Israeli tank column enters Gaza: witness

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by Taikonaut

 

Turn your television on to MSNBC. The corespondant they were talking too was describing what he saw. He also reported how the Israeli troops pulled the kids out of the way. I already said this, you just didn't care.

I'm in the UK not the US and dont have the same biased tv reporting that you so obviously do, so internet links please...otherwise your just yet another another BS merchant

reply to post by Harlequin


Well good you finally explained yourself.
Its hard to picture what you just said when everything you posted in this thread before makes it seem that what you just wrote is a joke.

Originally posted by GamerGal
I said that the definition of a Zionist is anyone who believes the Jews have the right to exist. So unless you're a NAZI you are a Zionist.

If I was you I would seriously look into what these definitions can mean; what they mean to certain groups; and how inflammatory sweeping statements can be when thrown around in the heat of the moment.

I.E. I believe Jews have a right to exist but I also reserve the right to be a national-socialist. Being against Zionism does not mean that you wish Jews not to exist.



[edit on 3-1-2009 by Nirgal]

OK guys, knock off the personal jabs.

reply to post by Taikonaut


BS? Biased news? Its a guy on the ground telling what he sees! Sorry he apparently hasn't updated his blog because he's busy watching Israel march in to Gaza. As soon as he does I'll let you know. BTW, every one who insults me, keep it up. Until you can counter me with more then insults it just proves me right. I say 2+2=4, and you reply with "Shut up Zionist pig!" it just means I'm right. Also, Zionist, unless you don't believe the Jews have a right to exist, you are a Zionist.

reply to post by Harlequin


You know what I'm tired of? I'm tired of people taking sides when both sides are in the wrong! I'm tired of people supporting Israel and supporting Hamas even though both have done absolutely horrible things.

Maybe if we could stop justifying any evil, then we could move on towards admittance of doing wrong and then towards forgiveness, which is the only way to peace.

This justification of Hamas and Israeli actions is what is sickening. If any of you are doing that then you are simply adding to the problem. Condemn the evil brought on by both!

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by Harlequin

 

No. I'm right. And you have had an alert hit on your sick post.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Come on now.. these are CHILDREN!!!!!

And I asked you before ... what would YOU do if you were in charge of Israels defenses? What exactly would you have them do when the agressor hides behind civilian infrastructure and civilians in general.

I'd like to hear what your game plan would be.

I said exactly what I would have done. I would have sent in a Mossad secret ops group. Performed targeted ssassinations.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Let's just make them both plate glass.

That's rather close to what I say ... let them pound the snot out of each other and the one that doesn't win gets the Darwin Award .. then the world can move on.

My point there was complete hyperbole... if you don't think Children are sacred, then nothing is sacred and it just doesn't matter, let the nation with the most weapons win. Bring on WWIII.

Otherwise, Children are sacred, and no matter how Justified Israel is for an aggressive operation, they are NOT justified in systematically maiming children. If what you say about education/indoctrination of these children is true, then all Israel is doing is attempting to destroy the younger generation.

They should be honest if that is there aim. Otherwise they should be ashamed for what has occured to these children.

reply to post by Nirgal


But what you think is Zionism? The "conspiracy" that the Jews want to take over the world isn't Zionism. Its like how Liberal is a cuss word too the GOP, and conservative is a cuss word too the Democrats. It's like how Ron Paul is a bad word to the GOP and Joe Lieberman is a bad word to the Democrats. Zionism, liberal, conservative, aren't bad words. Thinking the Jews have the right too exist on the same planet isn't a bad thing. But people are soo warped and twisted that the word used too describe a person that doesn't want to exterminate the Jews is used as a bad word.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Camp David Info

Camp David had many names.
It is now named Camp David after President Eisenhowers grandson.
It has nothing to do with Israel.

Then I stand corrected..thank you

Originally posted by GamerGal
...
Third a massacre is, as you even said, a large group of people being killed. 11, 22, is not large. Why don't you call the 9/11 attacks a massacre? Because it was an attack, not a massacre. The Indian attack on Custard was a massacre because a large majority of Custards men were killed. if only 6 had been killed it wouldn't be a massacre.

Contradict yourself, Much?


*thinking*
JTL ... 's that you?


 

if detah toll pass 5000 or less i think that its going to be another israel arab war that can spark ww3

reply to post by Annie Mossity


22 is not a large group out of the over million Palestinians. Almost all of Custards men is a large group out of Custards men. But if you look at that, it was a war, not massacre. Custard and his men were military. it was a fight, a battle. But in the end America won and well, the victors write the history books and so a battle where we lost is made in to a "massacre".

reply to post by GamerGal


its 52 not 22 so get your numbers right.

see UN report on the publish death certificates.


edit:

massacre:

news.bbc.co.uk...

news.cnet.com...

www.guardian.co.uk...

remember the virginia tech massacre? tha was 33 dead


52 i Jenin is more than 33 yet you say its not a massacre? why?

the world says virginia tec was a massacre

you do not


why not? why do you disagree with the term `massacre` when 33 people died in virginia?


[edit on 3/1/09 by Harlequin]

Is it only me or does anyone else feel that its shocking that every thread started in the last week about the ongoing killing of children in Gaza has developed into a hatred filled cauldron, because thats what it is.

There are far to many generals in this thread, showing the classic "Bravery of being out of range" that would probably wet themselves with fear if they were within 10 miles of this conflict.

Is there no empathy left? no compassion for the body parts of children?

Anyone who condones children being killed for whatever reason, for their own ideals, should be mortally ashamed.

You make me sick, go take a look at yourselves in the mirror.

Im disgusted

[edit on 3-1-2009 by captiva]

reply to post by Harlequin


And another group said 22, And another said over 500 and called it a massacre. On MSNBC now they have the Palestinian Leader of a Mission to the UN talking about how "We fire one rocket, they kill hundreds." Uh, you fired thousands of rockets for years. Kind of bias no?

Click here for more information.

No, no people , do not despair, there is a happy ending to this story after all:

Zephaniah 2:4-7
4 Gaza will be abandoned and Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday Ashdod will be emptied and Ekron uprooted.
5 Woe to you who live by the sea, O Kerethite people; the word of the LORD is against you, O Canaan, land of the Philistines. "I will destroy you, and none will be left."
6 The land by the sea, where the Kerethites dwell, will be a place for shepherds and sheep pens.
7 It will belong to the remnant of the house of Judah; there they will find pasture. In the evening they will lie down in the houses of Ashkelon. The LORD their God will care for them; he will restore their fortunes.

Israel gets their land back...yeeeeeaaaahhhhhh!!!

Originally posted by Nirgal

Originally posted by GamerGal
I said that the definition of a Zionist is anyone who believes the Jews have the right to exist. So unless you're a NAZI you are a Zionist.

If I was you I would seriously look into what these definitions can mean; what they mean to certain groups; and how inflammatory sweeping statements can be when thrown around in the heat of the moment.

I.E. I believe Jews have a right to exist but I also reserve the right to be a national-socialist. Being against Zionism does not mean that you wish Jews not to exist.



[edit on 3-1-2009 by Nirgal]

Nirgal, then you should get on with gamergal and the other zionists on these boards because zionism shares a lot of common ground with nazism.

Examples being;

Promised Land on someone else's land = Lebensraum

Chosen people = Aryan supremacy

Gaza walls = Lager

Gaza Refugee Camp = Warsaw Ghetto

Golani = SS shock trooper

Further reading;

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg - University Press of Kansas

Many of these Nazi Jews went to Palestine and fought fror the creation of the zionist state.

On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military. Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals. As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers. The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich. Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg's study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler's rule.

www.kansaspress.ku.edu...

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I thought this post was supposed to be about "Israeli tank column enters Gaza: witness".
Was hoping for some updates, news links and stuff.
What happened?