War on pirates? Bite me!

Yes you would need assets on site but not that many warships. A small platoon of Marines, probably a squad of them which is around 12 Marines could take these pirates out. If not them then send in a recon unit or if it came down to it send in a seal detachment. These pirates are good at taking unarmed ships, but they will not be anywhere near capable of fighting off a well trained military unit. These units can be deployed anywhere in the world within 24 hours, I say 24 hours because I figure if I put any less time people will flip and say its impossible to get troops there that fast. It doesnt take near the amount of time to move troops as civilian people realize.

Anyways, back on topic. Once the hijacked ship is discovered, it would take "24 hrs" for a small detachment of troops from whatever branch to formulate a plan and reach the target. There is more going on in those waters then the worlds governments want us to know about. No way that much firepower is for just a few 30ft fish trawler boats that are armed with maybe as much as a 50cal. There is more to this story and I am eager to watch it unfold.

But why wait until they're hijacked? By having a large number of assets on site, including Hawkeyes and Aegis you can find them BEFORE they're hijacked. 24 hours is a long time to deploy a unit for the crew of the hijacked ship. In some cases that's enough to get them back to port, where they're seriously reinforced. Then your small detachment is in a world of hurt trying to take the ship back. Not to mention how are they going to get ON the ship? Helo? An AK-47 can bring down a helo. Small boat? Same thing.

Instead of REACTING, why not be PROACTIVE and go after them BEFORE they take 5 ships? Doesn't that make more sense? It sure does to me.

[edit on 1/25/2009 by Zaphod58]

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excellent post its nice to hear from someone with some background knowledge.
the only thing that i want to point out is that most of the hijacked vessels whereabouts is known. unfortunatley they have been condensed into a small area so a millitary mission would be difficult [free 1 ship and watch the consequences]. the whole post stemmed from the fact that there were a lot of navies present in the gulf and for why . pirates/hijackers or to protect international shipping. would it not make sense that the build up could be aimed towards a land based strike . most of the hostiles seem to be operating out of small coastal villages.i do think after all the talk here that the idea that the navies are here to protect/claim artifacts is a bit far gone .

Being proactive, seems to me that they have been a bit over-proactive with that many ships in the area.

Obviously you do not know the capabilities of the American military. Leave the American army out of the picture, because we all know they are not anywhere as well trained as a Marine infantry unit. You send in a few squads of Marines and trust me, those pirates will not win. Send in a seal detachment and the chances for the pirates winning are even more slim.

I never said anything about helos, aircraft or boats coming anywhere close to the hijacked ship. There are far more covert and silent ways to infiltrate the pirates stronghold.

As far as how will they get on the hijacked boat. Just off the top of my head. Airdrop into the gulf under night cover. Be in full scuba gear and use submersable handheld devices to make it to the target point. Then its just a matter of either making a land based attack or scaling the sides of the ship and securing it before moving on to take the pirates out.

It is not that complicated. If you can think it up, most likely the military can do it (as far as attack ideas) The military has alot of different ways to do things, moving troops, different areas and angles of attack. It isnt just all charge in and shoot anymore.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
From what info I've been able to collect over the years, I've got this picture coming out; the war in Irak was launched to re-acquire old technologies left by the ancient Gods.

And the excuse was "terrorists". Sorcha's story is the same, and so is the excuse. "Pirates".

People are quick to call her a hoax, but the only reason people are starting to believe her is because her stories make more sense than the official stories we are being told. If the Governments would stop lying to us, they may regain some credibility back too.

I don't believe for a second we need so many ships, even to find small zodiacs in an ocean. The navy has technology that could detect them from hundreds of miles away. It's important to remember that military technology is always better than what we are told.

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I know a lot about US military ops. If you are going covert then it would be SEAL teams, not Marines. Marines don't do covert. And since most of these ships are being taken close to reinforcements, or ports your SEAL team going after them is going to be in trouble. You say you can have them there in 24 hours, not if you want them to have everything planned out and ready to go, and be effective. It takes time for them to get ready, and to transport them. By the time they get there, the ship is in port with other ships next to it, the crew off, and under guard. Or even if they keep the crew onboard, you have reinforcements right there. So your team storms one ship, what do you think the pirates on the other ships are doing? They're either executing the crews, or they are rushing to fight the team.

I don't underestimate the SEAL teams, but I also don't underestimate the Somali's. I saw what they were capable of in 1993. Yes the Rangers kicked their teeth in, but they also got hurt pretty good doing it.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
People are quick to call her a hoax, but the only reason people are starting to believe her is because her stories make more sense than the official stories we are being told. If the Governments would stop lying to us, they may regain some credibility back too.

So "her" story about a B-52 crashing into a mountain while carrying nuclear weapons causing an earthquake makes more sense to you than plate tectonics? Or her story that there was a major tsunami but the military blacked it out? Or how Australia was going to deport more Muslims than lived in the entire country? Those make sense to you?

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Marines dont do covert ops Exactly where do you get this information, because I know first hand that we do. 1993 was a long time ago to be in the know about what the military is capable of today. A plan can be formulated and executable within 12-18 hours. I know this from first hand experience, and our plan was formulated in roughly 9 hours and we were on site executing the plan 13 hours after receiving our orders and initial brief on the situation.

Bet you didnt know that a ranger is no better then a Marine basis infantry man. They have all the same training and know how. So what makes the Ranger refrerence funny is they are not really all that great.

Anyways, our militaries know where the hijacked ships are, they are doing nothing about it, but they continue to send more ships into the gulf for what. Definitely not to stop pirate attacks. When this all plays out, I believe we will be in for a big shock, maybe not supernatural but possibly the start of another world war or a huge international incident.

Yes the Marines can and have done covert ops, but the majority of them are done by SEAL Teams or Delta.

As for being there in 12-18 hours, it would take that long to get the team in country from the States. They would have to get a dedicated C-130/C-5/-135 transport, which would take almost 12 hours to get them to a staging area. Unless you wanted to pull a team out of Afghanistan or Iraq, where they're needed. Even if you pulled them from somewhere else, you're looking at enough time to get reinforcements to the ship. While I have no doubt that they could take the ship, I do have doubts that they would just fall over dead when they saw an SF team coming at them.

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is it possible that the hijackers havent been challenged as the vessels are not in international waters? it also seems as long as the ransoms are being paid nobody is getting hurt, the vessels are returned intact and with there cargo. as the royal navy carries marines on most of its vessels would an american carrier group, bearing in mind the size of the group, not have special forces on board as standard procedure. if not i would imagine they knew the were heading for a hostage situation and of been deployed all ready to the carrier group. how are we getting info on the hijacked vessels moored along the coast, i would assume there are men on the ground already. the sbs were in south georgia at least three weeks before the falklands task force arrived

"Somali pirates have hijacked a German-owned tanker carrying liquefied petroleum gas in the Gulf of Aden." Sky news said.

SKY NEWS

Where's all the war ships?

[edit on 29/1/09 by freemindmine]

Originally posted by serenityone

True the media we are told that Naval ships are sent there to stop Somali pirates?
....
Who come in small rubber boats?
To be fought off with several aircraft carriers, destroyers, Nuclear submarines, frigates, missile cruisers and minesweepers?


There´s definately something strange going on here!

Being a newbie on ATS I'm not sure if this is cool or not, but I'll post and leave it to the MOD to keep or delete and hope I don't get flamed.

I did a video on youtube entitled "Gulf of Aden - The Coming Conflict", where I tried to connect some of the dots,
www.youtube.com...

I've seen various sites conjecture that there is a stargate there and it is being used by the Illuminati/elite to leave the planet, while others are saying that the stargate is actually allowing "aliens" to enter our dimension. Some have said it's aliens here to help us, others disagree.

I read somewhere (and I'm still trying to find the source) that the stargate was opened when the LHC was first run last summer. And that the LHC was shut down because they discovered the problem, kinda like the Philadelphia experiment. The cover being that there was a technical glitch with one of the LHC magnets.

I find it amazing that the MSM has said little on the matter, other than the few news blips about "another attempted pirate attack". I've yet to see a full accounting of all the ships and countries being represented.

I hate that we are at the mercy of the few, with regards to information, and wish there was a more viral method of getting news/information to the masses

Shy of an individual flying to the region to do investigative reporting, we're really at the mercy of the MSM. However, the new version of Google Earth makes me hopeful that some of the vital stuff can make it's way to the people.

I hate being in the dark.

And why is that?

[edit on 09/2/20 by serenityone]