US says will give $85 million to help Palestinians

reply to post by intrepid

Yes Intrepid,I believe in aiding the sick,starving and injured.If all that money would make it to actually help.When has ANY government done what they proport to do?How much of that U.N. money will make it into the pockets of some third world dictator? Face it,it's just another sham.They haven't taken enough from us I guess.The U.S funds the majority of U.N. projects,with a large majority of the funds needed.Again I ask,when did we get the responsiblity for wet nursing the entire world?

if we give them money.... the majority of it will go to buying military type resources. If its food/medical/housing/water/economic... its us being nice... for now.

Bottome line, that money is going to dissapear fast.

Fox

Originally posted by daddyroo45
Charity begins at home!!

This country sends billions of dollars a year to other countries that would just as soon,see us blown to hell. I don't believe in isolationism.However I do believe that this country needs to practice protectionism.Protect our families,our jobs,our monetary welfare.
I don't mean give us all a hand out.Equalize the import tax structures.Fix it where goods from China cost the same as American goods.If we don't manufacture the goods,start manufacturing them.Put people back to work.

This continual hand out of our money over seas,makes me sick.Palestine is and has been a terror supporting state.We owe them NOTHING!!! When did it become our responsibility to wet nurse the rest of the world?

The ironic thing is most of the world also probably wants the US to stop getting involved in their countries. Sending aid to various countries may have unexpected consequences and keep people in power who would have otherwise been overthrown when living condition became intolerable for the average citizen. I really think this is one issue America citizens should demand their leaders to adress. America is deep in debt and can no longer afford this kind of spending.

That said, this gives some weight to my theory that the big players want Hamas to stay, war in the middle east raises the price of oil and that's something they badly need right now. Arms manufactures would also want to make sure Hamas stays.

Being a father, I don't want to imagine children sitting around, starving, crying their little eyes to sleep because their stomachs hurt so bad because there is no food for them. I just keep thinking - what if it were my daughter out there ...

If the money is for humanitarian aid and is used for such, then I'm all for it, whether we owe them anything or not.

reply to post by intrepid


Guilty conscience? I think not.What would I have to feel guilty about. Should I feel guilty that Israel and Palistine are having problems? I owe neither one of them anything.Actually this country owes them nothing.
Sending money to countries under the guise of humanitarian aid is a farce,and most people know it. Remember U.N.I.C.E.F.? Remember how much of each dollar donated actually made it to the people? I have a heart and feel for those that are down trodden.I do donate to the Salvation Army and St. Judes.I know that the money gets where its needed. I also have a memory.A memory of all those U.N. fiasco's of food drops in Africa.Where the war lords took the food and let the people starve.Instead of enforcing strict armed supervision so the people would get relief.It was like oh well let's drop some more food maybe they'll get this load.
Do they believe that we are ALL fools?

reply to post by daddyroo45


I agree with you,
But the question still comes out..
Who in our government is making these decisions for the american people?
What commitee is set up to say, Hey lets send them, ow like 85 million.
Oh, I am sorry, too american, should wait and see what other countrys are going to send.
Hmm, the UK, UN? Russia? how much aid are they willing to give up?
Ugh...

useless

none, i repeat NONE of this money will go to the people

or else Israel would not allow it

and even if they did, it never went to the people before when it came from the U.S.

so why think it would go to the people now when it's an israeli enemy? LOL

come on man

plus anything the U.S. funds, they latter attack

Funding excuses for war!

U.S gave Pakistan Billions every year, which they used to finance a defensive against India.

Bin Laden a former CIA Agent.

Install the Shah of Iran, now let's invade Iran.

he US was allies with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war in the 70's/80's. The United States was secretly selling arms through Israel to Iran at the exact same time. America's excuse at the time was that they sold Iran the weapons in exchange for the release of American hostages. Some of this money was used to arm the Nicaraguan Contras. What was also interesting was that the Soviet Union was allies with Iran and they were selling weapons to Iraq secretly. You can't make this # up.

Also, America sold chemical, biological, and items to create weapons of mass destruction to Iraq in the 80's which Saddam Hussein used against his own people and would later be used against American troops during the first gulf war in 1991.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


WOW,
You summed alot up with that.

Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by MREALE

 

I'm with you. I'm getting so damn sick of the US printing and handing out money to countries when we are going to be joining the rest of the poor world soon. We have our own problems to deal with currently and shouldn't be handing out money to make ourselves feel better.

I'm not saying don't offer political support but lets not print more money that we already don't have.

there you go,it doesnt come from taxes,there just printing the money and giving it away!,the result is a devaluation in the dollar and increase in inflation,is this the intent?,considering the us economy has clearly been brought down on purpose, devaluing the dollar with large charitable donations is rather clever!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
useless

none, i repeat NONE of this money will go to the people

or else Israel would not allow it

and even if they did, it never went to the people before when it came from the U.S.

so why think it would go to the people now when it's an israeli enemy? LOL

come on man

plus anything the U.S. funds, they latter attack

Funding excuses for war!

U.S gave Pakistan Billions every year, which they used to finance a defensive against India.

Bin Laden a former CIA Agent.

Install the Shah of Iran, now let's invade Iran.

he US was allies with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war in the 70's/80's. The United States was secretly selling arms through Israel to Iran at the exact same time. America's excuse at the time was that they sold Iran the weapons in exchange for the release of American hostages. Some of this money was used to arm the Nicaraguan Contras. What was also interesting was that the Soviet Union was allies with Iran and they were selling weapons to Iraq secretly. You can't make this # up.

Also, America sold chemical, biological, and items to create weapons of mass destruction to Iraq in the 80's which Saddam Hussein used against his own people and would later be used against American troops during the first gulf war in 1991.

and this pattern is repeated endless through various superpowers,some thing (no guessing whom i tihnk it is) has and is intentfully destablising the world from the shadows,they hold no allegiance to any nation,organisation of humans at all,they corrupt us,divide us and cause us to harm each other.

reply to post by MREALE


IT really doesn't matter what Russia or any other country sends Palistine. The fact is every dollar sent in over seas aid is borrowed.Now how many of you know that all the privately held land in the United States stands for the "public" debt? Economics 101.When you owe more than your collateral is worth,what happens? Can anyone say "forecloser".Ten trillion dollars in standing debt(acknowledged debt) and every indicator points to much more down the road.
I'm sorry,I just don't see how sending the U.N. 85 million dollars will benefit us in any way.Look at how many millions of dollars were given to France in the 60's to keep them afloat.They really know how to return friendship don't they? I do know that when you buy your friends/allies,you get what you pay for.

reply to post by daddyroo45


Right, I agree, but my point is still this, who is making these decisions for us? Were are they coming up with these $$$ signs thinking they will help a terrorist sponsored state.
I guess when the federal reserve can just print whatever monetary is needed the figures really dont matter.

reply to post by MREALE


I doubt very seriously anybody will stand up and say"It's my idea,I made that decision". We are dealing with and out of control headless entity called government. You know I believe there are those in our government that still believe they can do whatever they want and we'll never know the difference.People are waking up to the fact that our government has been screwing us over for a long time.I just hope it's not to late.

I'm glad to see that a good chunk of the money will be going to UN relief workers as opposed to Hamas themselves.

I mean let's be honest here... both parties of Palestinian leadership have a bad record of using funds the right way. Does anyone know where the Billions of dollars in aid that beast Arafat was given went? Is it still hidden in European accounts while it was supposed to be used for food for the refugee camps? Ole Yasser knew how to profit off his people.

Having the UN control the money will hopefully prevent someone else from stepping into his shoes. It's more critical than ever before that this money be used to help the people of Gaza. They didn't ask for this trouble.

To the people complaining about the money... we dish out plenty of foreign aid, in this case the UN will ensure that it will be used to help civilian population in Gaza who need help. This isn't "bailout" money or anything like that.

My theory is they don't really care how much money is being dolled out because in the end which will probably be soon they will change currencies and ratify the North American Union. Like a thief in the night with out any of us and when I say any of us I mean Mexicans,Americans and Canadians having a say in any of it. So they throw a few more million here for the Palestinian relief effort. It wont change anything at the end of the day as these people who are funding all of this(Both Sides) will be laughing all the way to the bank.

[edit on 12/30/2008 by CaptGizmo]

reply to post by sos37


I agree that the thought of anyone starving or suffering is very bothersome but the problem I have is that there are people here, in our own freaking country starving and suffering. Let's help America first. I thought the point of a government was to take care of it's own before funneling aid to other areas.

reply to post by nihilus


Oh, dont get me started on the UN or the conspiracys surrounding them and eventual New World Order agenda's. Placing the funds in there hands could be even worse for our own eventual survival as a nation.

I don't think the UN is perfect, believe me... especially after the oil for food scam.

But think of the alternative.

A small excerpt about Arafat:

Also in 2003, a team of American accountants–hired by Arafat's own finance ministry–began examining Arafat's finances. The team claimed that part of the Palestinian leader's wealth was in a secret portfolio worth close to $1 billion, with investments in companies like a Coca-Cola bottling plant in Ramallah, a Tunisian cell phone company and venture capital funds in the US and the Cayman Islands. The head of the investigation stated that "although the money for the portfolio came from public funds like Palestinian taxes, virtually none of it was used for the Palestinian people; it was all controlled by Arafat. And none of these dealings were made public."

Quoted from wiki but sourced from CBS

I think I'd go with the UN...

Originally posted by MREALE
My biggest question is..
"Who makes up the governments mind to send aid, then were do they come up with the figure?"
Ugh...

Well, liberals are in power now.

So there is your answer.

reply to post by nihilus


Knowing that the U.N. is going to controll that money doesn't reassure me in the least.Their record of dispersal of funds is less than stellar.
People must have short term memory loss,or are just to busy to actually look at the picture. Can anyone point to one thing the U.N. has done that didn't end up in worse shape than when it started?