I’m Sick Of The Anti Israel Sentiment Here On ATS!

well, if I say: 'israel bombs palestinians and kill them', it is not anti-israel sentiment it is a fact...

I am amazed by your reaction, mike...

no star and no flag for you

Densely populated areas like Gaza are apparently popular breeding grounds for terrorism anyway. Cabrini green, Chicago? People are still basically much like animals and Gaza is just another chaotic human style zoo. Just remember what they had to do to Cabrini green.

What lesson is god sending here? less is more? Less land for Palestine, more resentment for Israel? Can someone put this scenario in the form of causality as if planned this way? What are we still doing wrong?

People have an intrinsic need to hate. There are only a few groups that are PC to hate. One of these is Israel. It's racism at best. Haters are as bad as the people they hate. When we stop hating and blaming, maybe we can start working on the peace process.

Edit to add *S&F*

[edit on 1/5/2009 by darkelf]

The tensions have been brewing between Israel and Palestine longer than I've been on this earth. I believe it stems back at least a hundred years if not more.

These people are born into the hate, racism and war, people cry foul about the attacks on innocent civilians and I only agree to an extent, what gets me is these same innocent civilians raised their children to hate the opposition, they've done it for generations, why should I feel sorry for people who can't forgive and forget? People who don't teach their children acceptance?

Peace doesn't seem to be an option anymore, maybe both sides just need to wipe each other out? So who ever is left over can make a clean start.





I'm guessing I'll get flamed from both sides here and I apologise if I have offended anyone, I'm just airing my thoughts.



[edit on 5-1-2009 by Chadwickus]

reply to post by darkelf


racism? you want to talk about racism?

there is no country on this earth more racist than israel. it dosnt matter what religion you are. you could be arab christian.
arab muslim.
arab jew.

if you arnt one of the ahskanzi jews than you are treated like dog crap.

i talked to a palestinian arab christian at one of the churches in jerusalem where he worked. he said he didnt know how much longer he would be able to work there because the jews were starting to hassle him at the roadblocks.

israel is rascist! i hate racism in all its forms but ill be dammned if i have to turn a blind eye to them most racist people of them all because they happen to be "gods chosen people"

what balogne

[edit on 5-1-2009 by TheRepublic]

reply to post by TheRepublic


That is one truth that nobody that supports Israel wants to know.

But also Arabs are the same if you are not one of them you can not even enter their lands without permission, remember that.

Many in America tend to forget that while America has "open borders" is not so in countries around the world.

And America doesn't like to respect that when it comes to Arabs nations but it supports it when the State of Israel government does it.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Try alot longer than a few hundred years...more like thousands of years..even before the time of Jesus.



Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by darkelf
People have an intrinsic need to hate. There are only a few groups that are PC to hate. One of these is Israel. It's racism at best. Haters are as bad as the people they hate. When we stop hating and blaming, maybe we can start working on the peace process.

Also its "PC" to hate Smokers.
"druggies"
the KKK and neonazis

IMO its wrong to hate them.
Especially the KKK and Nazi's. their motto is "HATE"

SO if you Hate the Haters, they won, because your now a hater too.

Mike, I usually appreciate your research and opinion, however in this case I just don't see any reason to star or flag.

If you are clipping a segment out of this 2000 year conflict and basing you opinion on that visual, fine. But this conflict has many causes & effects that people seem to want to ignore.

I have no reason to love Palestinians outside of that their human, nut when looking at the facts (all the facts) it is hard to not see Israel as the aggressor.

They themselves used terror tactics to ascertain Israel from arabs, now they are pointing the vilifying finger when the oppressees begin fighting back from oppression?

Not only that, but have you heard some of the slanderous quotes by Israeli leaders over the decades? they believe arabs to be scum.

Not cool.

And to the person that threatens to sue... Another part of the problem.

AAC

reply to post by marg6043

But also Arabs are the same if you are not one of them you can not even enter their lands without permission, remember that.

actually that is not true. i lived in their lands for 6 months and no one hassled me...i did have to get a visa but so does everyone that travels to any other country. that was the only permission i asked for.

i think what you may be refrencing is the city of mecca. you cannot enter mecca unless you are muslim, so it is a religious thing not a racial one. if i converted to islam i could have gone.

contrast that with the state of israel where i almost got arrested and they took my passport for a few mineuts because i was holding an arabic newspaper.

Mike, I understand your frustration, but I think all this thread is going to do is bring more anti-_____ (insert Israel or Palestine) people out of the woodwork. Perhaps this is better put in the RANT section - unless you think there is an anti-Israel conspiracy with those that run ATS.

Israel will wake up one day and realize, it is its own worst enemy. Israel’s use of a stacked deck ( i.e. cheating ) when playing with the lives of innocent Palestinians in Gaza, will someday come back to haunt them. The timeless laws of creation hold sway. Willful participants in the act of wholesale genocide inevitably become fettered to an incurred karmic debt. Anyone, who in their heart supports / participates in cold blooded murder, is sooner or later, up for serious cosmic payback.

I agree I quite site due to the use of it for propaganda and non fact based isubjects.
There are now units that post there items here to forward there cause.
About the Gaza issue, "Hamas" is firing rockets. Izzy"s should get 10000 and spread out over the country then fire 10 back everytime one comes in.

10 goes out or "Samo-Samo" or Yin/Yang..

Jim

What is the point of fighting terrorism if you become one in the process (hint: both USA and Israel)? There has got to be a better way (hint: strive for peace AT ALL costs).

Mike - I absolutely agree with you, and you've voiced my opinions utterly. Starred and flagged.

I've been a member here for two or three years now. I don't have any particular interest in the middle east - or in Jewish history particularly - I'm here for the aliens and funny-shaped rocks, mostly!

But I was shocked to discover on looking at my posting record on these boards what a high proportion have been responses to anti-Jewish threads. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I know I've seen plenty of anti-Muslim threads too.

The problem is this is a conspiracy site. If someone has a problem with a particular country or religious group, and really wants to, they can make a conspiracy out of more or less anything and claim justification for putting their opinions on the board. So a Islamic fundamentalist terrorist attack on the West is posted up as a conspiracy perpetuated by all followers of Islam, and an aggressive attack on Palestine is posted up as a Zionist conspiracy in which all Jewish people are involved.

My view: this isn't the correct forum for these theories. Heaven knows there are plenty of websites out there for people who want to discuss justification for religious intolerance or bigotry. It's not why I signed up for ATS, though - and to my mind the presence of this kind of half-baked thinking only gives credence to those who don't choose to take the material that's posted on here (in good faith) seriously. If you wanted any evidence that ATSers are a bunch of whacko nutjobs you could do a lot worse than search for "Zionist conspiracy" and read the first few posts.

The reality in this instance is much more stark and distressing. Both sides, as is so often the case, are utterly in the wrong and utterly unable to see the other side of the coin. The "conspiracy", if there is one, is not Islam against the West, or Judaism and the New World Order. It is two authorities both utterly obsessed with greed and their own power, and all too willing to put their own people in the line of fire to further their aims. It may be this is the greatest conspiracy in human history - but it's not complicated. It's called human nature.

Please, let's drop the half-witted, juvenile mud-slinging. It gets us nowhere, and there are people dying out there that won't find it helpful.

LW

reply to post by TheRepublic


One thing that my husband remember while in the middle east is that they are very proud people and they despise outside intervention, he spend 6 months in Saudi Arabia and yes they have strict rules that they expect to be follow by any outsider visiting their country.

While you are right that Mecca can not be visited by non muslin is also true that you have to be invited by the somebody to be able to visit the nation, that is what my husband learn while there.

Also he noticed while station during the first gulf war in Saudi that British troops lacked respect for them and their traditions, while the US tried very hard to respect them. They also have a lot of conflict and distrust of each others tribes so yes they are very complicated but when they like you, you become their friend for life.

its funny that you bring this up, and say things like "by extension, pro Islamic Jihad that the terrorist groups like the Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, LeT".

now, i wouldn't realy say i SUPPORT tribal groups, i do support freedom, of choice, speech, free rights, ext.........but know i DO NOT support SLAUGHTER like that which is being carried out by Israeli troops.

but then, i have to say something about the whole thread right here:
where you say "enact Sharia laws akin to what the Taliban did in Afghanistan not too long ago" - the afghan PEOPLES say it was BETTER WITH TALIBAN CONTROL (google "afghan people prefer taliban rule" and see what comes up......) under taliban control the people atleast had the reasources they needed to survive, when the coalition forces moved into afghanistan and started confiscating/burning the poppy fields the people started to starve, throwing the middle east back even farther into the stoneage.


SUPPORT THE FREEDOM OF THE GAZA PEOPLES, NOT THEIR FUNDAMENTALIST WARLORDS.

reply to post by marg6043


oh i see i never made it to saudi arabia, though i know people who lived there. i know it is very strict but i always got the impression they were strict out of religious reasons not racial ones.

i only went to egypt israel and jordan
in egypt i was treated very well
in israel i was treated like complete dog crap.
and it is my firm belief that there is no group of people more hospitable in the world than the jordanians.

That the truth might indict someone, or a group that is ethnic, or a country, or religious movement is neither racist nor bigoted, it is simply the truth.

Calling the truth or facts defamation to excuse one’s individual or collective acts as a contrivance of avoiding ones complicity and responsibility for them is simply as discrediting as the acts and facts that speak so poorly of a character, agenda or act that requires such desperate and thin measures in hopes of avoiding the consequences of those acts.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Usually the people who speak it do so out of love.

I don't condone Israel's genocidal policies, or U.N. Violations, or Hamas attempts to use violence to spotlight the political plight of disenfranchised Palestinians either. I love all the people of the earth.

There are no bad people. Just people who sometimes do bad things.

reply to post by TheRepublic


Yes they are distrust because religious reasons you are right but the racial problem may come with their distrust on their own different ethnic groups that divide them into tribes.

I think you are familiar with that that is why the middle east will never unite and fight back because even when they are Arabs they are bound to tribal traditions.

My husband have a lot of good experiences from Saudi Arabi but that is for anothe thread.