The NWO is "not bad" (Illuminati are doing the correct thing)

reply to post by Roufas


First, the evidence I bring is REALITY. when I talk about choice and options it IS EVIDENCE.
NO ONE forces you to watch TV. or BUY THE FOOD. etc..
so that is evidence by itself. As is the simple fact that the masses GO to war and fight. even if a war is set up, without the masses, the blood would not be spilled.
so evidence, reality, and nature is all I am talking about.

next.
NOTICE what you did with your second comment. About the "raising kids to think this way and do that way"
So you admit with your words.
Simple
the masses willingly raise their kids in that way.
now
the illuminati are NOT YOUR PARENTS. they do not believe in FORCING you to believe one thing or another.
they provide the options and the masses choose to watch mindless TV(I love TV btw, Dexter is the best show there is out there) and teach their kids NOT to be responsible.

wait, do you think the freemasons/illuminati raise their kids the same as the 6.4 billlion people raise their kids. I dont think so.

1. The illuminati are not your parents. They dont force you to be any one way.
2. The masses willingly raise their kids with certain ideas (entitlement for doing NOTHING)
3. No one forces you to watch tv, believe what the teacher says or CNN says, etc..
4. Yes I am rude to people on this forum
5. Its amazing how many times the obvious can be pointed out and the response from the masses(sheeple) is the following.
"BUT they poison our food. THey lie to us. They put stupid shows on TV. they start wars."
EACH and everyone one of those comments are based on psychological issues, not reality.
observe how the statement is "they" and "us". as in WE are entitled to everything.
observe how the statement DOES not mention that they willingly ate the food, watched tv. etc..

its like the drug addict. The addict became addicted because he WILLINGLY picked up the PIPE and smoked it.
it is not a desease or addiction untill the druggie has WILLINGLY SMOKED< SNORTED, or injected himself numerous time WILLINGLY.

reply to post by MrJelly



RIght...the NWO is only good for reptillians and terrans. Not humans who are innocent children of the cosmos and need to be taught, not led around like ignorant sheep.

Grow up dude...look around and ask yourself if you do accept the loss of life that has been taken place for thousands of years, only to perpetuate the global plan of an elite world order. It's not even a NEW WORLD ORDER...it is unequivocally, an ELITE WORLD ORDER. Let's get it straight people...

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reply to post by MrJelly


Yes yes , I understand your analogy with the drug addicts , and I think that might be the best one I have seen around.

I can't really say the elite have evil plans or anything of the sort , as some claim here.

But I also know the drug dealer will extort you to unbelievable heights when he has you under control of the addiction. I agree that if you willingly put yourself under that condition , even though you KNEW what was waiting for you , you certainly deserve it. But if you went through that completely unaware , getting subjugated by the drug , that is just some kind of conning you into being dependant on the drug.


So , if you are in a position of power , and do not care that other human beings are starving around the world , and you only care about yourself , it is completely plausible that they would do anything to keep the grasp of that power , it is not that they are evil or anything. They could even be thinking it is for the best of mankind for all we know !


You cannot say it is completely our fault either , I agree that the ones that were alive in the time they decided to put the federal reserve banking system in play , and did nothing to stop it , are somewhat at fault.

Saying it is completely this generation's fault is like saying white people from today are at fault from all the enslavement of the black people centuries ago , we were not even there to have a saying in that , yet you can see how that affects racism in the world even today ...



Try going to a drug addict , that never had any education in the harms caused by the drug , and talk him out of it. That would be tough , he has another sense of reality , which is not reality , you might even get killed for trying it. By themselves they would not even have 1% of realizing it , let alone leave the drugs themselves.



So my conclusion is that we , the ones that have knowledge about the harms of the drug , need to do something about it. And not because we are special , or gods , or anything. We ARE drug addicts that are aware of the harm being done to us (so we are even MORE at fault for letting it continue!), we just have a better chance at getting off it. I think it is cool that people are trying to wake up others to the realities they have been born into , but they forget they are still willingly bound to it.


Free yourself completely first , if you really want it , then worry about getting the others out of the drugs. For sure , the drug dealers will not be the ones getting us off the drugs

finally someone who can think logically.
ok, so here is my reply

1. the drug addict...by CHOOSING not to do research into the drug and BELIEVING what the dealer told him/her, is willingly handing responsiblity over to someone else. Therefore, even if the person did NOT KNOW that the drug is addictive or bad, it makes no difference, he or she CHOSE to not find info...lazy

2. you are right, we are not responsible for the acts in the past. I coMPLETELY agree. However, if the current system is running, regardless of when it was set up, it is running because the masses are FINE WITH IT. Regardless of how much they complain (lets face it, they all complain but do not want to work hard to change anything).
just by reducing things down to the simple level, If it exists and is running..it is because people like it and follow it.
STupid TV shows. TMZ, etc.... people watch it.

Lastly,
EVERY single person is aware or AWAKE. they choose to go back to sleep coz its easier and it allows them to complain with things go bad.
so my duty
and yours
is to take care of ourselves and our family. NOT TO SAVE THE WORLD
anyone that says they want to SAVE the world is in ACTUALLY running away from their true duty to themselves and their immediate family.

So im saying that the drug dealer is, unfortunately, supplying something that the masses want and have begged for.
its like the "poor community" always says. "THE CIA BROUGHT THE DRUGS INTO OUR GHETTO". Yes that might be true. BUT,
did the CIA put a gun to your head and say USE IT. NO
no one can argue with this. however, BOTH PARTIES are NOT AT FAULT.
the CIA provided a service and an OPTION.
thats it. IF you say there should NOT be an option, you are not following the laws of nature.

So the current NWO and all its doings are natural and follow specific laws. Illuminati=extension of nature

WHile it may seem like things are not the best they could be, they are INDEED the best they can be due to the lack of motivation, drive, responsiblity, etc.. of the masses who rather have things fuked up and complain than to get up and be responsible.

so the FED is what it is because the masses allowed it to happen and STILL allow it to happen. Even when confronted with the info about the FED, what does the average sherpson do???

OK and why dont you volunteer for the Population Reduction Program that they have cooked up for the masses,,,?

After thinking through for a while I can see it , people HAVE to see it for themselves that what is going on is not in their best interests , although it keeps things as it is , their lives goes on. If they are fine with things as they are (although things can be better) , I agree with you , we have to worry about our selves , if we want things to get better for us , we have to worry about ourselves first.

Make your lives better first (if you want) , then worry about others , if you want as well. So far , that is what I see , and that is what I WILL DO , I cannot alone , worry for the whole world , you see.

If you just lead people the way , they will keep being the sheeple they are , and not think for themselves.

Bilderberger Admits Influence On World Decisions

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the editors of such newspapers as the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times are regular Bilderberg attendees and value Bilderberg's strict secrecy rule over and above any responsibility to their readers or the American people.

Bilderberg is routinely attended by the world's top CEO's, Prime Minsters, Presidents, NATO officials, UN officials, Federal Reserve members, European Central Bank heads, banking heads, oil heads, University Professors, as well as people like Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller and Bill Gates.

If 200 football or basketball stars met in secret do you think the media would be interested in finding out what they were talking about?

Yet these people shape the destiny of our world and there's barely a hint of a mention in the U.S. media.

The full translation of the Portuguese article appears below. Thanks to Rui Garrido for sending it in.

Meeting in Washington: Bilderberg invites Antonio Costa and Rui Rio

By Helena Pereira

Mayors of Lisbon and Porto represent Portugal in the think-tank's annual meeting which starts this Thursday

The mayors of Lisbon and Porto, Antonio Costa (PS), and Rui Rio (PSD), are the Portuguese invitees at Bilderberg, which will have its annual meeting by the end of this week in Washington.

Bilderberg is an exclusive think-tank which, every year, seeks to invite influential personalities of the political and business world. In 2004, for example, the Portuguese invitees were Pedro Santana Lopes and Jose Socrates, who were to later become prime-ministers.

Besides being mayors to the two biggest cities in the country, both Antonio Costa and Rui Rio are seen as strong candidates to their respective parties' leaderships, in the near future.

This year's Bilderberg meeting will take place between next Thursday and Sunday in a hotel located in the vicinities of Washington.

Francisco Pinto Balsemão, the chairman of Impresa, is the only Portuguese citizen in Bilderberg's board of directors.
“For Bilderberg critics the fact that there is almost no publicity about the annual meetings is proof they are up to no good,” BBC’s Hayton said on air. “Jim Tucker, [senior] editor of . . . American Free Press, for example, alleges they organize wars and elect and depose political leaders. He describes the group as simply ‘evil.’ So where does the truth lie?”

Bilderberg meetings “often feature future political leaders shortly before they become household names,” Hayton said. “Bill Clinton went in 1991, while still governor of Arkansas. Tony Blair was there two years later while still an
opposition member of Parliament. All the recent presidents of the European Commission attended Bilderberg meetings before they were appointed.”

BBC did not mention that Blair also attended in 1998 as prime minister.

NO ACCIDENT

Davignon explained that Bilderberg’s steering committee “does its best assessment of who are the bright new boys or girls in the beginning phase of their career who would like to get known. . . . It’s not a total accident.”

“Professor Kees van der Piji of Sussex University in Britain says such private networks of corporate and political leaders play an informal but crucial role in the modern world,” Hayton said. He quotes the professor:

“ ‘There need to be places where these people can think about the main challenges ahead, coordinate where policies should be going, and find out where there could be a consensus.’ ”

This benign image of Bilderberg, however, denies reality. A simple glance at the secret roster of attendees shows it is composed of the wealthy elites, who are all seeking similar goals—increasing their power and profits, while turning the rest of us into serfs on the global plantation.

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reply to post by MrJelly


I agree with you on some but not all points. We do choose to go to war and if people mention the draft i never signed up other could do the same. Pulling the trigger we choose this but it is because are brothers are dying beside us. When you say there not evil though i dont believe because they do it for greed and power and we do it for the same. plus its how most of us where brought up brain washed. if you dont believe that the pleg of aleagence. we could all stand up agents the gov and over throw but peps are lazy. most want to just follow the crowed.

I can agree with you about the Illuminati trying to make the world better.
The only thing I wonder about is why the Illuminati is so unheard of if it's trying to do good. Most groups that try to make things better get a lot of attention.
Maybe it's the fact that not many people have heard of it, or maybe they are trying to keep the NWO a secret.

reply to post by CNRHKick


The majority of the information on there on the Illuminati is agenda based - someone wants a scapegoat, and doesn't mind pointing fingers at people and spreading fear, lies and panic in order to blame the "Illuminati".

It's bunk.

Fact of the matter is, most Illuminists are too busy working for the betterment of world peoples to be bothered to combat the disinformation....i.e. they're trying to institute policy changes (for example), run their businesses fairly and justly in accordance with their values, solve social problems, engineer and design more efficient technology and designs, etc...etc... to really keep up with the petty "Us versus Them" fight.

In other words - (and please ask yourself this) - who is more of a danger?

a.) Someone who is "invisible" because they're working so hard in their field to promote heathy change in the world...

or

b.) someone who has nothing better to do with their time than write huge web pages trying to implicate and accuse people who are actively working in said fields and create fear, doubt and remove faith in the very people/corporations/agencies that the system revolves around.


Now granted, this is a very elementary insight into that dynamic - I couldn't go into the whole spectrum in a single post - but I will say this much about the issue before signing off:

NEVER - in over 20 years of study on the Illuminati - have I seen ANY of these "fear based" information sources EVER ONCE attempt to explain or put forth a SOLUTION or VIABLE ALTERNATIVE to who/what they are rallying against and trying to encourage others to do as well.

In other words, it's almost a "Cult" Mentality on the part of these disinfo agents. They themselves are projecting their own dissonance onto an external "untouchable group" in order to give the illusion that they (the disinfo fearmongers) are the "saviors" of this imagined threat they have created.

You can buy their books, attend their churches (should one exist) and fund them all you want, but in reality - I've never seen any reality based and/or Real World works of charity from the majority of those folks.

It's easy to talk, but talk means nothing in the long haul.

Let's judge the Illuminati and their Rivals from the quality of their contributions and fruits of labor for the human race as opposed to debatable "facts" and "conspiracy theory".

I'm not here to tell anyone what side to pick, or how to personally align oneself on this issue - I just hope you'll dig a little DEEPER into the history of the Illuminati, and maybe muse upon how the old tradtions of the Order may be translated into the Modern Day and Age.

Sorry to be so short and incomplete on this issue - my U2U is always open if anyone wishes to compare notes and/or discuss this matter further in private.

Peace and don't worry - everything will be ok!



*edit for typo



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WOW mrjelly you type everything i think haha... So true about the illuminati i mean if anything i wanna know how to get in!

Can you imagine realistically what the 'whole' world would be like if they take charge? And how you talk about them being nature, i understand that as almost like them saving our planet because realisticaly all we are doing is destroying it.

This will probably sound pretty morbid but take it however you want (i dont care) There is far too many people on this planet for it to be sustained and humans are the real 'monsters' of this world. Look at idiot poachers who hunt and hunt till the species is extinct happens all the time.

Basically the earth NEEDS a cleansing get rid of 4.5 billion people then the earth could start to recouperate and the new population would live extremely satisfying lives in harmony with the planet, it seems this is what they want, you could almost argue that they are saving the 'planet' NOT the human race which for the planets sake really really doesnt need to be saved. I probably offended a few of you out there but i realise most wouldnt understand anyway. BUT you will in the next couple thousand yers when we probably have to leave this rock.

reply to post by Skinon

Basically the earth NEEDS a cleansing get rid of 4.5 billion people then the earth could start to recouperate and the new population...

So says the neo-Malthusians. Do you have any proof to support this allegation?

So you know all members of the illuminate then? Name them?

It's funny how the only people that support the OP and give him a star are the same people who are negative and subscribe to doom & gloom and blame everyone but themselves for the state that this world is in. Grow a babckbone and stop dwelling in your own self pity.

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Originally posted by MrJelly
*NO one is being MANIPULATED. Everyone CHOOSES to believe the lies they are told. THEY DEMAND to hear lies instead of the truth.

And if you can recall you were conditioned at a very early age that you would be punished for telling the truth from your parents, schools, the law, and just about every other person that carries the sickness of loving the LIE more than the Truth.

If everyone told the truth of how they really thought and felt, they would be arrested or exiled. Just a fact.

reply to post by kindred

So you know all members of the illuminate then? Name them?

The OP refers to the ruling class as the Illuminati. Most of them are known to the general public.

It's funny how the only people that support the OP and give him a star are the same people who are negative and subscribe to doom & gloom and blame everyone but themselves for the state that this world is in.

I'm not sure if you understand the OP. That's almost exactly what he is saying, that WE are blaming the ruling elite instead of looking to ourselves for the blame.

I know exactly what the OP is saying. Sorry but it's the people in power, elitist bankers and religious institutions who are responsible for the state that this world is currently in. Anyone who begs to differ needs to pull their head out their backside.

You expect me to respect people like, Blair, Brown, Bush etc and all the other political stooges who apparently only have our best interests at heart and yet all they've done when in power is lie and deceive everyone and made political decisions that have been absolutely disastrous for all. To suggest that these peeple are enlightened is truly hilarious. Thanks for the laugh though.

Some people seriously need a reality check!

Please enlighten me as to why anyone, including myself should respect those in government who are morally beneath us? I've got more respect for a cockroach than people like Blair, Brown, Bush, Cheney and the rest of the bottom feeders and my stance is completely justified. Please explain why I'm wrong?

Maybe when those in power share the same values as myself and the majority of the population of this planet, maybe then and only then will we take them seriously. The nerve! I always take responsibilty for all my actions, it's a shame that those in power don't do like wise. Probably because they neither have a moral compass or a backbone.




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reply to post by MrJelly






you are missing a integral piece of the picture, in the end times, all shall be decieved

Originally posted by kindred
I know exactly what the OP is saying. Sorry but it's the people in power, elitist bankers and religious institutions who are responsible for the state that this world is currently in. Anyone who begs to differ needs to pull their head out their backside.

I beg to differ, and my head is not in my backside. I'm not the OP, but I don't think you understand what he was saying at all. The people in power are not solely responsible for the state that this world is currently in, and to continue to insist on such nonsense, to continue to remain in a victimized state solves nothing, helps nothing, changes nothing.

Yes, the media and whatnot may be used in fear mongering campaigns of propaganda dissemination and sophisticated "mind control", but fear or "mind control" or poverty or whatever - none of that is a good enough excuse for not taking FULL responsibility for one's actions. Not anymore, not in this day and age. Firstly, mind control is nothing more than persuasion because no one can truly control your mind without your consent, excepting those people held against their will and forcefully subjected to brainwashing, and even then it's still a willing surrender of the mind, albeit an understandable surrender brought on by extreme duress. But most people have a choice as to whether or not they will be subjected, and if you are successfully persuaded to a belief or mindset or action that you supposedly do not want, it is nothing more than your weak will. Sorry, but true. Secondly, taking FULL responsibility means not just taking responsibility for superficial actions or your "moral compass" (which is relative and subjective anyway) but for the entirety of one's existence here on this planet and what that means on a deep level.

For example, I see that you're in the UK. I don't know you so I may be wrong, but I'm going to assume that you:
a) have some belief about the state of the planet and the oppression of third world peoples/those living in poverty/etc is wrong yet
b) you are likely living a fairly standard western life (I could be wrong on both counts, I know)

Given that, do you take responsibility for the fact that your fairly standard western way of living is both directly and indirectly responsible in large part for the pollution of the planet and the oppression of millions of third world peoples? You say you are responsible, so does that mean you live off the grid? Do you live completely green and eco-friendly? Have you eschewed money, only as absolutely necessary? Does that mean you never purchase products or obtain services that in some way contribute to oppression of people anywhere? Are you really doing anything different - being the change you wish to see, as it were? Chances are the answer is no. I admit I'm merely making an inference and don't know for certain, and if you do live like that - and there are people who do - then my hats off to you. But if you don't, then you have to ask yourself if you are TRULY taking responsibility for your actions.

Even if the elitist bankers could do things differently to ease the burden upon the planet (and they could), they don't have to. More importantly, they're obviously not willing to. So where does that leave us non-elite folk? Whining and waiting for them to do something while nothing changes? Getting mad because they aren't doing anything, again while nothing changes? Making only surface changes so that still, nothing really changes but you feel better? Is that really taking responsibility? Really?

This is the most ballegerant idiocy I've EVER heard in my life. You're meaning to tell me, the NEW WORLD ORDER/ILLUMINATI/BILDERBERG are trying in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM with their MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF INTELLEGENCE, WITHHELD SCIENCE THAT COULD CHANGE THE FACE OF THE PLANET FOR THE BETTER are in any SHAPE OR FORM HELPING THE POVERTY, THE SICK, THE POOR, THE PEOPLE THAT SLEEP IN DIRT?

You're telling ME. That my poverty, the fact that I am poor, that I AM THE ONE AT FAULT? When all money is, is a ILLUSION!

I don't care if you're a mason, or part of the illuminati, or whatever it is you are. You are SICK, DERRANGED, AND SHOULD BE REMOVED from this board for even SUGGESTING such a thing.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
This is the most ballegerant idiocy I've EVER heard in my life. You're meaning to tell me, the NEW WORLD ORDER/ILLUMINATI/BILDERBERG are trying in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM with their MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF INTELLEGENCE, WITHHELD SCIENCE THAT COULD CHANGE THE FACE OF THE PLANET FOR THE BETTER are in any SHAPE OR FORM HELPING THE POVERTY, THE SICK, THE POOR, THE PEOPLE THAT SLEEP IN DIRT?

You're telling ME. That my poverty, the fact that I am poor, that I AM THE ONE AT FAULT? When all money is, is a ILLUSION!

I don't care if you're a mason, or part of the illuminati, or whatever it is you are. You are SICK, DERRANGED, AND SHOULD BE REMOVED from this board for even SUGGESTING such a thing.

He's not saying that they are helping all those people at all, they arent helping people! they are helping the planet NOT the people at all. Like a classic matrix saying when the machines are trying to classify us they put us into the virus category. Makes sense to me