A New Cigarette Hazard: 'Third-Hand Smoke'

Next up... did you know that staying underwater for long periods of time can kill you? That's right! Please consult a physician every time you go to a lake and make sure you have a "doctor approved" certificate showing that you were exposed only to "healthy" amounts of water when swimming.

Then afterwards... Doctors confirm that over eating causes you to be fat and have physical and heart problems. Please consult with a physician what foods you are "approved" to eat before you cook anything

Honestly, these guys are just getting plain sad! "Smoking is bad!" Thank you Dr. Obvious! I'd like to have these "professionals" do a study on all the toxins that are in the air right now that are NOT smoke related, and see what warning they come up with next.

On that note... here's one for Dr. Obvious

Originally posted by dantrav
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

Perhaps we should correct the big problems instead of the small ones. Smokers don't outweigh the greater threats to our society.

Fix the greater problem and then coach people on their own. This "fix the small stuff" mentality only leads to fixing the small stuff and leaving the greater problems to do their thing.

If we provide ourselves with a world that has clean air, safe food, lower homicide rates, and so on, I will be happy to tell my neighbor that smoking is bad for me and them. Until then i will let them do whatever they want and I might join them for a smoke with my drink. Perhaps even after i eat my chemical filled meal and i take my pill that makes me happy.

Deal with it or go somewhere else. That's how it works.

I hear ya. Neither are going to be fixed. Big or small...
Gas prices will rise, they will drop, but the government will
not release their grip of gasoline run cars. Just as addicts
can't release their grip of cig's. They are both bad. I don't
want my kid standing near ya smoking (if i had one). I also
don't want him to grow up in an oil dependent world.

Bottom line: Smoking is harmful to the smoker and those around
it. It can also kill. They are addictive. Your options are to quit and
be healthy or smoke and hurt yourself.

Exhaust is the byproduct of your governments choice to make money
and monopolize. Our options with this are Walk to work, be local, by
a hybrid or whatever does the least damage or take a train and
carpool.

Neither will be banned when they have an invested interest.

Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
It is much easier to blame smokers for air quality than other things like cars, coal burning power plants and other industrial plants.

Really? Seeing as how driving and industrial transportation has become all but necessary, I find it easier to blame the smokers who pollute the surrounding air for purposes of self satisfaction.

Obviously, pissing is required. Pissing on the street is or on the carpet is not.

That`s the problem with your logic. Driving vehicles that burn fossil fuels shouldn`t be the necessary as you put it. We should be using technology to do away with those types of things. That`s like saying, oh well, beings we have to drive them, it`s all ok then. Yea....right.

Third hand smoke is pretty nasty. I know well because unfortunately most of my best friends are smokers, heavy smokers. And it gets on your clothes and long hair and makes you smell awful even though you aren't responsible for the stench (except for good cleaning when you get the chance). If they weren't such good people I probably wouldn't hang out as much on this alone.

I'm not sure how deadly it is though. I don't think second hand smoke is that bad unless it's in an enclosed space--thus no smoking in my car whatsoever.

reply to post by cluckerspud


"Exhaust is the byproduct of your governments choice to make money
and monopolize. Our options with this are Walk to work, be local, by
a hybrid or whatever does the least damage or take a train and
carpool."

It`s so easy to just blame the government for this, isn`t it? You show all the options, yet, people still make the choice to drive. People know that cars pollute, yet, they still buy them. Sure, no different then cigarettes. Is everything you do safe? I very much doubt it, but yet, you still do those things. When you become totally clean, please come back, then tell the smokers to stop, ok? Until then, all of us are going to do our own thing in this life.

reply to post by CapsFan8


"I know well because unfortunately most of my best friends are smokers, heavy smokers. "

Friends?

With smokers - heavy smokers?

You need some new friends - these ones are holding you back.

Originally posted by FiatLux

Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by Nicolas Flamel
It is much easier to blame smokers for air quality than other things like cars, coal burning power plants and other industrial plants.

Really? Seeing as how driving and industrial transportation has become all but necessary, I find it easier to blame the smokers who pollute the surrounding air for purposes of self satisfaction.

Obviously, pissing is required. Pissing on the street is or on the carpet is not.

That`s the problem with your logic. Driving vehicles that burn fossil fuels shouldn`t be the necessary as you put it. We should be using technology to do away with those types of things. That`s like saying, oh well, beings we have to drive them, it`s all ok then. Yea....right.

Yeah, sure. They shouldn't be necessary - and I should be a billionaire. Crime shouldn't exist and world peace should be prevalent.

Wake up from your ideal dream world, only then might you see reality for what it is, not what you think it should be.

reply to post by logician magician


Sorry if I don`t see the world as the crummy piece of garbage that you like to see it as. There`s good in this world, right along with the bad. So please, stick to your nightmares, and i`ll stick to my dreams.

reply to post by logician magician


"Wake up from your ideal dream world, only then might you see reality for what it is, not what you think it should be. "

There are rules to being a 'avid non-smoker' - o0ne must also be a member of what the media has begun to call the 'carbon cult'.

Whiles reading this list of rules, please remember that cigarrettes emit carbon. (they are also smelly, stinky and yucky)You see, with some simple adjustment to your thinking, even you can come to see the world as we do:
*Long live the Venus Project ( a world with no smelly smokers)

1. Carbon is evil and gas should not be used. It causes global warming, which is bad because taxes must rise in order to stop it.
2. Carbon should be taxed and the average citizen should pay more for using anything with carbon. It causes global warming and acid rain, and thus to more taxes, and so should be preemptively taxed in order to stop these other horrible things.
3. Nuclear Energy is evil and should not be used. The West is greedy and has enough electricity already.
4. Wind Energy is a great talking point, but God forbid an elitist should be in view of it, therefore it should not be used.
5. Rising gas costs are a problem, and should not be addressed by increasing supply, but rather taxed even more, to save the planet
6. Houses are evil if not made of carbon neutral materials.
7. Smokers should face an additional tax on their cigarettes, owing to the carbon output they generate, which is disproportionate to the output of non-smokers, who do not smoke and aren't smelly.

I'm glad to have been of assistance.

it's not just the gas emitting cars!!
they gripe about the formaldahyde (however you spell it) in cigarettes, but well, you do realize that it's in all your clothing, you drapery, your furniture, your mattress, ect...ect....
they gripe about the arsenic....well, you can't eat anything grown in the soil now days without there being arsenic in it!
go down the list of those toxic chemicals they throw into the cigarettes, see what else they are being thrown into. perfumes, air fresheners, those plastic untensils that you use to cook, heck, that computer that you are using is probably throwing out just as much crap as any cigarette does after it warms up!!

in order for us to get rid of all these toxins, we'd have to completely rearrange our production methods! too costly!! and in the meantime, the masses are wondering about why cancer is going out of sight! best to find a scapegoat.....ahhh....yes, cigarettes, and mac donalds and other fast food resturants....ya....

We live in unusual times and humanity is clearly polarising - the bullies from the anti-smoking lobby probably get some sort of an ego boost at the very least. What I'd really like to know is who started this and what is the real reasons for all this carry on. Let's face it we are all destined to die some day, somehow.

When I worked as a registered nurse I was surprised at the number of non-smokers, including two cases of 23 year old women, who died from primary lung cancer having never smoked. Also the number of people who develop emphysema having never smoked. The smokers still came in ahead on numbers of course, but the way smoking is presented as the evil of evils one would expect everyone who gets lung cancer or emphysema etc to have been smokers.

Also of interest is that 99.9% of people with schizophrenia smoke as it helps allay the side effects of the prescribed anti-psychotics. They say it helps to clear their brains from the fog of the drugs which makes me think that nicotine undoubtedly has a positive effect on clarity of thought processes. We do after all have nicotinic receptors in our brains. Maybe the powers that be are feeling threatened that mankind is waking up to their games of manipulation and are doing absolutely everything they can to prevent this spreading

Originally posted by FiatLux
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

"Exhaust is the byproduct of your governments choice to make money
and monopolize. Our options with this are Walk to work, be local, by
a hybrid or whatever does the least damage or take a train and
carpool."

It`s so easy to just blame the government for this, isn`t it? You show all the options, yet, people still make the choice to drive. People know that cars pollute, yet, they still buy them. Sure, no different then cigarettes. Is everything you do safe? I very much doubt it, but yet, you still do those things. When you become totally clean, please come back, then tell the smokers to stop, ok? Until then, all of us are going to do our own thing in this life.

Certainly is easy to blame the government. Their regulations and their
rules on both of these issues.

People also make the choice to find methods that are less pollutant to
get to work.

Everything I do is certainly not safe, but are they effecting other people?!

I'm afraid if I come back clean to tell you to stop smoking that you may
be out for a puff.

If clean is a stipulation for coming back, I'd be glad to go Chest X-Ray VS
Chest X-Ray.

I'm just surprised they (the governments) are not calling us smokers "Terrorists" yet! We all know that smoking is not good for you, but damn it, that Camel looked so cool doing it I just had to try it for myself! Our sense of smell is connected to our sense of taste, so I don't think that it is too far fetched that babies can be affected by the toxins left on our cloths or hair then subsequently get into their mouths through their fingers (does that make sense?).

I think Dennis Leary was right: soon we will be only to smoke in our houses, under a blanket, with all the lights out.

reply to post by cluckerspud


"Certainly is easy to blame the government. Their regulations and their
rules on both of these issues."

Yes, and we all still drive cars and we are the ones who put these people in power.

"People also make the choice to find methods that are less pollutant to
get to work."

I do have to say, that many more are really trying to do this, but there is still the majority that still drive.

"Everything I do is certainly not safe, but are they effecting other people?!"

Don`t know, I haven`t seen the list of wild and crazy things cluckerspud does.

"I'm afraid if I come back clean to tell you to stop smoking that you may
be out for a puff."

No, that`s not a problem, i don`t smoke while i`m on here.

"If clean is a stipulation for coming back, I'd be glad to go Chest X-Ray VS
Chest X-Ray."

That`s great, I just had one taken on my birthday September 13th, and the doc said it was clear.










[edit on 5-1-2009 by FiatLux]

this is too far fetched. Yes there might me a very very very low risk, but hey:

There are thousands of more dangerours things around us and in the air we breath and we can do noyhing about it.

By the time priority to fix this too wil come the world will already be a perfect place.

Be well, and don t smoke!

reply to post by wolf241e


Third hand persecution. There is no third hand insight into car exhausts. The only problem with left wing fascionista governments is that a smoker dies of the cold when they have to be inside is a victory for the crusade against smokers.

Originally posted by dawnstar
scapegoating at it's finest...

why is the government spending millions to prop up this nice antismoking witchhunt instead of forcing the companies to take all this crap out of the marketplace???

You ask why? Like my daddy always said, "Follow the money", you will find your answer.

It creates another group that can be blamed, harassed and used to sidetrack the real issues with as well as another "war on (insert whatever you want)". (notice the word USED)

Witch hunt and scapegoating are perfect words to describe the situation.

Besides, the war on drugs has made only about 80% of the population criminals, they gotta make sure the rest of us are criminals as well. I think it is to keep us in the state of fear so that our brain chemicals change and turn us all into paranoid, delusional controllable sheeple who believe that the government is looking out for us because WOW look the government is creating a "war on" to protect us awww how nice. Who of us really trust government or government funded propaganda? Ask yourself, what is really behind this? Who is profiting from the "war on smokers"?

We have the war on terrorism, war on drugs, something called the war on condoms, war on abortions, war on poverty, war on science, war on christians, war on non christians,war on greed, war on and on and on. People do not seem to understand that "war" is not a healthy thing, no matter what kind of spin you try to put on it. Personally I do not feel that we should have a "war on" anything, if we really want to create a healthy society then lets stop the "war" on humanity. The psychological spin that using the term war creates is a separation of people, adding another "they are different than I am so they must be bad" ideology.

What is the definition of war? The waging of armed conflict against an enemy, a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations, a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism. So, think about that and what it means when we have a society that feels obligated to create "war" on so many different fronts.

For example, the war on terrorism that the Bush administration has used, over simplifies a complex situation which distorts reality and affects the decision making of our governments. Also creating a "war on" allows for the psyche to make it acceptable for people to become prejudiced in regards to the particular population that the "war on" is being raged against.

That is oversimplified, but "war on" just makes it acceptable for humanity to judge another person/group of persons as being bad, wrong etc. while allowing for aggression and violence to become excusable.

It is a psychological "war on" humanity if you ask me.

Originally posted by FiatLux
reply to post by cluckerspud

 

"Certainly is easy to blame the government. Their regulations and their
rules on both of these issues."

Yes, and we all still drive cars and we are the ones who put these people in power.

In all honesty and no sarcsam am I asking this, "If we put these people
in power. then are we to blame for these issues"?! I feel like a majority
of our voices are muffled and not heard clear enough. Enough people
on here think cars should run on air, pretty flowers and not pollute. As hard as wel yell, rally and try to get around the system, the system
seems to always prevail.

Originally posted by FiatLux
"People also make the choice to find methods that are less pollutant
to get to work."

I do have to say, that many more are really trying to do this, but there is still the majority that still drive..

True. In the last 6 months (not out of my enviro-concerns) I have
become local. I work in town, bank, shop and live in one town. This
was mostly due to rent becoming increasingly high and living on a tight
budget.

Originally posted by FiatLux
"Everything I do is certainly not safe, but are they effecting other
people?!"


Don`t know, I haven`t seen the list of wild and crazy things cluckerspud does...

Hahahaaa. I'd have to U2U you on that one. I'm certainly no saint. What
happens on the road stays on the road. I am in a band and I must say,
that I'm glad the clubs have become more and more smoke free in the
states I go to. Very refreshing.

Originally posted by FiatLux
"If clean is a stipulation for coming back, I'd be glad to go Chest X-Ray VS
Chest X-Ray."

That`s great, I just had one taken on my birthday September 13th, and the doc said it was clear. ...

A) Happy Belated Birthday!
B) My last tune up was in July and my bill was great. All the things I was
initially worried about like high blood pressure were all OK!!!

Have a good night, and no hard feelings either way. Here's to our health
and may live long rewarding lives.











[edit on 5-1-2009 by FiatLux]

Has anyone realized the fact that billions in grant money goes to research for Cancer, for decades.
So add more fuel to the "industry" fire. This is a con job for what else than.......money. It's always the cash.