life, but so would you. Cause I'd kill you deader than hell. Automatic pilot.

Count on me on you side TrueAmerican , every step of the way till the job is done.

This video will go down in history like that guy who stepped in front of a tank echelon and would not quit.

reply to post by DrumsRfun


just like Nuremburg eh "just following orders, doing my job. What a good little nazi you are.

I found the girl. She's Huwaida Arraf. Her relief group was the one that went in on the boat that was rammed by a Israeli ship (the boat that Cynthia McKinney was on). This woman is fearless.

This video a must watch, because it dispels the rumor that the people on the boat went there unannounced.

Skip to 7:15 to see her interview.

I hope there's a lot more around the world like her. The more proactive one is the more they can change things for better or worse. That video brings some rays of light in the dark gloomy world we live in...

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Shaker]

*changed the comment due to previously unknown wiki knowledge

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Shaker]

reply to post by Shaker


Here's her wikipedia page:

en.wikipedia.org...

She's already married to Adam Shapiro. She herself is Christian and her husband is Jewish.

[edit on Thu Jan 8th 2009 by DJMessiah]

Damn Israel.

They need to cease all operations now, get back to Israel, and get back to dodging rockets indefinitely.


And I don't know about you, but if I stand in front of a bulldozer, or any vehicular traffic for that matter, I'd expect to get some owies.

The solution is simple. Instead of shooting anyway, you lay the butt of your rifle up side her head, and then your field of fire is restored.

At no time should a soldier allow anyone to keep him from his intended targets. It puts at risk the girl, and his brother soldiers from a sniper or enemy shooter.

The girl was not brave. She was beyond foolish, and I can think of a thousand other days that anyone else in any of those other armies, against their enemies would have shot right through her.

reply to post by darkshooter

Unless that target wasnt a threat, and by that video obviously there wasnt an immediate threat to the soldiers life or his fellow soldier. Otherwise I am sure he would have knocked the girl out and protected himself from harm. It looked to me like he was playing target practice with children and there families that were obviously of no threat.

Wow, she was incredibly brave, braver than the guy holding the gun that's for sure.

If only there were more people able to be like her.
Actually I'm sure there are, we just don't see it very often.

Yeah sure, those who don't want to obey and be slaves, they're foolish. Good logic. Learned that one in school.

But, whatever this girl or her likes do, humanity is beyond repair. They can't change the will of the people...

reply to post by mystiq


So, you don't see any contradiction between this:

And they are also told no matter what, to never follow any orders that would harm anyone, especially any innocents.

and this:?

If the guy over your head gives you a bad order, take HIM out!!!!!!

Actually, in the US military, you're obligated to refuse illegal orders -- but that doesn't mean you get to kill the issuer.

Not to generalize, but seems to me I've heard more violent revenge fantasies from self-professed "pacifists" and vegans than any other group, except, possibly, late-teen boys.

reply to post by becomingaware


The fact that you think she may be American makes you very proud? Are you having a laugh or what? If it wasn't for the American government turning a blind eye to and in some regards actively encouraging Israeli atrocities people like this incredibly brave girl would not have to put themselves in such dangerous situations?

Originally posted by Wertdagf

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In the face of war, nobody is ignornant. At the age of five i would have died for any of my family, and i'm a white atheist, with little interest in politics or greed.Does that blow your mind?

no your ignorance is quite clear. If it was my land id move rather than for me and my children suffer for it. Your saying that you would glady die for your family... what does that mean? You would strap a bomb to your chest to distroy the evil occupiers that are just doing their job to put food on the table and protect their familys?

If this is what your family wants.. then they know nothing of love... and then saddly neither would you. You will get exaclty what you want through your logic.. suffering and death.

That's a very narrow minded view of what he said. Here I'll give you a hypothetical.

Your in Gaza. You're born there and your family cannot get food and your little sister is going hungry. Your entire family dies from bomb and you witness it. You are angry at the people who killed your family.

Are you telling me the people who experience war first hand from the enemy will be thinking about how the enemy has families and are waging a just war to put bread on their families table?

Your family is dead. You're not making excuses for the people who killed them, starved you, forced you into a place where you cannot escape.

So in the last 50 years no one thought that a place that constantly launches rockets into a neighboring country, from their frount lawn no less, is not a great place to raise kids?

In the last 50 years.... has there been no chance for anyone to leave this tiny strip and move into europe? Its a crazy place to live... you knwo those religous extremeist on both sides are wanting to taste death... why make your children witness it?

I wouldnt live in isreal... or anywhere in the middle east... their religions calls for death, murder, and theft on both sides.

No place to raise a child... As soon as the first gangs in any state in USA gets rockets and uses improvised explosives... im moving to the mountians.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
So in the last 50 years no one thought that a place that constantly launches rockets into a neighboring country, from their frount lawn no less, is not a great place to raise kids?

In the last 50 years.... has there been no chance for anyone to leave this tiny strip and move into europe? Its a crazy place to live... you knwo those religous extremeist on both sides are wanting to taste death... why make your children witness it?

I wouldnt live in isreal... or anywhere in the middle east... their religions calls for death, murder, and theft on both sides.

No place to raise a child... As soon as the first gangs in any state in USA gets rockets and uses improvised explosives... im moving to the mountians.

Ok so now your saying every sensible person like you shouldn't be there in the first place. OK If anything, 10 years of rocket firing should tell the residents that an invasion wont come about from it.

Anyway, there are a multitude of reasons why families can't just up and move.

Remember when you are deciding what people should do, you should try to put yourselves in their shoes. Otherwise you just come off as ignorant (telling the peasants what to do while in your castle). Those of that religion don't see it as calling for death, murder and theft. In any case that is a sweeping generalisation that doesn't consider the miniority use it for such purposes, just like christianity.



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reply to post by mystiq


It is not stupid to stand in the line of fire for friends, family and children. It is done out of "love" which is something that is fading quickly in this ever growing world of darkness.

She made those soldiers think about what they were doing. She also showed others that it doesn't take a gun to force peace. It only takes rational thought and consideration for other human lives.

If a situation like this occured on your street, are you not going to stand between those with guns and the ones you love?

reply to post by DrumsRfun

i doubt what she was doing was being done for the cameras...she was standing up for what she believed and that is anything but dumb...anyone doing the right thing or the moral thing just for a camera is not doing it for the right reasons at all

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
If I was a soldier doing my job and she was in the way then I would just shoot her and carry on doing what I was paid and ordered to do.

You can't be serious..

I truly hope for the sake of your soul that you don't mean that.
Even though I don't know you, I refuse to believe that you're
such a monster.. and if you really are, then I will pray that you
may never prove to be.

[edit on (8/1/09) by Wehali]

reply to post by Lawlord

Remember when you are deciding what people should do, you should try to put yourselves in their shoes. Otherwise you just come off as ignorant (telling the peasants what to do while in your castle). Those of that religion don't see it as calling for death, murder and theft. In any case that is a sweeping generalisation that doesn't consider the miniority use it for such purposes, just like christianity.

Like the salem witch trials.... or the crusades.. just because these religous nuts are fat and happy doesnt mean they wont flip as soon as the SHTF. Thats how it always happens.... this is why we say history repeats itself. Thier flawed logic is never fixed... only put on a milder course, because of their satisfied egos.