The NWO is "not bad" (Illuminati are doing the correct thing)

reply to post by orderedchaos


Yes, DJHIVES and nemesis are the first ones to put this info on the Youtube.
those of you that have time..Watch them all

reply to post by janeson


Janeson
EXCELLENT POST

your brother said something ALL The masses FEEL but dont want to express.
another common quote is the following
"they must know something we dont know, thats why they attack that country and its better we dont know"

EVERy single person who marches and protests against any government FEEL the same way but dont want to admit it out loud.
excellent observation. much like mine in the bar the other day
when I told that person I did not vote the reply was
"if you dont vote you can not complain for the next 4 years" EXACTLY


and yes, they know how to hunt and kill animals coz its the most basic simple thing we as HUMAN animals should be able to do. the masses are DELUSIONAL in their thinking.

good for you. YOu are looking after yourself and your family. most important.
take it from there.
and remember, when the sht hits the fan, the illuminati will not be the ones trying to hurt you
it WILL BE YOUR NEIGHBOR

reply to post by cosmicpixie


pixie girl.. Im so sorry but you might want to consider doing some Cognitive therapy by yourself.
coz this post is about things we can OBSERVE.. you know, REALITY.

the point of the movie the matrix is not about running and hiding. HIDING FROM WHO?
you are hiding from YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITies.

when you say "those of us that believe there is extraterestrials at work behind this..." I say.
what the fuk are you talking about it.

DO you NOT OBSERVE the simple fact that again...you, like the masses, are putting the BLAME on things that YOU CAN NOT SEE or talk to? LOL
OBSERVE
similarities between E.T and the ILLUMINATI
the masses can never talk with them when they want
the masses do not know much about them
they are the perfect scape goat for the problems of the average person
they are NOT THERE TO RESPONSE...they dont care
and so on..

first, psychologically understand WHY you are so obsessed with blaming things on things you can not discuss anything with.
move on from there.

reply to post by Flighty


the masses are KNOWING.
#, even you KNEW BEFORE you "eyes were open"

you all need to get off of your high horse and OBSERVE a simple psychological FACT.

EVERYONE does what they WANT.
rarely is there a case in life that people DO NOT DO WHAT THEY WANT.
example,

even the person who says "I have to work 3 jobs, I hate it but I have to for my family"
1st. HE DOES IT SO HE CAN COMPLAIN
2nd. IT was his CHOICE to have kids


So dont kid yourself, just because they dont know the details of how it all works or DONT KNOW THE NAMES does NOT MEAN they are not aware of the Artificial Womb.

Good for you to learn how to take care of yourself.

the only problem is that you need realize that YOU are starting to ACT like the elite. THIS IS WHY the masses WILLINGLY GAVE CONSENT TO HAND OVER POWER TO THEM in those terms. "HEY elite, you are responsible, so take care of what I need".
now
start thinking like them, instead of supporting the masses who DO NOTHING besides complain, watch tv, etc...

reply to post by cosmicpixie


OK
EVERYONE
why do you all assume the MASSES have been conditioned. (because it makes YOU feel SPECIAL.. thats right KIDS.. you say that and think that so YOU can feel above others. HAHAHA)

IF no one is holding a gun to your head, YOU ARE CHOOSING to believe what they say.
THAT IS A CHOICE
conditioning someone involves NO FUKING CHOICE>

IF i say to you, jump off a cliff and an angle will save you
you believe it...DID I MINIPULATE YOU?

oh some people LOVE to feel SPECIAL. its a combination of Psychology and REALITY.

please, No such thing as conditioning when you WILLINGLY turn on the TV.
WIllingly BUY the magazines and newspapers.

the masses are CHOOSING to live in the fantasy world. THAT IS NOT CONDITIONING OR MANIPULATING>
end of STORY

reply to post by munkey66


first.

WHY do you assume the masses are CHILDREN and the ELITE are the adults? because??
I know why, but think about it.

SEcond, why do you...or the masses, BELIEVE the lies that have "been fed" to you all?
HMMMMM again, think about it.

ANY fuking INFORMATION is out there for anyone to find.
WHY DONT THEY
BECAUSE they are happy with the info that is provided for them, IN FACT, they love that info that is why they begged for it. Support it, buy it, pay for it, etc...

I am not spinning anything,
If I lie to you and you believe it there is 2 reasons.
1. YOU CHOSE not to think on your own or do research on your own (lazy)
2. YOu LOVED the lie so much that you did not care about its truth(it made you feel safe and good)

END OF STORY

but go ahead, keep blaming the few for what the MASSE DO (who kills in war)
and also
YES, the masses DO WANT TO KILL.. Do not mistake this with what THEY SAY

reply to post by Tallsorts


SOrry my friend, YOU ARE WRONG

1st. RESPONSIBILITY means taking care of yourself, educating YOURSELF.
you are talking like a true member of the masses.
"THEY have to go out of their way to educate ME...FEED ME.."
wrong
THERE are plenty of ways to get educated, to learn, to grow.. BUT, the masses DEMAND other things.
CAN YOU DENY THIS SIMPLE FACT.

if the masses wanted to be like the illuminati..guess what, THEY WOULD BE. NO one is holding them back
but
they keep voting on AMERICAN IDLE,
they keep shopping. etc... THESE THINGS KEEP THEM IN THE FANTASY WORLD
but its a CHOICE.

have you read about how certain elite became RICH? BY taking responsibility. creating. working hard.
NOT going to the mall and pretending everything willl work out.


the wars in the last 500 years have been fought BY THE MASSes
is this that hard to believe.
IF I walk to you and say go fight with that guy on the street or HE WILL KILL YOU.
DID I LIE
or did you WANT TO KILL and chose to use my WORDS as an excuse.

PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN.

reply to post by Novise


Yet you agree that the people who will be the leaders of the camps will be your neighbor.
NOT the rothschilds or rockefellers etc...

and let me say this now. THE FEMA CAMPS WILL BE VOLUNTARY.
oh you heard that right you SPECiAL people who have "woken up" but choose to blame.

IT will be voluntary. you will beg to go in there coz they will provide you with food and shelter.
again, listen to me. CHOICE

as for me.. who knows. I dont claim to know how to fix the problem that millions of people have created.
the world is the way it is because thats how people want it to be. remember
difference between what people say and what they want

Hope you guys read that all.
coz it took me some time to write it..

again, my point is to let you all feel how much power you have, instead of feeling like the power lies with a few.
and
appreciate what the elite have done for you and the masses.

If you see a bum on the street begging for money, do you think
A. poor guy, here is some change it will HELP HIM
B. poor guy, life was hard on him here is some change it will HELP HIM.
or
C. I feel bad, but hey, such is life. let me step over him and get home on time.

IF you chose A. you are NOT HELPING HIM. the reason why you GIVE money to him is SO THAT YOU CAN FEEL GOOD. only that.
IF you chose B. you are fist making him a victim of his life, which is crazy, and giving him money so that YOU CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF.

If you chose C, you are a cold hearted bastard...messing around. You are thinking about yourself and your family. good for you.

the bum CHOOSES to stay a bum (lets say he has no medical or serious illness) because IT WORKS FOR HIM.
just like
how the masses CHOOSE to go to war, CHOOSE to vote again and again when EVERYTIME they realize the lies and so on.

because it works for the masses

reply to post by MrJelly


Point taken.

Star for you!

reply to post by MrJelly


1. ET's are a reality to many of us, just not you. You bang on about us having responsibility to discover the truths that are out there..some people, including myself, have spent years researching subjects like this and find ourselves coming to certain deductive conclusions that others (usually those who've not done their research) have not.

2. Conditioning begins at birth. Children and teenagers are not fully formed mentally, psychologically or emotionally, etc. The choices they make are from a platform of immaturity. Youngsters (and alot of adults) are like Pavolv's dogs....once conditioned, they are pretty much controlled. It takes a certain something to make previously conditioned people wake up and that certain something does not happen in everyone.

You don't seem to allow for any nuances or shades of grey in your stance, everything with you is completely black and white, rigid and you believe yourself to be 100% right. You are terribly angry and hostile with it . Incredibly offensive too, deigning to accuse someone of psychological failings simply because they do not see the world the exact same way you see it.

I agree with you on alot but I think you are simplifying certain things too much. There is a middle ground here which you refuse to encompass. I think I'll pop over to a different thread now, it just goes around in circles with you unless the replies happen to agree with you 100%.

Happy New Year.

reply to post by MrJelly


agree.... they did a test on this as well... when a person was asked to electrify another, he did so, even though he knew it was wrong, in part because he was he felt he was ordered to do so. Concepts of right or wrong aren't taken into account when orders are given hense you give up that freedom, you end up puting yourself in the masses category.

You have presented us with some profound thoughts.

Control over the individual by the collective weight of the masses is a reality.

It is compounded by the dark forces of the thought realm which work on and through the sleepers.

When a sleeper begins to awaken, a new realm of Divine thought, love and reason opens to him.

No longer a sleeper, he rises from the ashes of the masses.

Awakened he contols no one. Nor does he want to.

That would be foolish.

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reply to post by cosmicpixie


Oh how you make me laugh CosmicPixie.

REALITY is OBJECTIVE...NOT SUBJECTIVE. so your alien loving friends are subjective. when you say it is a reality for a lot of you...I wonder about you. that sentence does not make sense.
maybe it is real, maybe it is not..BUT the fact that we have ask about it means it should NOT FALL INTO THE conversation. AGAIN you FAIL to observe reality and more importantly you FAIL to observe your own faulty logic, which stems from putting blame on an entity you can talk with etc...
simple psychology,

Next, What is with you and KIDS and babys and CONDITIONING.

when you reach adulthood you have a CHOICE. YOu either start rethinking everything you have learned OR you end up just believing everything.
EITHER WAY, you are not CONDITIONED. You have made a CHOICE.
again
DO NOT ASSUME that you are special just coz you know about this info.

BUt I understand WHY these ideas are SO IMPORTANT TO YOU.. because if you accept their obvious faulty logic, you will have to come to grips with reality and responsibility. YOU will have to observe the masses for what they are and NOT What you have made them out to be in your mind...VICTIMS.

Also, yes I am right on this subject. that is why I am posting about it. there are thousands of things I am not certain about, so I talk about them and learn. BUT THIS IS SO right.
and
THERE IS NO GREY area...ONLY grey aliens. OHHH lol

what you say is the GREY area only means this "THere are things that are complicated and we dont know about" yea, another phrase to keep you from admitting the obvious.

again, TRY to argue with the logic above. IMPOSSIblE.

but you maintain the victimness of the masses and the evilness of the illuminati

2 kids grow up in the same house, same school, same tv shows..etc..

one ends up being in the army and proud, the other ends up being noam chomsky.
HMMMMMMMmmmmm
"but they were both conditioned Mr.JELLY, waaahaaahawaaw, they were victims of their upbringing." no such thing. THEY CHOSE to be victims of the place they grew up. One CHOSE to maintain the ideology of his parents schooling etc.., the other chose to think differently and on his own. BOTH MADE A CHOICE. no victims.
NO FREAKING GREY AREA coz I COVER IT ALL.
oh im sorry
I forgot, one of them was taken up by aliens and SHOWN THE WAY to the truth path
the other was taken up to the stars by the EVIL REPTILIANS.

reply to post by John Matrix


uhhhh
WHAT????????????

Dark REALM? wtf
this is not star wars brother.

also, when you fool the masses it is because they WANT to be fooled. THey know the truth but rather be fooled..this puts them in the position to say "I was told by that guy this information..I am just a victim"

give the masses what they want and YOU WILL GO FAR. look at where the illuminati got by doing EXACTLY that.

but I do hear what you are saying...NOT
sorry brother
I am not into that wisdom matrix control no one.

if people want to be controlled, why NOT provide that options for them

I understand what you're saying and want to thank you for exposing your point of view.
It's a fact that we have been lied to since our birth, they have poisonned our food, our air and lots more, injected us with all kind of stuff (vaccins) telling that is good for our health. On this one, you will tell me it's not the fault of the Iluminatis but of the doctor who hold the seringe. OK
In this sense, I see them as teachers who want to make us learn through experience how bad this can be. And from what I have learn lately, it seems the experience is going to the extreme. They want to kill us all. Right?
What I don't find fair from them is that when someone wakes up, take responsibility for his own life and start being influential to others, they just kill him (or send someone to. Why don't they play the game with the rules. If they were not evil as you seem to say, there would be no need to kill. Eventually the truth will start to expand and humanity as a whole would wake up and responsablize itself. And yes, we will all be grateful to them because they would have helped us to wake up, like a spiritual master of some sort.
But this is not the case.
My humble thought

Firstly, I belong to a Masonic order and do know who the Illuminati are. The Illuminati bloodlines are roots to a tree that bears historical branches both political and religious. However, these branches have bark you see and pulp you do not. The bark seems to be an overlay of good intentions but in reality the pulp of their agenda is not a peaceful, war less, contented society. It is in fact intentionally created to be the flat plane of existence where tyranny and totalitarianism reside. If you take a look at UN documents , past presidential speeches, historical world conferences and the documented testimonies of those who are on the "inside', you will see this New World Order is a facade created for the "masses", I agree. But, those with ears to hear and eyes to see must be able to realize that Democracy, individuality, capitalism, nationalism, sovereignty, and freedom are not what any "common" person hopes to attain. The masses are content with eyes wide shut, in the dark, with a pittance of food in their bellies and a hot coal on the stove to keep them warm. I am in this world to gain what those who have saccrificed and died to give me wanted for me, and I am proud to say NO to the NWO!

reply to post by MrJelly


I find your sense of ridicule towards people that disagree with your point of view quite disturbing.

To me your points are just as credible as the ETs out there. They are a possibility , so I respect both. If you are going to be skeptical , bring hard evidence to the table , that can be acessed first hand by you and us. Then I believe most will buy into that ridiculing especulative game.

Try teaching your son , from birth that stealing and killing is the right way to live. See what happens ! Better yet , do that to 6 billion people from birth , and see what % of that will realize soon enough before it is too late



Peace.

reply to post by jungledas


again
BY choosing to live in the artificial womb (or choosing to live at all instead of killing yourself), you must observe reality and nature.
nature states that there is RISK.

also,
those "poisonous foods" etc... DID anyone put a gun to your head and tell you to eat them?
the pills, the water? NOPE, you like the masses CHOSE..WILLINGLY to eat all that food instead of BEING RESPONSIBLE and growing your own food, hunting for yourself, etc...

its a matter of CHOICE. NO one is forcing anything.
even the teachers...you dont have to believe what they say.
next

when you say why do they kill people who "wake up" and try to be responsible, you are forgetting a simple fact.
THE masses LOVE HOW THEY LIVE> the masses do not want to be reminded of the choice they have made to live in the artificial womb.

for example,
ever try to tell someone about the illuminati or whatever, 1 of two things happen.
they either say you are crazy conspiracy bla bla bla
or
they get angry.
lol

think about it. THey get angry coz they know about it but do not want to discuss it.

reply to post by bewareofCFR777


You are absolutely right. I agree with every word you said except the last sentence.

so you are aware of how the Masses think and act. So, the logical conclusion is that the NWO is what the masses want.
now
if you do not like it because it will hinder YOUR PROGRESS in life. THat is a beautiful thing to say.
While I do feel that the NWO is already here and will get even more powerful, you must realize a simple fact...the responsible few will not be held back by the new world order.



so You and I completely agree with what the masses think, feel, want, and can do.
but if thats the case
how come you want a democrcy, can you imagine the masses making choices that actually matter.
scary