I’m Sick Of The Anti Israel Sentiment Here On ATS!

So, having read a great many of the posts on this thread, some of them, barely recognizable with logic, flow, or intent, or syntactic composition... Other than sit at each keyboard, threaten to sue, yell, scream at each other, and virtually masturbate in a frisson of hatred, and name calling...

Whatchagonnado?

Continue to sit, for hours, in front of your monitors and keyboards and be all excited about the impersonal aspects of calling each other names, virtually hating one another?????

There seems to be a whole bunch of you all... Why don't you get together, organize and get something going? The government is here to do our bidding, not we to do theirs!

Well... I imagine since I used the "M" word, this post will disappear... Back to the delights of the Bermuda Triangle for me.

If there weren't 2 religions demonizing the other side and fighting over holy land none of this would even be.

These people(and most people) need a science lesson.

You're on one of 4x10 to the 28th planets(lowball estimate).(40000000000000000000000000000)
You're species modern man, has been around(an evolving) 28,000 years, out of the 13.7 billion estimated.
You're small, you've been here the blink of an eye, and you continue this territorial pissing to the point of killing off the others born as naive and predispoded to their environment as you are. Up with the realization, and down with ignorance(which is the only way to have hate).

If you have enough perspective, you're unable to hate. You realize nothing choose to be how it is, and that freedom of choice is an illusion. It's all one big chemical reaction and no one, and nothing is to blame.

Sit in the shoes of everyone, and you won't pain them.

how can u not be anti about the jews?


in WW2 they were caged like animals and slaughtered like lamb.

and the very same thing they are doing to another group of people who half there population are children.

what do u expect if you are cahed up like that


What would moses think about all this now? are they the people he led from egypt to the promised land?


they are the killers of jesus and they will be the killers of the next jesus.

a ficle bunch of people who think they are better then every one else or i like to say(gods gift to earth)

there is no win win situation for any one here. or this will lead to is another world war.

Originally posted by Muundoggie
Conflict will never end until all sides that worship a vengeful god realize that their god is in reality THE DEVIL.
Only the devil revels in bloodshed.
An all loving god will never teach that killing another human being is what god wants.

True, starred and befriended!

If I want to be a bigot, anti-semetic, or just plain hate any person or group of people, that is my right and you have to live with that. We are all entitled to our opinions. Especially in a place such as ATS, a forum where you are encouraged to speak your view on a subject, even if it may not be shared by other members.

As for me personally, I think Israel as a whole is completely hypocritical. They spout peace and unity in the middle east while engaging in absurd amounts of conflict. I am sure diplomacy might work... if your agenda wasn't complete cultural genocide and the abolishing of Palestinian land. So what if they own some land. I bet if Israel actually helped Gaza with medical aid, food, and the establishing of infrastructure, then they would be much less inclined to hurl glorified bottle rockets at their oppressors through sheer desperation. Anyone would.

I do not believe Palestine is completely right either though. I think maybe if they stopped the rocket attacks, suicide bombings, and promoted peace by doing, then maybe Israel would be a bit more inclined to help. They show no reason for Israel to be peaceful, although there are many, many good people in Palestine that are caught up in a hell on Earth.

Someone has to make the first move, either Palestine promote a peace through halting all attacks, or Israel allowing aid and food into Gaza, as well as letting them keep what little remaining land they have left - or trade all of the land Palestine occupies scattered about, to Israel in return for a piece of land more concentrated, which they could start their own small government within.

Both sides would have a decent incentive to live in peace, harmony, and to prosper as seperate entities. This would be the model the rest of the world could maybe even look up to in the future, the idea of two groups of people rising to peace after years of conflict.

I can only hope for the safety and survival of the innocent people caught up in someone elses war.

reply to post by mikesingh


I do not condone terrorism. Neither do I condone throwing good money after bad. What, precisely, has the U.S. gained from decades of support of Israel; a country that actively spies on our innermost debates and policy decisions?

We should remove ourselves completely from the Arab/Jew conflicts and let them resolve their differences on their own.

Israel has benefitted from an inordinate amount of attention and fiscal support over the last 25 years. We should stop now all support for any religion-based governments, and allow them to work out their own secular/faith priorities. They are none of our business.

I'm sick of RELIGION forcing it's way into discussions and disagreements as a way to discount/discredit/disarm another's point of view or opinion.

Disagreeing with Palestine Gov - makes you an Islamic hater
Disagreeing with Israel Gov - makes you a contemptible Jew hater
Disagreeing with Iraq/Afghanistan Gov - makes you a Muslim hater


and on and on and on and on....

I have watched many threads be absolutely trashed...threads that questioned a POLITICAL view Military view or a monetary view...be turned into religious debates.

In MOST cases the actual Gov's in place DO NOT represent the entire population they govern/rule/dictate over.

Break the arguments down to their roots, take religious views out of them and discuss intelligently and maturely and try to remember that regardless of your religion you bleed the same damn blood, breath the same damn air, we're born the same and die the same regardless of your chosen god/deity/spirit etc etc etc.

I get sick of religion period.

the majority of posts are NOT anti->>>insert religious belief here.


My point is IF you can demonstrate any poster's CLEAR and undeniable racism/bigotry toward any religious group.race/colour etc etc then it should be forwarded/flagged for staff to review.

If there is soooo much antisemitism here how is allowed if it is so obvious a breach of the T & C???

I suppose I am antisemetic as I am notoriously against the Israeli governement???

I am also against the Palestinian gov...so I'm anti islam too.

I really really can't stand the mentality of the Arabian Gov...suppose again that makes me anti islam.

Holy I am just a big racist and I didn't even know it!

I'd list the rest of the gov's I don't like (that happen to rule over a religious majority of population) but I'm afraid they'd start burning things on my lawn. Or get me at the grocery store....or worse...ruin one of my NON RELIGIOUS threads with religious rhetoric and BS. (hasn't happened as no one reads my threads anyway but I'm juss sayin')


Religion detracts from some great threads...threads where religious views were never even mentioned in the original OP.

Perspective. religion notoriously limits it.


[edit on 1/5/2009 by justgeneric]

*the hated are those who began the war i guess and also those who have no code of honour and values and who usually use the blitz technique especially when the opponent had been weackened by embargo and is a poor country of the third world
*i don't believe it is courage,it is rather cowardice
*as a muslim i never use the word Israel when it comes to the middle east knowing thru' Holy Koran who Israel was: i like the term of zionist entity,an out-of-space-and-out-of-time place which reminds us of days of colonialisme,a nightmare generated by the american dream
*as for the word "antisemitism" it is ethymologically false:arabs are semitic but "arabophobia" is not antisemitism synonym and thus,every reality one would try to describe with false words will be false as well:antisemitism,et least the situation and/or attitude described by such a forgery is one itself:i don't believe zionism will ever be welcomed by the human kind because it is exclusive as i don't believe zionists will accept non-jews in their out-of-space-and-out-of-time place:it's all past and disconnected from the present and thus from the future:things are as simple as this,remember what used to be before 1948,before the counter-exodus...
*Muslims did not ask zionists to come their way,i mean to Palestine but these ones did...they brought war with them and unrest so they still have what they brought with them

bla bla bla bla bla. I'm just a little confused on why our government unconditionally supports israel

reply to post by gate13


Yes the very same thing is happening now, should the Jewish have not learned and be more caring of the pitiful Palestinians after what happened to them in WW2?

No water.
No food.
No aid.
No escape.
Sounds like a concentration camp to me.

Originally posted by RFBurns
From a neutral prospective, both are wrong, both are the cause of their own demise, and both are responsible for what is to come. Plain and simple.

You cannot ignore the history as to why these two peoples began clashing and continue to do so. It is at the very core of why they continue to fight each other.

Thats the problem with most these days. They do not want to look at the whole story, just the bits and pieces to fit their point of view and support for which ever side they happen to be on.

At this point it really doesnt matter anymore, both are gonna fight, both are gonna kill innocent civilians, and both are gonna wind up loosing brownie points from the world prospective.

Two wrongs never made a right and never will, nor does two wrongs deserve any sympathy for their wrong doing.




Cheers!!!!

[edit on 5-1-2009 by RFBurns]

No reason for me to post my feelings as you have stated it correctly. This should be quoted every couple of pages to encourage common sense.

Right now we live in an age where one sees who pulls the gears for war. This is always a little group deciding for the whole. Seeing how Israel is justifying the terror they're causing is unbelievable. Remember that no sane family, whatever the religion they have wants war. Simply because of that you can expect people to be anti Israel right now.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by theindependentjournal

 

So you are against freedom of speech in this board that is actually run privately.

Well good luck, my friend and I am sorry you feel this way.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by marg6043]

i'm not here to take sides but i do have to point something out ok, in a private board such as this one the freedom of speech is only an illusion that is controlled by the goverming body. the TOC is a prime example of this since it can be changed and modified at any time without warning by the owners without the will of the user here.

however i will also point out that people need rules otherwise you have chaos and that benefits no one, and that if you want true freedom to express your feelings and thoughts you should get it in print and let people read it rather than hiding your opinions behind the internet and some avatar.

this war is never going to stop until one side whipes the other side out and right now i see israel being top dog in that, there can be no peace with terrorist as you saw all they do during peace time is stockpile weapons for a new offensive.

its been the same for a long time now and if innocent people dont wana get hurt i'd say get the hell out of the way and stop giving into the hype and rethoric leave the past where it belongs and stop killing ewach other blowing each other up and hating each other and arguing and everything. i believe there will come a time for peace but not for a long time.

I'm sick and tierd of this threads, it's not going to solve anything.It won't make any difrence.The strugle in Israel and around Israel is going to continiue for an infinite period until sun hits earth and we all die.

I have found many ignorant posts while I was reading the posts regarding Gaza, where people act like natzis and blame everything on the Pallys.

Shame by the way this comming from a Christian, I'm not even a Muslim.

Originally posted by RFBurns
From a neutral prospective, both are wrong, both are the cause of their own demise, and both are responsible for what is to come. Plain and simple.

You cannot ignore the history as to why these two peoples began clashing and continue to do so. It is at the very core of why they continue to fight each other.

I understand our need to remember the history of humanity,

But it becomes moronic,

Mommy, Mommy, back in 711 Islam conquered Spain,

or
mommy, mommy, the Jews, blah blah blah in, 70 AD.

Dear god.

Ive only been here a lil while, and ive never seen anything against jews as a race or religion, but yes we have our disagreements about the state of ISRAEL and the ZIONISTS

Instead of always acting the victim, the Israelis need to ask why their neighbors hate them. Could it be because the Israelis restrict the freedom and human rights of the Arabs the same things they accuse other of doing? Until Israel can come to an answer to this question there can be no peace. My frustrations are that other countries get “sucked into” this conflict and suffer for something that is not our concern!

Threads like these should not exist as there can never be a conclusion, only anger and resentment.


Anti-Israeli, Anti-Chinese, Anti-NWO, Anti-Communism, Anti-Religion, Anti-U.S. Government.

All of these are central themes that I have came across during my time here at ATS.

And after seeing all the hatred between the members on ATS, the only institution that I think could be blamed is the mainstream media. The media creates so much misinterpretation amongst the majority of the population leading to -ism(s) and mental retardation.



Why "sick" of Israeli haters? I'm sick and tired of neo colonialism and this is topic that's considered as more important?

Israel and Palestine will fight forever until U.S. gives Israel the green light to use nuclear weapons.

Think about the problems affecting the WORLD. Think about something that will benefit the famished, not those rich bastards in banks.

I am surprised Mike, that you would author a thread where you insinuate that if we're not for Israel we're terrorist-lovers. Cuz that is cow-hockey, and I'm surprised someone who is usually so polite and benign-sounding would say something so offensive.

I'm not racist, I don't hate the Jews as a people. I hate humans in general regardless of race, religion, or creed.

Do I think Israel's creation was a good idea? No I do not. But the fact is that it exists now and lots of people live there, so somehow (and I'm not holding my breath) they all need to learn how to Co-Exist. And Israel's #1 priority should be getting Palestine their own state. That might go a long way towards easing tensions, don't you all think?

I understand why the Palestinians do the things they do, however. One man's "terrorist organization" is another man's freedom fighters, and from the eyes of the average Gaza Palestinian I'm sure it seems as if Hamas is the only ones trying to help them. I probably would have voted for them too under those circumstances. (Yes, I realize my name is probably now on a list of "Terrorist Sympathizers" as I type this.)

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by RFBurns
From a neutral prospective, both are wrong, both are the cause of their own demise, and both are responsible for what is to come. Plain and simple.

You cannot ignore the history as to why these two peoples began clashing and continue to do so. It is at the very core of why they continue to fight each other.

Thats the problem with most these days. They do not want to look at the whole story, just the bits and pieces to fit their point of view and support for which ever side they happen to be on.

At this point it really doesnt matter anymore, both are gonna fight, both are gonna kill innocent civilians, and both are gonna wind up loosing brownie points from the world prospective.

Two wrongs never made a right and never will, nor does two wrongs deserve any sympathy for their wrong doing.




Cheers!!!!

No reason for me to post my feelings as you have stated it correctly. This should be quoted every couple of pages to encourage common sense.

If anyone wishes, I have no objection.


Cheers!!!!