Son of Hamas Founder Gives True Glimpse Into Terror Organization

reply to post by Dracula23


Yes, sure... Hamas leaders are evil... as are probably all others 'high elite leaders' in this #@!$ed up world we make a live in... what else is news?


Peace

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by GlossomBoodchild

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by MBF

 

One good thing that he said is that islam will die out in about ten years.

When you're suicide bombing, beheading, and stoning everyone in the religion, who the heck is gonna be left.....

^ Pure Ignorance....The Muslims that believe in suicide bombing and various other violent acts only make up about 1% percent of the Muslim population, if not much less.

For the sake of denying (your ^) ignorance, let's do a little math based on your 1% of all muslims are the violent ones number.

Various sources put the world's muslim population at up to 1.6 billion people.

Now if even only 1% (your figure) of those are inclined to be violent, suicide bombers, etc. then that means we (the rest of the world) are facing an army of as many as 16 million "people" who only want to kill and destroy. And spread throughout the world so no one can really pin them down in one place.

Not sure about you, but 16 million violent religious fanatics sounds like a huge number to me.

Uh...guy...do you read anything I say...or are you also like FOXNEWS...who likes to pick and choose information and submit only info that profits you??? I said...it is pure ignorance to say that NO ONE WILL BE LEFT since "all of them are suicide bombers"....come on...grow up.

Second: like I said...this guy....is just a puppet...hes crying wolf...remember the Kuwaiti girl who cried wolf about children getting killed in/by Iraq...right before the first gulf war...well she was later proven to be an actress who lived in very comfortable circumstance by their standards.....
as for evidence that fox news does not skew their stories....give me a break..do the research....i wont even link to anything...BBC ran a piece about all of the former fox news journalists who blew the whistle about how fox news straight up denied them to run controversial pieces that were opposite the corporate agenda...namely...MONSANTO....I cant believe how many people on this board post their silly opinions without knowing any real, documented, verifiable information about the world that they live in.....ridiculous!

Originally posted by GlossomBoodchild

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by GlossomBoodchild

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by MBF

 

One good thing that he said is that islam will die out in about ten years.

When you're suicide bombing, beheading, and stoning everyone in the religion, who the heck is gonna be left.....

^ Pure Ignorance....The Muslims that believe in suicide bombing and various other violent acts only make up about 1% percent of the Muslim population, if not much less.

For the sake of denying (your ^) ignorance, let's do a little math based on your 1% of all muslims are the violent ones number.

Various sources put the world's muslim population at up to 1.6 billion people.

Now if even only 1% (your figure) of those are inclined to be violent, suicide bombers, etc. then that means we (the rest of the world) are facing an army of as many as 16 million "people" who only want to kill and destroy. And spread throughout the world so no one can really pin them down in one place.

Not sure about you, but 16 million violent religious fanatics sounds like a huge number to me.

Uh...guy...do you read anything I say...or are you also like FOXNEWS...who likes to pick and choose information and submit only info that profits you??? I said...it is pure ignorance to say that NO ONE WILL BE LEFT since "all of them are suicide bombers"....come on...grow up.

Uh...guy...do you read anything in these threads at all before posting? This thread is NOT about Fox news no matter how many people try to deflect the thread that way. Fox is also NOT the only source for this news.

I cant believe how many people on this board post their silly opinions without knowing any real, documented, verifiable information about the world that they live in.....ridiculous!

Include yourself. What you have posted are nothing more than your OPINIONS based on exactly what?

So, if the daughter of any Western leader announced that she had converted to islam and was interviewed by al-brassiera, exactly how would that not be news?

It would be exactly the same thing, except no one would try to kill the daughter if she did that.

What would one of these dudes have to do to get 72 ho's in heaven instead of 72 virgins? I like my girls to have some "experience".

Originally posted by Bugman82
Sorry, but rationalizing suicide bombings and so forth shows a lack of denying ignorance.

I have far, far, far more sympathy with those people who end up strapping bombs to themselves than i can or will ever have with those who bomb civilians from the air with their 'precision' 500 pound bombs.

The problem here is that too many people believe that there are no suicide missions in the pursuit of freedom or in war; if Hamas could afford aircraft to attack Israel in response to attacks the chances for survival would not be significantly higher.

It is disheartening to see this from well-versed members on this board. It shows that the philosophical ideologies of people here are just as twisted or morose than from j6p or the rest of the world.

I apologise if i have less rosy view of the world where true change often requires people to knowingly commit to sacrificing their lives. I too would rather live in a world where we can bring about positive progressive change without having to take lives or sacrifice our own. If you can point me to a freedom struggle where this course of action have proven effective i would be most interested.

When will people wake up to the fact that both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong?

I can agree that both are committing crimes but only Israel can bring about true peace and and since it is the Israeli government which have so persistently avoided reaching ANY fair ( whatever the Palestinian authority of the time will accept the Israeli's then change to require even more sacrifices on the Palestinian side) resolution to the conflict Israel created by it's initial land grabs.

When will people realize that rationalizing the evil of either side in any way, shape, or form simply adds to the problem?

Once one knows which side is being terrorized and oppressed and which side holds all the military and economic power it's not hard to forgive the errors of liberation movements. I thus apologise for having been able to figure out that there isn't really two legitimate sides to this issue.

The guy in this article says it best! He states, "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yes, the ideology of Hamas and similar Palestinian organizations is to arrange a sustainable peace ( space enough to ensure Palestinian economic survival) while the ideology of the Zionist Israeli government is to give a inch , when it gives at all, only to take back two the moment international negotiators have left the scene in self congratulatory ecstasy. This is why Palestinian territory keeps declining as the Israeli's keep breaking their agreements by starting new settlements and expanding the older one's.

He is no parrot of Western pro-Israel propaganda. He never says Israel is in the right. He says both are terrible and both ideologies are wrong, and he is most definitely right!

It's good to be a idealist but we live in a far less than ideal world where one 'side' always has a more legitimate claim than the other. If one can not discover which is best it's best to reserve judgement until you can.

Stop this nonsensical taking of sides when both Israel and Hamas are to blame.

The mistakes Hamas are making are in the interest of arranging national liberation; what can we say of the mistakes of the side with all the military and economic ( and according to some , intellectual) power as well as the influential powerful friends ( the US and Europe) to implement and sustain a fair solution?

Stop supporting one side's ideologies since both are evil.

Both ideologies are not evil and what you are basically doing here is the defense of the age old imperial mantra of blaming the victims for the aggression of the imperialist; yes wife beaters and murderers are not to be held responsible as they were clearly just provoked.

So goes the logic used to defend a illogical argument.

Stellar

Well Dracula, starred & flagged.


Hamas does not care about it's own people because not only it uses them as
human shields but it does send rockets & "human bombs" on it's own people since many Palestinians live on the other side of the border and become potential victims.

I am not talking about the complex geo-political & strategical situation in this region of the world but about the Hamas and all the fanatics worldwide (fake muslims) that are coward and stupid enough to use terrorism as a political mean or as a war strategy.

It does not work but they still did not understand and many innocents are dying because of their stupidity & ignorance & evilness.

My thoughts go to the Palestinians who are fed up with the Hamas and want a new leader for a better futur.

Peace, (may the war end soon)
Europa

at the Christians celebrating this

Originally posted by Venit
Sigh. I'm not disagreeing that the Hamas movement is odious. However, it says on the daily telegraph link itself that he's somewhat against Islam and states that it is 'not working'. Surely that counts as bias on his part?

Bias is when you fail to accept the objective truth about Islamic societies.

Originally posted by StellarX


I have far, far, far more sympathy with those people who end up strapping bombs to themselves than i can or will ever have with those who bomb civilians from the air with their 'precision' 500 pound bombs.

The problem here is that too many people believe that there are no suicide missions in the pursuit of freedom or in war; if Hamas could afford aircraft to attack Israel in response to attacks the chances for survival would not be significantly higher.

I wonder what warps your mind to support the Genocide of Jewish people. Do you go to University?

I apologise if i have less rosy view of the world where true change often requires people to knowingly commit to sacrificing their lives. I too would rather live in a world where we can bring about positive progressive change without having to take lives or sacrifice our own. If you can point me to a freedom struggle where this course of action have proven effective i would be most interested.

Islamic Jihad has no legitimate goal. You're supporting your own destruction.

I can agree that both are committing crimes but only Israel can bring about true peace and and since it is the Israeli government which have so persistently avoided reaching ANY fair ( whatever the Palestinian authority of the time will accept the Israeli's then change to require even more sacrifices on the Palestinian side) resolution to the conflict Israel created by it's initial land grabs.

The Palestinians have made it clear. Jihad is their method. They reject any Jewish state. This is not an issue of occupation but existence.

Once one knows which side is being terrorized and oppressed and which side holds all the military and economic power it's not hard to forgive the errors of liberation movements. I thus apologies for having been able to figure out that there isn't really two legitimate sides to this issue.

No , one has to look at who intends to slaughter and who respects human life. You are morally corrupt and deluded by your Cultural Marxism.

Yes, the ideology of Hamas and similar Palestinian organizations is to arrange a sustainable peace ( space enough to ensure Palestinian economic survival) while the ideology of the Zionist Israeli government is to give a inch , when it gives at all, only to take back two the moment international negotiators have left the scene in self congratulatory ecstasy. This is why Palestinian territory keeps declining as the Israeli's keep breaking their agreements by starting new settlements and expanding the older one's.

More inaccuracies. Muslims are not looking for space to have a nice little country. They are looking to dominate the world.

All one needs to do is listen to what folks like HAMAS say to their people and each other. If one wasn't such a lazy pathetic thinker like most people in the West are becoming, then what their goals are should be crystal clear.

All you have to do is listen what they say to each other and not the gullible ignorant lemming-like Press who the Muslims have mastered manipulating.

Defending Israel's existence is tantamount to defending your home nation's right to exist as well.

Look up the meaning of this common Arab Middle East phrase if you think I'm wrong

"First comes Saturday then comes Sunday"

Originally posted by bignick

at the Christians celebrating this

yeh...

it's hypocritical to switch from Islam to Christianity because you think Islam has violent tendencies.

This Yousef guy is, supposedly, just switching sides, nothing that he has done can back his transition and revelation of wanting peace.

Originally posted by Founding
Son of the founder of Hamas it does not get any worse than that. Can anybody see the difference between hamas and a cult?

[edit on 3-1-2009 by Founding]

there is no difference. hamas is a death cult.

hats off to that guy though - thats ONE BRAVE son of a bitch...
if Hamas or any extremist muslim finds him, he'll be killed. no doubt about it.

interesting how he read the bible and compared it to the koran. no wonder Saudi Arabia bans bibles in their country.

Im so sorry you feel that way. sad, really sad.

Originally posted by StellarX

Originally posted by Bugman82
Sorry, but rationalizing suicide bombings and so forth shows a lack of denying ignorance.

I have far, far, far more sympathy with those people who end up strapping bombs to themselves than i can or will ever have with those who bomb civilians from the air with their 'precision' 500 pound bombs.

The problem here is that too many people believe that there are no suicide missions in the pursuit of freedom or in war; if Hamas could afford aircraft to attack Israel in response to attacks the chances for survival would not be significantly higher.

It is disheartening to see this from well-versed members on this board. It shows that the philosophical ideologies of people here are just as twisted or morose than from j6p or the rest of the world.

I apologise if i have less rosy view of the world where true change often requires people to knowingly commit to sacrificing their lives. I too would rather live in a world where we can bring about positive progressive change without having to take lives or sacrifice our own. If you can point me to a freedom struggle where this course of action have proven effective i would be most interested.

When will people wake up to the fact that both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong?

I can agree that both are committing crimes but only Israel can bring about true peace and and since it is the Israeli government which have so persistently avoided reaching ANY fair ( whatever the Palestinian authority of the time will accept the Israeli's then change to require even more sacrifices on the Palestinian side) resolution to the conflict Israel created by it's initial land grabs.

When will people realize that rationalizing the evil of either side in any way, shape, or form simply adds to the problem?

Once one knows which side is being terrorized and oppressed and which side holds all the military and economic power it's not hard to forgive the errors of liberation movements. I thus apologise for having been able to figure out that there isn't really two legitimate sides to this issue.

The guy in this article says it best! He states, "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yes, the ideology of Hamas and similar Palestinian organizations is to arrange a sustainable peace ( space enough to ensure Palestinian economic survival) while the ideology of the Zionist Israeli government is to give a inch , when it gives at all, only to take back two the moment international negotiators have left the scene in self congratulatory ecstasy. This is why Palestinian territory keeps declining as the Israeli's keep breaking their agreements by starting new settlements and expanding the older one's.

He is no parrot of Western pro-Israel propaganda. He never says Israel is in the right. He says both are terrible and both ideologies are wrong, and he is most definitely right!

It's good to be a idealist but we live in a far less than ideal world where one 'side' always has a more legitimate claim than the other. If one can not discover which is best it's best to reserve judgement until you can.

Stop this nonsensical taking of sides when both Israel and Hamas are to blame.

The mistakes Hamas are making are in the interest of arranging national liberation; what can we say of the mistakes of the side with all the military and economic ( and according to some , intellectual) power as well as the influential powerful friends ( the US and Europe) to implement and sustain a fair solution?

Stop supporting one side's ideologies since both are evil.

Both ideologies are not evil and what you are basically doing here is the defense of the age old imperial mantra of blaming the victims for the aggression of the imperialist; yes wife beaters and murderers are not to be held responsible as they were clearly just provoked.

So goes the logic used to defend a illogical argument.

Stellar

Why did he bother converting to Christianity? He might as well have just kept his Muslim faith and renounced the crazy violence that goes against its teachings.

No way man! Even Jews won't like this story. He became a christian..he didn't convert to Judaism..

How many Muslims can we see converting to Judaism or Jews converting to Islam?

Imagine Christianity never existed and half the people on this earth were Muslims and the other half had converted to Judaism..civilization would be long gone..

Thank God for Christianity.

Some things happened for a reason, so was Christianity.
Deny ignorance.


[edit on 4-1-2009 by populardisbelief]

reply to post by StellarX


I agree with everything you said about the imperialistic pursuits of Israel. That's why I label them as evil in their ideologies. They literally view the Palestinian people as animals. No matter how much you rant and rave about the evils of Israel it will not change my perspective because that is the light in which I already view them.

However, I also have enough sense to realize the goal of fundamentalist Islam and the Jihad movement. It is quite simply to wipe out all infadels. That would include you and me. In my mind that is also evil. That is also an ideology I cannot accept.

How can I possibly support either of these ideologies over the other when my ideology focuses on striving to love all people? Sorry Stellar, but no matter how hard I try to rationalize supporting one side over the other I cannot.

Until we change our overall perspective of the world peace will never truly occur. It will only be found in the forced submission of nations and people.

Originally posted by Bugman82
reply to post by StellarX

 

I agree with everything you said about the imperialistic pursuits of Israel. That's why I label them as evil in their ideologies. They literally view the Palestinian people as animals. No matter how much you rant and rave about the evils of Israel it will not change my perspective because that is the light in which I already view them.

I'm amazed how people just invent evils to assign to Israel. I wish Israel acted the way you claim they do.. this war would have been over a very long time ago.

HAMAS is the things you say Israel is. I know for a fact the pains Israel takes to avoid civilian causalities.... does HAMAS try to do that? No.

What I see here is a lot of laziness and cowardice. What is more easy than to go along with the mindless crowd and blame the evil Jews for agitating the poor innocent docile Arabs. Are the Jews going to get revenge on you? They going to beat you up ? No. They bother no one.

To tell the truth about Muslims is a risk though. Especially in college, which are being taken over by Saudi Arabia-approved disinformation.

And.. the Muslims hate America and hate Non-Muslims.. why in the world would someone side with them when they only want to eventaully destroy your country .. is your Jew hatred that much that you're willing to side with the monsters who can't wait to do to America what they're doing to Israel.

And when will you folks listen to what the Muslims say to each other? Maybe then you'd realize we're a target no matter what we do, or who we support. Being cowardly and thining if we leave Israel on its own will somehow make the Muslims less prone to want to attack this country.. it's not going to work. They're going to come here and they're going to do what they can to bring us down. THey have to . It's their religion.

The more victories they think they win , no matter what the contest is, the more confident and motivated they are to destroying us.

Please tell me the countries which have been invaded in the last hundred years this will be almost none - in contrast - Christians have invaded quite simply hundreds.

Christians are the militant, violent extremists - this much is abundantly clear.

Further it is a FACT that Israel initiated this conflict

www.guardian.co.uk...

End of story - Israel is the aggressor and Hamas is acting in self defence.

What do you guys think of what this guy is talking about?

reply to post by VinceP1974


I also agree that Israel takes measures to reduce casualties. However, the Israelis do not have a very high perspective of the Palestinian people.

www.israelforum.com...

The same goes for how the Palestinians view the Israelis.

The issue for me is that it is such a difficult situation to evaluate. I play things over in my mind continuously and I have not figured out a way to take a side. I'm sorry if this isn't the viewpoint you have, but I have seen news of the blockades Israel imposes on the Palestinians. I see the oppression.