Cynthia McKinney Aboard Boat Headed for Gaza, Intercepted by Israeli Naval Force

Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
Then after the truce ended the bombs flew and Israel being the sneaky little devils they are opened the gates for a day or two to fool people just like they did you to make it seem like Israel is some humanitarian country. BTW you dont do blockades while under a truce....

By that logic Israel is damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't allow aid, they are evil people committing atrocities against humanity. If they do open the borders to allow aid, they are doing it for a show. Alrighty then.

[edit on 12/30/2008 by AshleyD]

But they did it for the wrong reasons Ashley. As I stated above there should of never been a blockade in the first place. They were under a truce in which Hamas stood by even though they were being blocked off. Then when the truce ended and Israel didnt remove the blockade they started throwing missiles. Then Israel opened the gates afterwords for a day.....

Originally posted by kosmicjack
I was completely buying the story until I heard McKinney is involved.

That woman is a crackpot and an opportunist. The story may well be true but her involvement is always of dubious intent.

I don't like her either, but she's not really the story here IMO. It could have been anyone on the boat, it's the idea that medical supplies were intercepted by show of force in international waters.

When the ship entered Israeli or Palestinian waters, I could see Israeli justification for boarding and inspecting the cargo, but from the story it sounds like they attacked the supply boat 90 miles off shore. Cypress should seek damages. That has got to be against international maritime law.


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reply to post by Harlequin


Agreed, when you take away all of the hopes that people can have, show a new generation the harsh reality of what their future is going to entail living at the mercy of another country's whims, what will one expect except Fatah, Hamas, etc. No hope, no guarantee of safety from those who control whether or not you get even the basics such as water, a home that may be here today/bulldozed tomorrow...

What a horrific mistake Churchill made, and I wonder if he was alive and knowing what happened today if he would have made the push so hard for the Israeli "settlement."

Then again, quoting Churchill: "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

And I can still read echoes of that same mentality here today. How far we've come from the dark ages, and how close we still remain to its "ideals."

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I'm surprised to read so many responses wishing for the death of McKinney or that she had fallen overboard, let alone dismissing the story entirely because she was on that boat. Israel rammed a boat carrying aid in international waters, they were wrong, but we'll see apologies for it I'm sure.

One day they're going to ram the wrong ship, and we're going to really hear about some anti-Zionist crybabying then.

Those of you who keep defending the 'Palestinians" and denegrating the Israelis might want to actualy read about just who the damned Palestinians are and why it is this Bedouin tribe of outcasts hasn't been invited to live in any other Arab country since the 1800's. They where the main reason for the destruction of Lebenon and caused their own problems. They are the tools of every Arab state, andthe other Arab states uses them and supplies them with all the weapons needed to harass Israel. They deserve nothing. They need to make amends with one of the Arab countries and move there and live like human beings and stop the militant stance they have taken with everybody including the other Arab nations.
Zindo

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i think you should more ask why Clement Atlee withdrew British forces from palestine in 1946 when coming under terrorist attcks from The Stern Gang and Irgun (lead by the future leader of israel Menachem Begin)

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
As I stated above there should of never been a blockade in the first place. They were under a truce in which Hamas stood by even though they were being blocked off.

I disagree. A truce does not mean throwing caution to the wind, letting your guard down, and becoming lax on security measures. My two cents. Egypt is always more than welcome to open its borders as well and lead by example, of course.

reply to post by dbates


Do you suppose the shop Lorriane Booth bought her groceries is still standing? And those goods, that were most probably smuggled in through tunnels to by pass the Israeli blockades, are they affordable or can just any Gazan step in and fill their baskets?

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Those of you who keep defending the 'Palestinians" and denegrating the Israelis might want to actualy read about just who the damned Palestinians are and why it is this Bedouin tribe of outcasts hasn't been invited to live in any other Arab country since the 1800's. They where the main reason for the destruction of Lebenon and caused their own problems. They are the tools of every Arab state, andthe other Arab states uses them and supplies them with all the weapons needed to harass Israel. They deserve nothing. They need to make amends with one of the Arab countries and move there and live like human beings and stop the militant stance they have taken with everybody including the other Arab nations.
Zindo

Do you really want to go there? The tribe wasnt invited to live in any other arab state. If you do want to go there then you might want to "read about just who the damned Israelis are" then. Keep in mind they have been booted from every country in the world for over a 1000 years. If you need me to list all the countries I can. So please dont go that way. Its irrelevant to the topic.

Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
As I stated above there should of never been a blockade in the first place. They were under a truce in which Hamas stood by even though they were being blocked off.

I disagree. A truce does not mean throwing caution to the wind, letting your guard down, and becoming lax on security measures. My two cents. Egypt is always more than welcome to open its borders as well and lead by example, of course.

I agree about Egypt however they are bought off just like America has been bought off by Israel. Both the US government and Egypts is flowing with Mossad and dual citizens. Why do you think the media is so one sided on this issue? Lifting a blockage doesnt mean you are letting your guard down it means you are abiding by a truce or cease fire. No one told Israel they needed to drop their weapons and go home.

"The capacity for great violence is never to be equated with a preference for great violence." Michael C. Riggs

The difference between the two sides is that Israel has a great capacity for great violence, and rarely is compelled to use it.

The Muslims, especially those in these fundamental organizations have a preference for great violence, but fortunately, (and I'll assume the work of Providence, ) they don't have a great capacity.

Funny, how they can't smuggle food in, but they can use the tunnels to smuggle in weapons, arms, rockets, and components.

The first rule of conflict is give the enemy nothing. If you can starve them out, so much the better.

This bimbo on the boat should have been blown out of the water if the Israelis were cut from the same cloth as the Gazans.

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[edit on 30-12-2008 by MemoryShock]

As for those pictures of a shop full of food? So what? Is that store still there? What were the prices of those goods, especially if they were smuggled?

And even if there are 30 Wal-Marts there, if still there are people eating dirt and grass, then why can't people bring in aid? If my neighbor is starving and lives next door to a stockpile of canned beans but can't get any for himself, do I deserve to be shot dead on the sidewalk because I bring him a steak? Afterall, food is nearby.

reply to post by niteboy82


niteboy, no one is eating grass.

That is a load of crap, another part of the propaganda that the Gazans do so very well.

To this day, especially in winter, my dad will be out and about and go, "Look! Polk salad."

It looks similar to other leafy weeds, but it makes for a tasty addition to a meal. He doesn't need it, he isn't starving, but it would look funny to one unknowing.

Eating grass?

Get serious.

Originally posted by Harlequin
boarding a ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS is a breach of the Geneva Convention of the law of the seas (1958)

Who are we kidding? The Geneva Convention...it was thrown out into the dump by G.Bush...why bring it up now?

Peace

dAlen

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by niteboy82

 

niteboy, no one is eating grass.

That is a load of crap, another part of the propaganda that the Gazans do so very well.

To this day, especially in winter, my dad will be out and about and go, "Look! Polk salad."

It looks similar to other leafy weeds, but it makes for a tasty addition to a meal. He doesn't need it, he isn't starving, but it would look funny to one unknowing.

Eating grass?

Get serious.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Hardly a pusher of Palestinian propaganda.

Originally posted by dooper

That is a load of crap, another part of the propaganda that the Gazans do so very well.

Exactly... propaganda.
Until you and I see with our own eyes, we really wont know.
The media is owned by both sides of the fence.

Peace

dAlen

reply to post by dooper


I hope you're not referring to pokeweed that grows there?

Because if you are, I severely doubt that anyone would consider a plant that contains phytolaccine as part of a healthy balanced diet.

In a land where their water supply is cut by an occupying force, do you really believe they have the water to spare that is required to boil the leaves multiple times to take out the toxins? And even if they do, you see no harm in that as a means of existing?

Would you care to have someone tell you that you can only live on a quarter of the land you at one time owned and had to dig in the dirt to get your food which would contain toxins that you had to boil out, but you only got a little water per day so healthy boiling?

Originally posted by dAlen

Originally posted by dooper

That is a load of crap, another part of the propaganda that the Gazans do so very well.

Exactly... propaganda.
Until you and I see with our own eyes, we really wont know.
The media is owned by both sides of the fence.

Peace

dAlen

How many Palestinian owned media agencies are there out there? Then how many Jewish ran media agencies are out there? You guess which way their bias will be towards.

reply to post by dooper

Funny, how they can't smuggle food in, but they can use the tunnels to smuggle in weapons, arms, rockets, and components.

But that is what you say. Based on the behaviour of Israel, common sense dictates that the Palestinians should arm themselves in any way possible. Regarding your obsession with Palestinian grub, how do they get their food what with the Israeli blockade if not through tunnels?

Transporting arms for the resistance does not presuppose food is not smuggled. But you know this, however, you want to ramrod the idea that Palestinians prefer bullets over food.

According your deluded propaganda, Palestinians are armed to the teeth and living of thin air.

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reply to post by niteboy82

What a horrific mistake Churchill made, and I wonder if he was alive and knowing what happened today if he would have made the push so hard for the Israeli "settlement."

Winston Churchill once said:

“In war-time, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”

He might have pushed even harder based on the quoted type of thinking.

Much of Churchill's career was aimed towards ensuring a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

We may now just be seeing to what end, though that bodygaurd sure does make it hard to imagine what that end might be.

Failed presidential candidate McKinney is off for a boat ride eh?
Next we'll see her standing in front of bulldozers over there
as a 'human shield'.

The Anti-Defamation League has her pegged as a racist anti-jew. I'm sure we won't see McKinney crying any tears for all the dead and terrorized Jews - dead and terrorized at the hands of Hamas.