Israel-If This Thread Doesn't Open You're Eyes,Then Nothing Will.

Surely this whole long-standing Arab-Israeli dispute is about the Temple Mount.



This conflict is not about lives or revenge. It's a battle to claim the place where "God chose to rest his Divine Presence" once and for all.

What do you expect from a bunch of German Jews who were educated by the tender hand of National Socialism?

The victors assume the trappings of the vanquished, they do not discard them.

excellent thread. S+F

Both sides are in the wrong but when Israeli officals admit they are fighting on the offensive makes you think.



At least America is not the most hated country in the world for once.

Originally posted by DantesLost
Thats right,another thread on Israel. Why?

YES. WHY?

You did not sufficiently answer that question. So I will. This is yet ANOTHER Gaza-war thread - one of dozens upon dozens - in which the same anti-Israel posters will blather on and on, and in which the same anti-Hamas posters will arrive and counter the blathering with more. Exactly the same thing is being said thread after thread - and no one listens to any of the facts posted.

BTW ... your myopic view is disturbed.

Credit for the formation of the Israeli state, is due to the UN.

reply to post by drock905



I wonder where all of you were for decade after decade as Hamas and various other Palestinian organizations kills thousands of Israeli civilians intentionally. Where was the outrage against the Palestinians that committed these murders? Hamas TARGETS Israeli civilians. They have for decades. Hamas has strapped bombs to mentally retarded people and made them unwitting suicide bombers. Palestinian fanatics have forced their own children to be suicide bombers. Where is the outrage?

People on here post videos and images of things in Gaza right now and most people here condemn Israel and Jews. Where was the condemnation for decade after decade when pictures of blown up cafes, buses and plazas in Israel?

Obviously there have been wrongs committed by Israeli's, but I am just wondering where all of the anger was against Hamas and various Palestinian terrorist organizations that have killed Jews for decades?

Isn't it quite something that people on here can call Israeli Jews evil, and condemn them and support Palestine, but at the same time never condemned Hamas or called them evil for what they did against them for decades?

If you don't support whats going on in Gaza right now, I can 110% understand. But there has never been the outrage from most of you at what Hamas and Palestinian terrorists did to Israel. There is no equality in your rage. If what Israel is doing is evil, what Hamas and terrorists have done and do is evil as well. This post isn't meant to be in support of Israel, but more to point out the flat out hypocrisy of most of you. It is sad and tragic what is happening in Gaza right now. But not anymore tragic than what happened to Jews in Israel for decades. Both are sad, but the same tears shed for Palestine should be shed for the murdered Jews as well.

Originally posted by Cythraul
Surely this whole long-standing Arab-Israeli dispute is about the Temple Mount.



This conflict is not about lives or revenge. It's a battle to claim the place where "God chose to rest his Divine Presence" once and for all.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

In all the 100s of posts about Israeli in the last weeks you are the first person who actually broke down the conflict to its source.

THE TEMPLE MOUNT

This entire thing is based on that little piece of land. I really don't think many people are aware how important that spot is for 3 religions.

The 2nd holiest place to Muslims.
The holiest place to Jews.

Why were the Jews given what became Israel in 1948? Why not some other land? Just because it was "promised" to them by "god"? Since when does the literal bible have anything to do with international dealings? Why not land that wasn't already occupied?

Because thats where Jerusalem is! The British and American Christians and Jews wanted Arabs to lose control of Jerusalem and eventually The Temple Mount.

Jews believe that the messiah will not come until the 3rd temple is built. The problem is that spot is where Muhameed ascended to heaven. The muslims control it and built thier own Mosque many hundreds of years ago and will never let it go. From my understanding (correct me if im wrong) Jews are not even permitted on the actual mount because the Muslims are afraid of terrorist attacks from Jews. Which has happened many times.(ironic huh?)

So if the Jews will ever see this prophecy the Arabs have to lose control of The Mount. There are many evangeical American Christian groups that raise money for rebuilding The Temple because they feel that this Jewish prophecy must take for the "end times to occur.


I cant speak for Islam but from what I have read many important Jewish and Christian leaders see the temple mount as a LITERAL GATEWAY TO HEAVEN.

Its makes you wonder how a few acres piece of dirt became SO important to 3 very different religions.

Originally posted by drock905
I cant speak for Islam but from what I have read many important Jewish and Christian leaders see the temple mount as a LITERAL GATEWAY TO HEAVEN.

You might want to go back and re-read. Or better yet, get some new sources. The 'LITERAL GATEWAY TO HEAVEN' for Christians is faith. Faith in a person's soul. Not a place on earth. A state of being in the soul.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I'm pretty sure, again correct me if I'm wrong but don't many christians believe that Jesus will return through the Eastern Gate of The Dome of the Rock?

Sounds like a gateway to Heaven to me.

Originally posted by drock905
many christians believe that Jesus will return through the Eastern Gate of The Dome of the Rock? Sounds like a gateway to Heaven to me.

(allegedly) Jesus will land in that spot - coming in the same manner that he was taken up - kinda floating on clouds with angels or whatever.

But that's not the 'gateway to heaven'. According to christians - the only way humans can get to heaven is through the state of the soul - through faith. That is the gateway to heaven. It's kind of inward - not outward.

Who has control over the Dome of the Rock doesn't influence Christian beliefs at all. (allegedly) Christ will still come and land there no matter what is on that spot or who has control over it.

For Christians, who has control of it isn't important to getting into heaven. It's not a gateway. It's more like Christ's landing pad.

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Palestineans have just a tiny ,fraction ,of their homeland left ,and still ,you
call THEM ,the agressor.
If it was you ,that was cornered ,in a smal area ,wuld you not FIGTH ,any ,which ,way.
They STOLE ,their land ,and thats WRONG.
Unfortunately ,its the military komplex ,all over the world ,that WANT ,to see ,military ,actions ,
No ,action ,is bad for buisniz ,therefore ,THEY ARE the terrorist ,
ewrybody else is just victims, SEE

Why is this news?
Its obvious that Israel is going to hate palestine.
I really dont see the point of this thread im sorry, the "truth" as he puts it, shows nothing more than an attitude you would expect to find in two groups that are fighting!
Was the op assumeing that the Israelis are some kind of angelic little beings who could do no wrong?
There are very few people who dont know that war has two sides, maybe the op has failed to realise that people pick sides in wars based on perception, and the perception that israel hates palestine is not going to change any votes.

Edit to add: GO ISRAEL GO!

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Even though this may be the 15th thread on israel, I still can't believe people still support their actions. Excuse my french, but how retarded do you have to be?

Opps nevermind you follow the media such a fox and cnn. My mistake.

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I wonder where all of you were for decade after decade as Hamas and various other Palestinian organizations kills thousands of Israeli civilians intentionally. Where was the outrage against the Palestinians that committed these murders? Hamas TARGETS Israeli civilians. They have for decades. Hamas has strapped bombs to mentally retarded people and made them unwitting suicide bombers. Palestinian fanatics have forced their own children to be suicide bombers. Where is the outrage?

People on here post videos and images of things in Gaza right now and most people here condemn Israel and Jews. Where was the condemnation for decade after decade when pictures of blown up cafes, buses and plazas in Israel?

Obviously there have been wrongs committed by Israeli's, but I am just wondering where all of the anger was against Hamas and various Palestinian terrorist organizations that have killed Jews for decades?

Isn't it quite something that people on here can call Israeli Jews evil, and condemn them and support Palestine, but at the same time never condemned Hamas or called them evil for what they did against them for decades?

If you don't support whats going on in Gaza right now, I can 110% understand. But there has never been the outrage from most of you at what Hamas and Palestinian terrorists did to Israel. There is no equality in your rage. If what Israel is doing is evil, what Hamas and terrorists have done and do is evil as well. This post isn't meant to be in support of Israel, but more to point out the flat out hypocrisy of most of you. It is sad and tragic what is happening in Gaza right now. But not anymore tragic than what happened to Jews in Israel for decades. Both are sad, but the same tears shed for Palestine should be shed for the murdered Jews as well.

reply to post by Bl0rg


Hamas are at war with israel! what dont you understand?

Cilvilians will get killed, that goes without saying, but thats war! And Israel have held back so much, in my opinion they should just carpet bomb the entire area and be done with it.
And to Blorg : i dont have a tv so its kind of hard to get my facts from one, so put that in your mouth and suck on it.
And heres another thing blorg, just cause the media report it does not mean its wrong! get your head out of the clouds and back to reality!


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The media is completely zionist controlled. Essentially if you didnt see it for yourself consider the information tainted. In most cases you have to take the middleground, not the crud force fed to you. Have you seen how pathetic the rockets hamas are using? Have you seen what israel is using against palestine?

reply to post by Bl0rg


and yet those "pathetic" rockets still manage to kill israelis! i wonder why that is, especially when the rockets are so "pathetic".

And im sorry i did not realise i was dealing with one of ye " jews control everything" people

reply to post by drock905

You're welcome .

Though it may seem ignorant to some, I'm beginning to lose patience with the general consensus about why this conflict pervades. So much discussion and so very little of it cuts to the core. Nice elaboration on my brief point by the way.

At the dawn of the Knights' Templar, the Temple Mount was believed to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant lay hidden. I'm not sure how widespread this belief is now but regardless, Templars and Freemasons alike have identified enormous sanctity in this precise site (not to mention the mainstream religions). What does a few civilian deaths matter when the coming of a saviour or communion with God is at stake? THIS is the justification for the fighting and until the issue of the Temple Mount is resolved, the fighting will continue.

I just hope people begin to realise this.

Originally posted by maiazul
click on link below to see pictures please

sabbah.biz...

Very interesting.Depending how you at it.
Always you're my and the right

Adloyada.How to demonize Israel

Putting things in perspective


On the day that photo was taken, the girls had emerged from the underground bomb shelters for the first time in five days. A new army unit had just arrived in the town and was preparing to shell the area across the border. The unit attracted the attention of twelve photojournalists - Israeli and foreign. The girls and their families gathered around to check out the big attraction in the small town - foreigners. They were relieved and probably a little giddy at being outside in the fresh air for the first time in days. They were probably happy to talk to people. And they enjoyed the attention of the photographers.

Apparently one or some of the parents wrote messages in Hebrew and English on the tank shells to Nasrallah. "To Nasrallah with love," they wrote to the man whose name was for them a devilish image on television - the man who mockingly told Israelis, via speeches that were broadcast on Al Manar and Israeli television, that Hezbollah was preparing to launch even more missiles at them. That he was happy they were suffering.

The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. Do you know how many that is? It's a lot. And they were all simultaneously leaning in with their long camera lenses, clicking the shutter over and over. The parents handed the markers to the kids and they drew little Israeli flags on the shells. Photographers look for striking images, and what is more striking than pretty, innocent little girls contrasted with the ugliness of war? The camera shutters clicked away, and I guess those kids must have felt like stars, especially since the diversion came after they'd been alternately bored and terrified as they waited out the shelling in their bomb shelters.

use the link for the whole content

Horrible thread

Whom started what and when & why

background familarization: wwwworldrover.com...

The creation of the State of Israel in 1948 was preceded by more than 50 years of efforts by Zionist leaders to establish a sovereign nation as a homeland for Jews. The desire of Jews to return to what they consider their rightful homeland was first expressed during the Babylonian exile and became a universal Jewish theme after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D. and the dispersal that followed.


It was not until the founding of the Zionist movement by Theodore Herzl at the end of the 19th century that practical steps were taken toward securing international sanction for large-scale Jewish settlement in Palestine--then a part of the Ottoman Empire.

So, 'zionists' began a quest to buy, or otherwise take over the territory
in the Palestine & in & around Jerusalem with the former Jewish Temple site as part of the package.

The Balfour declaration in 1917 asserted the British Government's support for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This declaration was supported by a number of other countries, including the United States, and became more important following World War I, when the United Kingdom was assigned the Palestine mandate by the League of Nations.

Jewish immigration grew slowly in the 1920s; it increased substantially in the 1930s, due to political turmoil in Europe and Nazi persecution, until restrictions were imposed by the United Kingdom in 1939. After the end of World War II, and the near-extermination of European Jewry by the Nazis, international support for Jews seeking to settle in Palestine overcame British efforts to restrict immigration.

If you notice, there was a continuing migration of Jewish people into the
British Mandate Palestine prior to WW2... i did a cursery search for acts of terrorism during this era, i.e. 1917-1939, and found no concerted terrorism by either Palestine Arabs or Jews

the important point is in bold-black by my hand When
International support after WW2, the community of western allies & the zionist faction? felt strongly about allowing many more refugee Jews to resettle in Palestine.
In concert with this world opinion, the 'zionists' became radical, militant, and embraced terror as a method to achieve their ends.
which IS -> """ re-taking & occupying the promised land """
the temple site was only a minor thing to the zionists as they are not 'religious' zealots, but it does have a fundamental role in their lives.

International support for establishing a Jewish state led to the adoption in November 1947 of the UN partition plan, which called for dividing the Mandate of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state and for establishing Jerusalem separately as an international city under UN administration.

Violence between Arab and Jewish communities erupted almost immediately. Toward the end of the British mandate, the Jews planned to declare a separate state, a development the Arabs were determined to prevent. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed. The following day, armies from neighboring Arab nations entered the former Mandate of Palestine to engage Israeli military forces.

In 1949, under UN auspices, four armistice agreements were negotiated and signed at Rhodes, Greece, between Israel and its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. The 1948-49 war of independence resulted in a 50% increase in Israeli territory, including western Jerusalem. No general peace settlement was achieved at Rhodes, however, and violence along

The general trend was for a peaceful immigration of a limited number of Jews in the territory....
but then too many Jews, and zionists with intentions to displace or eradicate the indiginous peoples began to upset -the-apple-cart...

finally - to hopefully end the terrorism and the retaliations by the local Arabs, a state of 'Israel' was proposed & then created.

i suspect the supposed 'world opinion' to cede a state to Jews,
was as biased & rigged as the voting on the american Idol Contests
by telephone 'bots' voting 1,000s of time for their favored contestant



the commentary & conclusions are just opinions

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