Depleted Uranium Found in Gaza Victims

Originally posted by northwolf
It's highly doubtfull that Israelis would be using DU rounds in Gaza. Why? Because other standard munitions like HE, HEAT and even WP (nastier than DU in my opinion) are far more effective against the targets IDF is engaging. DU munitions are mainly cannon rounds, intended to punch through hard targets. They are not very effective against anything but armored vehicles, as all armor we see in Gaza is IDF:s...

If they wanted to "poison" or otherwise contaminate palestinians in Gaza... well there are yet again more effective ways, like the concetrated water supply that Gaza depends on.

Why you are being rational but you have overlooked the malignancy of the Israelis. In Israel, the electability of a politician is directly related to the level of harm they do to Palestinians. The more sadistic the more popular. Even zionists around the world are making mystery phonecalls to Palestinian homes announcing the imminent bombardment of their domicile.

Depleted uranium is only used against armoured threats like tanks and apc's. These rounds are useless against any thing else...
I'm calling BS on this one...

Northwolf and Skunk2 are right. A DU round is used against armor, like tanks and whatnot. Why fire one of these when a normal high explosive round will do the same damage and probably be a lot cheaper.

Originally posted by SKUNK2
Depleted uranium is only used against armoured threats like tanks and apc's. These rounds are useless against any thing else...
I'm calling BS on this one...

I still lean toward this being a propaganda piece, but the more I research this, the more it makes the claims seem credible:

Weapons watchdogs claim U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf are armed with bombs and missiles made of radioactive material. The Pentagon has refused to identify the composition of the “Bunker-Busters” bombs and missiles.

British research Dai Williams cites that patents for the guided bomb unit, or GBU, series of laser-guided bunker-busters refers to penetrating bodies made of tungsten or depleted uranium.

“If they’re really using tungsten, why keep it classified?” Williams said.

www.legalnewswatch.com...

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Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Weapons watchdogs claim U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf are armed with bombs and missiles made of radioactive material. The Pentagon has refused to identify the composition of the “Bunker-Busters” bombs and missiles.

British research Dai Williams cites that patents for the guided bomb unit, or GBU, series of laser-guided bunker-busters refers to penetrating bodies made of tungsten or depleted uranium.

“If they’re really using tungsten, why keep it classified?” Williams said.

www.legalnewswatch.com...

The bomb itself may not be classified, but the laser guidance system may be.

reply to post by jerico65


Why not classify the material and guidance system?

Also, DU is used in anti-tank weapons (now widely used to hit reinforced structures as well as armored vehicles):

Depleted uranium is now a key aspect of the US military’s forward fighting capacity. It’s currently being used in bunker-buster bombs and anti-tank penetrator missiles.

www.ecotecture.com...

Originally posted by Christian Voice
So, this is a standard test to perform on victims now. We just go around searching for uranium in people. Sounds like disinfo to me.

Nope, it's called being a medic.


Issue : Objects are lodged in victim.
Resolution : Remove objects.


lol.



It only makes sense that they'd want to know what that object was so they know if there's going to be any long lasting physical issues.

... and it's strange ability to remain warm might just give it away too. lol.

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I'm not saying it isn't possible, but here's my question to the board:

If Gaza is in such dire straights, lack of food, water, medical supplies and hospitals being overwhelmed to the point of administering aid in the hallways as is currently being reported, how on earth do they have the time and resources available to test for this RIGHT NOW?

CNN Report on hospital conditions

"We were operating in the corridors, patients were lying everywhere, and people were dying before they got treatment," he said.

Again, no saying it isn't possible, I just see this as another propaganda tool being put to use.

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I'm also calling BS on this one..
They don't have the lab facilities in Gaza to identify DU.
There are so many common radioactive sources like smoke detectors and other items that just using a geiger counter can not be used to identify DU all it can do is identify that something is radioactive.

It would take at lest 3 to 5 days with a lab to identify DU.

Radiation test equipments are in every hospital... I would be amazed if they would not test radiation levels from victims - something we have learn from US Iraq invasion.

If there is Radiation test equipment there it can not identify DU it can only identify that the source is radioactive.

Any doctor around X ray equipment is issued a(inexpensive) rad badge to measure accidental doses and placed on leave when the limit is reached.So this discovery could even have been unanticipated.

Film badges used by Xray techs will not pick up the radiation from DU they pick up X Ray radiation not alpha and beta and only a part of the gamma radiation.
It has to do with the power of the radiation to penetrate the badge casing.



"Norwegian medics" that is BS no simple medic would have the expertise to identify what a radioactive material was
All they could do was identify there was a source present.
and that would be a major source not trace amounts.

How do i know this i am a trained EMT with a civil defence background
and a trained radiological monitor

it leave one thing, left that is to trace the source of this story to find the disinformation people behind it and then the story can be labled HOAX like it should be.

And the source being Al Jazeera this is a known disinformation site so i am calling this a total HOAX

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On the contrary.Chemical radiation can be measured from urine samples and the state of the kidney.The only thing this method cannot do easily is test just how much radiation is in the body.

Chemical intakes and radiation doses from DU entering the body cannot be easily measured directly. Bioassay methods, such as measuring uranium in urine or inhaled air, reasonably estimate doses....

The body excretes DU through the kidneys in urine at a rate depending on the solubility of the DU material deposited in the body. The more soluble the material, the faster it enters the blood, is processed by the body, and excreted. Insoluble DU deposited in the lungs moves very slowly into the blood, taking about 7,000 days for 99.9 percent to transfer to the blood.

The same article tells how DU can enter the body.

DU entering the body (called intake) through the nose or mouth can be exhaled, remain in the lungs, or be absorbed into the blood from the lungs or gastrointestinal tract. Once absorbed, DU can travel to organs (such as the kidneys or bones), or be excreted in urine or cleared through the gastrointestinal tract. DU is absorbed into the blood over time depending on the DU compound's ability to dissolve in bodily fluids or transfer across the pulmonary and gastrointestinal membranes. For example, soluble DU particles deposited in the lungs usually dissolve and the DU moves into the blood within days or weeks, while the insoluble particles tend to remain in the lungs or lymph nodes for months or years. Once absorbed into the blood stream, DU can be excreted in the urine or move to other organs where it accumulates. While in those organs, DU may cause effects if the uranium concentration or radiation dose is large enough. Bodily processes cause the blood to reabsorb DU from the organs to start the process over.

www.gulflink.osd.mil...

It would take at lest 3 to 5 days with a lab to identify DU.

Sufficient time for DU to have been found.
And don't forget,there are other symptoms of DU radiation that don't need to be tested in a lab.

Originally posted by DantesLost
reply to post by ANNED

 

On the contrary.Chemical radiation can be measured from urine samples and the state of the kidney.The only thing this method cannot do easily is test just how much radiation is in the body.

Chemical intakes and radiation doses from DU entering the body cannot be easily measured directly. Bioassay methods, such as measuring uranium in urine or inhaled air, reasonably estimate doses....

that would take days in the US and would be impossible in Gaza.
even in the US there are few labs that can do the test.

The body excretes DU through the kidneys in urine at a rate depending on the solubility of the DU material deposited in the body. The more soluble the material, the faster it enters the blood, is processed by the body, and excreted. Insoluble DU deposited in the lungs moves very slowly into the blood, taking about 7,000 days for 99.9 percent to transfer to the blood.

you show right there that it would take days for DU to even show up in the urine as you are right DU is insoluble.
so how can a test (that they don't have a lab to do it in) be showing up so fast.
then you have to factor in that we all have DU in our bodies all the time left over from atomic testing. plus its natural in nature and in water around the world. On average, approximately 90 µg (micrograms) of uranium exist in the human body from normal intakes of water, food and air.

It would take at lest 3 to 5 days with a lab to identify DU.

BS they don't have a lab in gaza to find it.

Sufficient time for DU to have been found.
And don't forget,there are other symptoms of DU radiation that don't need to be tested in a lab.

MORE BS there IS NO other symptoms that are conclusive for DU radiation that would not be seen in any other type radiation poisoning
radiation poisoning is radiation poisoning there are no differences in the symptoms of DU or trace amounts of plutonium the ONLY way to tell is by testing the source.and trace amount in the body that can only be done in a specialized lab that they don't have in Gaza,

you also have to remember that WE ALL HAVE DU in our bodies left over from atomic testing between 1945 to the ban on testing.
its in the air, water, food, this is one of the reason it takes a special lab to tell if its not just normal background levels.

Its also the reason it takes days to do the test.

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reply to post by ANNED

Laboratory Testing
Acute Radiation Syndrome: Prodrome

* Lymphocytes
o Highly radiosensitive
o Progressive decline in absolute lymphocyte counts provides early estimate of injury and outcome
o Obtain baseline CBC with differential and repeat for 24–48 hrs.

SOURCE
The test may take a single day or days. It all depends, though I also doubt the facilities exist for testing in Gaza.

Still, DU munitions may be in use during this conflict.

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DU is not being used in Gaza...There is nothing to use it against.
A high explosive shell will do much more damage to soft targets and buildings than a DU round will ever be capable of.

Originally posted by SKUNK2
DU is not being used in Gaza...There is nothing to use it against.
A high explosive shell will do much more damage to soft targets and buildings than a DU round will ever be capable of.

why are you denying it, its on the tv, its on several threads throughout the forum world, its confirmed by medics in the field, they would use it to target hamas tunnel networks with DU tipped bunker busters....i mean, why not.....

www.orillasound.co.uk/active.html


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reply to post by illece


Technically they are nuking the Gazans and setting themselves up for war crimes prosecution, which I must say is long past due though both sides should be charged equally. Mostly they are ensuring a slow and hideous death for the Palestinians, their own soldiers and future generations that will suffer from birth defects, high cancer rates and all sorts of medical problems that accompany this. Not to mention any peacekeepers and medical personnel who are assigned to the area including, you guessed it, UN and American troops.
Nice going jerks!

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
anti tank rounds and anti armor rounds are made from depleted uranium because it melts through any melt at high speeds. it leaves nothing but dust and a melted hole in armor. like was said earlier- uranium becomes nano particles. breathe in and it causes mass birth defects and cancer.

Actually DU is used because it is the most dense substance we can use to defeat armor. You may be confusing DU with Thermite.

DU

USMC/0231

Those victims in Gaza probably got more radiation from using their cell-phones to detonate bombs or call their buddy Ackbar than what these trace amounts are.

Just another attempt to play victim on yet something else? They got the world media on their side--better to keep them interested huh?

The thread title: Gaza "victims". That sort of proves my point about them. Fire rockets into Israel, call the media when the payback comes and cry "we are the victims"! Yeah, you are also the idiots that elected "HAMAS" into power after they advertised the fact that they were going to lay Israel to waste. Maybe you Gaza "victims" should elect some PEACEFUL leadership?


Every Indian knows better than to throw rocks at a bear sleeping in their tent!

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reply to post by secretagent woooman


DU munitions are not NUKES = nuclear weapons. Their effectiveness is not based on the fact that they are slightly radioactive. But on the fact that DU is extremely dense. Radiation from DU shards is lower than radiation in some groundwater pockets 20kms from where i live...

Originally posted by sounditout

Originally posted by SKUNK2
DU is not being used in Gaza...There is nothing to use it against.
A high explosive shell will do much more damage to soft targets and buildings than a DU round will ever be capable of.

why are you denying it, its on the tv, its on several threads throughout the forum world, its confirmed by medics in the field, they would use it to target hamas tunnel networks with DU tipped bunker busters....i mean, why not.....

www.orillasound.co.uk/active.html


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Your completely wrong mate, there are no news reports of this, stop reading blogs and posting dis-info.
There is no way DU is being used against bunkers, it wouldn't do any thing...It would be like dropping a solid weight on the ground...It wouldn't do much, no explosion, no nothing....DU is purely a kinetic energy round, needing massive force and speed to be effective, thats why DU rounds are very long and thin...So it can punch through even the heaviest and most advanced composite and reactive armours...

This thread is

There seems to be a lot of confusion around this. What the Norwegian doctor was actually talking about was non-radioactive but chemically toxic tungsten that the Israelis are using in DIME weapons (en.wikipedia.org...). He said it was radioactive - no idea why - and now it has spread round the world that they are using DU.

Why would a doctor in an underfunded and desperately overstretched Gazan hospital undertake analysis for DU - an expensive and lengthy process.

However, DIME weapons suck for their own reasons.