Divorce Papers Found-Obama Sr./ Ann Dunham says Obama Jr. born in Kenya

Originally posted by QueenofWeird
Let's say Obama was never eligible due to not being a natural born citizen and becomes Nobama, then this is the real conspiracy issue imo: WHY DID HE LET HIMSELF BE USED?

He must have known his status so why why why? The question who and why used Obama for this strange plot, if indeed Obama is not a natural born citizen, is imo less important than why Obama had himself used.

Why would anybody play a part in such a crazy farce only to be found out sometime in the future? Ok let's say he is dead when the truth surfaces, what about his children? To be the child of "Obama the President Elect who was not" must be tough.

My question is why would Obama have participated in this farce? And also, secondly, why and who would have created this scenario?

There are people who hate Obama and everything he stands for.....that is who ...............

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Some think Abraham Lincoln was the first black President. We don't know for sure.

reply to post by kozmo



What if you spoke directly to someone who was there, at the birth? Would you believe it then? Would any of you?

I'll be laughing at you all when this person swindles money from you and at the end the divorce papers say absolutely nothing in your favor. This is all nonsense and you fools keep falling for it every single time, it is so pathetic to watch.

reply to post by mel1962


Apparently no hospital in Honolulu has a record of Obama being born there.

'They seemed to know what hospital quite a few times months ago when it was claimed that Obama’s mother gave birth to him at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu - Obama and Mom Never Here

After it was concluded that Obama and his mother were never there, his sister was in an interview (Mary) and claimed that Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children - Obama and Mom Never Here

www.earthfrisk.com...

Why would he bother posting his certification of live birth on the internet instead of just posting his actual birth certificate? His certification of live birth doesn't mean anything. That makes no sense.

Also, as mentioned earlier, he's spent something like several million dollars fighting these cases when his campaign is already over several million dollars in debt. He could have just paid about $10 and gotten his birth certificate in the mail in about 3 days instead.

Logically, these facts just don't add up if he's a natural born citizen. If you disagree then please tell me how the two actions mentioned above make any sense at all.

I don't mind this nonsense at all, because it keeps some fools busy chasing fake documents and otherwise occupied when they could be causing some real trouble. There is enough real trouble going on right now, we don't need more.

I have to work with some dimwits who are convinced that Obama's election is a sure sign of the apocalypse. Man, they are a tiresome bunch. They believe all sorts of other silly crap, too. I'm embarrassed for them.

so the republican party and the us government couldn't uncover this years ago?
doesn't make logical sense.

Some how I feel this new thing is just another scam.
However anyone should wonder why BHO has sealed all his records. Yet he claims to be wanting a transparent government. Or does that only apply to everyone but him? The things that make me wonder is why the Courts refuse to make him show the same paper McCain showed when the questions came up about him. He did not refuse to show his original BC and tried to pass off a COLB instead, and hire banks of lawyers to prevent the facts to come out, like BHO did. But if all his other records are based on the one lie of not being born in the US it would make sense to me. In his own words he says he traveled to a country where at the time citizens of the US was not allowed to go. So to do that he had a passport, Where is it at? What name and citizenship is on it? Who paid for his education in collage? We know his records as a child show he went to school as a Indonesian citizen. Do they also show he went to school as a foreign student here? The newspaper announcement anyone could put out. But I read somewhere a investigator went there and questioned the neighbors who were still alive about the family. They have no memory of a white woman having a black child ever living there with the old white couple who owned the house at that time. Mixed race births where not that common back then and I am sure they would recall it.
So if there is so much doubt why not show the paper or the courts support the citizens over a politician and make him show it before swearing him in. After all his fan club also known as the media will not.

reply to post by MissysWorld


Congress passed a law making McCain a natural born citizen because of his birth in Panama. If there wasn't a question concerning his birth they would not have had to pass that law. Now, if Obama needs such a law passed in his favor don't you think Congress would do it? You people are barking up the wrong tree.

reply to post by BluegrassRevolutionary

The democrats wanted to win this election at all costs,that is why they made a deal with Hillary to let Obama take the nomination-they were counting on the black Americans to throw their votes behind him.

www.economic expert.com/a/Natural:born:citizen.htm

US Administrative Law: Title 8 Section 1401

Eligible for President of the United States:

Anyone born outside the United States to an alien parent and a citizen parent who lived in the United States for at least five years.

That make Barack Obama eligible for the Presidency! Doesn't it?

P.S. There are seven more that are listed qualifying a person to run for President.

ShellBeach

reply to post by Dragonsbreaths

I feel this new thing is just another scam. However anyone should wonder why BHO has sealed all his records.

America is a violent country. Three presidents were shot to death in the 19th century. Lincoln. Garfield. McKinley. Six presidents in the 20th century were shot at, three were hit, and two survived. T. Roosevelt, wounded. F. Roosevelt, person beside him was hit and died. Truman. A guard was killed when terrorists attempted to assassinate him. JKF was murdered by LHO. G. Ford was aimed at two times but neither got off a shot. Reagan was shot but made a full recovery.

The Secret Service ordered the earlier records of Obama sealed wherever possible to reduce the amount of information out there that could be used by possible assassins or kidnappers.

A BC and a COLB are the same. Some states label it one way, other states the other. Both labels mean the same thing. We don’t issue a BC to a stillborn child. All children born alive get either a BC or a COLB based on where they live. No mystery here.

We know his records as a child show he went to school as a Indonesian citizen. Mixed race births where not that common [in Hawaii] back then and I am sure they would recall it. So if there is so much doubt . .

You “know” wrong. He did go to school in Indonesia but he was always an American citizen.

Wrong on mixed race births in Hawaii. That state has always been a place of mixed races. Always.

reply to post by thematrix

If one of his parents is American, doesn't that automatically make him a US Citizen? If so, why does this pointless discussion continue?

reply to post by nyarlathotep

You have to be born in the US, not just a citizen. You didn't know that?

Here’s the citizenship and president argument in a nutshell.

There is a legitimate issue whether John McCain was eligible to be the president of the US. McCain was born in Panama.

There is NO issue that Obama is not eligible to be president. Obama was born in Hawaii afer it was admitted as the 50th state

There is room for MISUNDERSTANDING the McCain issue. There is no room for disagreeing. First, John McCain was born in Panama in 1936. His father was in the US Navy and was posted there. His mother could have returned to the US for the birth of the child but for whatever reason, she elected not to.

Second, the US Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

On citizenship. The Congress is assigned the power to make all rules for naturalizing foreign born persons. See US Con. Article 1. Section 8. “The Congress shall have power. . [See Clause 4] To establish a uniform rule of naturalization . . END.”

“Natural born” means born in the United States. Panama is not the United States. You should not have to be smarter than a 5th grader to understand the difference between being a CITIZEN by Act of Congress and being a NATURAL BORN citizen by act of nature.

Congress provided that any child born outside the US to 2 American citizen parents is a citizen of the United States. That law does NOT make a person NATURAL BORN, that cannot be done by any law. It does make the person a citizen without further adieux.

The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section.

In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person." Not eveyone agrees that this section includes McCain - but absent a court ruling either way, we must presume citizenship. [See the 14th Amendment.]
www.usconstitution.net...

The reason people still argue this point - McCain’s ineligibility - is that Congress cannot ALTER the Constitution except by proposing amendments to the states. The Supreme Court does not accept cases merely to settle an argument. The issue of the applicability of the statute is open until it is resolved by the SC.

The Senate's "Hail fellow well met" vote of approval on John McCain was NOT a law, nor was it a Joint Resolution signed by the President. It was the same as taking a popularity poll and of no more legal efficacy. It is the Courts that decide what laws apply, not Congress.

Aside: America does not look favorably on DUAL citizenship. Many countries do. Any person who does hold a dual citizenship is taking a risk he may be declared to have renounced his American citizenship if he does certain forbidden things.

Here is the oath of citizenship for immigrants to the US to take just before being granted citizenship. Note especially the first very non-ambiguous sentence.

The current oath is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. 8 CFR 337.1 provides that the phrase "so help me God" is optional.

The United States Oath of Citizenship (officially referred to as the "Oath of Allegiance," 8 CFR Part 337 (2008)) is an oath that must be taken by all immigrants who wish to become United States citizens. The first officially recorded Oaths of Allegiance were made on May 30, 1778, at Valley Forge during the Revolutionary War.


Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
www.law.cornell.edu...


[edit on 1/1/2009 by donwhite]

Originally posted by aero56

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by thematrix

 

GIve up! I've been trying to make this point in damned near every thread that discusses this issue. People don't seem to recall that if one parent is as citizen of this country, then any off spring are also citizens.

Thank you!!! I've been trying the same thing on other forums.

Going in circles.
Citizen, yes.
Natural born citizen, no!

reply to post by dangleb3rry


Well if it is true, and that is a big if, then the "winner" of the election would be the second place finisher, McCain. Hillary was not on the ballot.

This would be very interesting because we would have a Republican President but a Democrat Vice President.

McCain would have to hire extra security, someone not on the regular government payroll.

This is all fantasy of course. If the divorce papers lists Barack's birthplace as Kenya, then there will be a small press conference in which his mother's former attorney will simply say that there is a typo. Nothing to see here, move along:

If that doesn't work, then the SCOTUS will simply rule that the "Natural Born" clause in the Constitution means that one parent must be a citizen of the US. Of course this would further tarnish the reputation of SCOTUS but that's a price that the DNC would gladly pay.

reply to post by Ameneter


At the time that John McCain was born, the Canal Zone was US sovereign territory.

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
When will this issue finally die?????

I mean, do you really think that the DNC would have backed Obama's bid for the presidency if his ability to serve was even slightly in jeopardy?

I know that the RNC was stupid enough to allow a simpleton like Palin to run for Vice President, but come on, if there was even a chance that this issue had any merit the DNC would have just ran Hilary.

Face it guys, Obama will be the next President of the United States, get over it.

I don't know guy, the DNC was STUPID enough to make someone most of them couldn't recite a damn single accomplishment of Obama's when asked off the cuff in interviews. This is beside the fact this guy was the most inexperienced, unqualified, un-tested, unknown presidential candidate in history being put as front runner during the most crucial time at a MOST criticle time in our nations history and albeit you mock Sara Palin, she has more executive experience than either Biden OR Obama.

But even more than her experience is that she never had any close friends that had ever blown up buildings, been part of the Chicago Mob or any mob, had a minister who didn't shout GD America ranting and raving about evil white people, was never a member of any socialist organization with any communist "mentors" . Sara Palin, for all intents and purposes went under a more unfair and politically motivated scrutiny attacking her children to how much money she spent on a wardrobe while Obama buys spurious realestate from Tony the 'racketeer' rezko and no one seems to care. She has taken the undeserved blame for a failed McCain campaign and the Media has admitted to making up so much about her to thwart any of the boost she had intitially given that same campaign but never apologizing for it. She has taken all this in stride with the dignity and class one would expect from a Government elected official.

Be that as it may, their is one thing that makes Sara Palin a more trustworthy, and as politicians go, a more honest individual who would do more than Obama for her country to satisfy her detractors and interlocutors. It is something that in this writers view puts her all over Obama and it is THIS quality that makmes your post seem so damn irrelevent, it is THAT much above and beyond the call of duty, Obama would never consider any American is worthy of.

Sara would show us her damn Birth Certificate!

Originally posted by Ameneter
reply to post by MissysWorld

 

Congress passed a law making McCain a natural born citizen because of his birth in Panama. If there wasn't a question concerning his birth they would not have had to pass that law. Now, if Obama needs such a law passed in his favor don't you think Congress would do it? You people are barking up the wrong tree.

Not sure they would, but IT IS one of the reasons McCain didn't make such an issue of Obama's BC as Obama was the one suggesting they do it so their would be no question of it and obama helped write the bill.

Gee wonder why he would have been so sympathetic to John McCain

[edit on 1-1-2009 by Aermacchi]

reply to post by aero56


In fact we do know. There is no doubt that Abraham Lincoln was a white man. In fact we know much more about his geneology than most other Presidents.

I saw a show on Discover as well in which the hired a forensic pahologist to evaluate photos of Lincoln and determine his race. They also had a clipping of Lincoln's hair (it was customary to keep locks of hair in Lincoln's day) and they even talked about checking the DNA. I don't remember whether they actually tested it.

Anyway, it was determined that Lincoln was in fact caucasian.

Originally posted by skoalman88
I think the fact this argument is even taking place is a good indicator of how stupid the US general population really is. Obama never provided a birth certificate (certification of live birth is NOT the same thing) and yet people still defend the Messiah and attack those seeking the truth.

A U.S. Federal court has already looked into the issue. For the purposes of determining citizenship, the certificate of live birth from Hawaii was deemed sufficient. The US Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal.
The issue is over.

There isn't any good evidence that there's a problem.