Wait a second?... How is it that I'm the one that's crazy, insane, delusional, and brainwashed?

reply to post by HunkaHunka


So, HunkaHunka, I know you read the last posts, don't you have some explaining to do, and at least try to show us that you are a honest person, and that I am completely wrong?

It really amazes me that the very same die hart bleeding Government supporters of the 911 lies, always show up defending their lies, with nothing but insults. Everyone can read it in their post, I notices how they try to keep you busy arguing and fighting over ridicules bogus claim, to keep you from exposing more truths. I just don’t believe they are that ignorant they are the government shills, no question about it. Cash, was right, they are helping the terrorist they sold out ^$%#@ traitors.

We don't need to search anything. It's obvious: 9-11 was orchestrated by the CIA, the NSA, the MI6 and the MOSSAD.

There has never been a terrorist event in the USA that muslims were responsible for.

Originally posted by masterp
9-11 was orchestrated by the CIA, the NSA, the MI6 and the MOSSAD.

Anyone else? So much for keeping the circle of "in-the-knows" small.

Why would the NSA be involved? Their purpose is cryptography, not false flag operations.

It doesn't help our argument to point blame at specific groups. We have just as much proof that the CIA, MI6, and MOSSAD were involved as we do that peace activists from Sweden were involved.

The point is, stick to the facts. Attack the lies and expose the truths. Pointing fingers does nothing. Ultimately it is the arguments and the evidence they consist of that will sway public opinion and uncover the truth.

posted by enigmania
I just took his own words and used the officiall account of events to verify his story, and it turns out it doesn't add up.

posted by SPreston
An anonymous person with absolutely no evidence to prove his/her relation to reality. HunkaHunka is totally worthless as a reliable eyewitness; about as valuable as the Mainstream News Media

posted by enigmania
No sh.

I don't know if you read any of my other posts, but if you do, you'd understand my approach.

Yes I read them. I did not disagree with your posts. I do have about three years of research into this area.

I just took his own words and used the official account of events and simple common sense to verify his story, and it turns out it doesn't add up.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029
Don't quit now you've got 76 stars so there's a lot of us that agree with you.

Many people are waking up to what is going on and it's posts like yours that help seed people to further understand how we've been manipulated.

Good post!

posted by fleabit
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Of course you find it hard to believe enigmania.. because like all the others who are just positive there is a conspiracy, discount anything that doesn't agree with their opinions.

For example, above isn't the only example of someone who saw the plane hit the Pentagon, there were many witnesses who said they saw this happen.

So now that little tale by HunkaHunka has been proven a lie; do you have anything else to add? It is perfectly hunky dory for alleged eywitnesses to lie when supporting the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY as long as they get away with the lie? Is that your position or do you have a comment?

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Maybe they should rent from Larry ?

Larry Silverstein - how to make money in insurance

LOL

Originally posted by Gonenuts
It really amazes me that the very same die hart bleeding Government supporters of the 911 lies, always show up defending their lies, with nothing but insults. Everyone can read it in their post, I notices how they try to keep you busy arguing and fighting over ridicules bogus claim, to keep you from exposing more truths. I just don’t believe they are that ignorant they are the government shills, no question about it. Cash, was right, they are helping the terrorist they sold out ^$%#@ traitors.

Some ppl have a lot to lose if the truth gets out mainstream.

Some ppl would likely lose their lives in fact.

So them supporting their lie in the face of facts is a must.

When the facts come out, and the masses realize their families
were sacrificed for a lie there are going to be some mighty pissed
off ppl looking for some retribution.

Don't count me among them though, I am just bugging out and
riding out the coming storm.

Good Luck to you all !

The OP is right on. I feel for those who have been misled and believe the 'official story'

Those people are going to have it rough when the they come to the realization they were lied to.

I think there are more people than we think out there that just keep to themselves, but are aware of the deception behind that day.



& to Novus about the NSA: Ever heard of Jonn Perkins?

[edit on 30-12-2008 by pirateman]

Wow... one day sure makes a difference. I can't thank the members of ATS enough for the comments, stars, and flags in this thread.

Let me go read through all the comments, I'll take a few notes, and I will dish out out a few replies as the night goes by.

Again... Thank you. It's been awhile since I didn't feel so alone. But after so many replies, I don't know what to say... So this is what I've decided to do for now...

People on other internet forums in the past have told me that I post too many youtube videos to get my point across. Well, I don't plan on stopping that habit.

It helps me illustrate better than words just where my mind is... What's the old saying? "A picture is worth a thousand words"

Well what's a motion picture worth?

If I could borrow three minutes of your precious time... I'd like to show you the Valley of Elah... I hate to spoil a good movie for you... but this is where my mind is and I don't know any other way to explain how I'm feeling.



oh yea... the song is by Anne Lennox and it's called "Lost".




I'll be back... I just got to read through this thread first.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


I have still yet to see any "real" evidence of anything except
folk in the Mid-East hate Americans more than any other people
on the planet. Would they hate Americans enough to justify
blowing something up, yes, yes they do.

Most of the Evedince on display is circumstanial at best and because
something can't be expaliand then it "must" be a conspiracy.
A lack of Evidence is not Evidence.

Of all the things a Government has done, then this would have
to be the "only" thing they have managed to do right and be more
sucessfull than anything they have even planned to do.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi

1-I'm not sure what it is about 9-11 that brings the immaturity out of people,

2-Why would rigging the building have to be done quickly?

3-A majority of the military would not need to be controlled in order to cover up 9-11.

4-Iraq, however, is different. The "findings" would be forced to be presented to the IAEA and the United Nations.

5-It is much more simple to do what they did on 9-11 than it is to fake weapons of mass destruction findings in Iraq.

1- didn't you know? The majority of truthers are young white men. There have been studies that prove that the human brain really doesn't mature until 25 or so. From reading truther posts, it's apparent that truthers, for the most part, haven't reached that level of maturity.

2- so it makes sense to you that they'd prep the building and leave it for weeks and months?

3- so the secdef wired the buildings, directed the planes off course, etc all by his lonesome? Busy guy...

4-which are also under control of the NWO, according to the insane....

5- no, it ain't. WMD's need not exist AT ALL. According to the 9/11 kooks, the NWO controls everything, except when it's inconvenient.

Originally posted by Gonenuts

As cashlink, always say to you, when your ship is sinking you have nothing left but your little snide, sick, twisted rude remarks, how pathetic.

You know what's even more pathetic?

When someone starts a thread questioning why everyone they know considers them mental when they bring up their 9/11 CT's...... it gets more stars and flags than threads that offer decent content.

And then truthers offer up little snide, sick, twisted, rude remarks about how everyone that understands the "OS" to be true. And THEN turn around and make pathetic posts that accuse others of doing just that.

what you can really think is that, despite those who are aware of the obvious and not trying to pretend they too cant see that 911 was an inside job, is that actually all they and you are doing is bringing your attention away from what is imporant.

that is not verifying or proving that we live in a world of lies, or corruption. Because what will that do?

work on the self, and the
creation, through your own conscious thought of, well what ever you want to create.

the law of attraction, your attention and your power to transform energy into whatever you want, is not going to be achieving peace and harmony, honesty and happiness. If all you do is argue that 911 was an insdie job, or attack those who did it.

The truth is the majority of people who post and do threads here no nothing. But you all know this, where you put your mind, you will go.

So put your mind to where you want to go.

I know, i see, i feel, and have felt the anger and rage at the deception and the negative emotions that inhibit and damge me. I am moving away from taht. to repair the distortions in my electro magnetic field, to awaken, and to learn truly from the infite creation

I am grateful. Whilst i forget or relearn habits that do not create negativity.

if you can say one good job about 911, well done for making so many people believe that this is the work of a made up group.


if you dont fight there is no fight.

one love

i reccomend wingmakers.com

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


Great video! Our Country is in distress, and in direr need of help, if only people will wake up. Once everyone one wakes up, We The People can take back our Country from these criminals, and throw them out of office, and hold them accountable for their crimes. If we don’t act on this soon then, we will see this Country sink in to dictatorship. When that happens it will be too late to do anything, they will turn the military against the American people.

reply to post by Seymour Butz

You are a joking!
The only people I see using pathetic tactics like this is YOU!

When someone starts a thread questioning why everyone they know considers them mental when they bring up their 9/11 CT's...... it gets more stars and flags than threads that offer decent content.

Truth hurts hu! On the other hand, are you just jealous?

And then truthers offer up little snide, sick, twisted, rude remarks about how everyone that understands the "OS" to be true. And THEN turn around and make pathetic posts that accuse others of doing just that.

I have “not” seen any truthers offering up none of the above comments.
People who are presenting the truth do not have to stoop as low as YOU, and others who only support LIES! People, who support Lies, use every dirty tactic under the sun because they do not have anything else to fight with.
People are not stupid as you think they are they can see who is being deceitful you are not fooling anyone here.

I always liked the simplest of all the conspiracies of 911. The reporter that just happened to find Osama and took his picture. How long have we been looking for this guy? We are to believe that a simple reporter found him in his mountain hideout and took his picture.

Like I said before people should research other things and move past this event there is much more to uncover than this event. Its an endless debate that will never be won no matter how damming the evidence.

I just want to know about all the 911's showing up in the movies before the event...Neo's passport for instance.

There are several instances in movies that have the number 911 or 2 towers falling. Now that is a whole conspiracy in itself. Some people call it synchronicity.

I leave you with this link....

Gate of the God

Is New York City -- plausibly the greatest city on earth -- the city called 'Babylon' personified by a 'great whore'? Does the scriptural passages concerning the fall of Babylon have some relevance to the 911 terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center twin towers? Indeed, since many had long compared NYC to the scriptural 'Babylon', the 'prophecies' in Revelation quoted above can quite naturally be considered applicable to the first major attack on the US homeland - one of the biggest, and most shocking, terrorist incidents in all history. Although some may object to the resultant implication that NYC is the city of sinners that had to be destroyed by 'God' himself, I'd point out that the sense of 'good vs. evil' in the Bible is quite a murky one that should not be taken too literally. (In fact, nothing in religious writings is to be taken literally - it's a trap that ape-brained men can't seem to get past... and this has caused so much trouble for the world throughout history. This is what happens when a powerful 'gift' is given to those who are not ready to handle it. History of mankind since c. 4000 BC -- when 'Pandora's box' was opened -- is the story of humans struggling to co-exist with the divine 'gift'.) A case in point: in Genesis, we read that at one time men were all united, spoke one language, and worked together in harmony toward reaching 'heaven':

www.goroadachi.com...

More from his site...

The 2-Year Offset Scheme

This problem perplexed me for a long time. But rather than forcing a contrived interpretation upon it, I decided to just patiently wait for the answer to make itself known to me (and I felt quite confident that I would get the answer sooner or later). It was on February 7 (2002) that the answer finally began to appear, thanks to an article by Robert Bauval (the brain behind the Orion Correlation Theory) posted on a online message board. It was titled "SATAN’S CALLING CARD SEPTEMBER 11: A DATE TO REMEMBER" and discussed the symbolism and synchronicity involved in the '9-11' event.

It contained information concerning calendrical issues related to the date, September 11. I learned that ,for the Ethiopian and Coptic/Christian-Egyptian calendars, the Gregorian Sept. 11 almost always marks the New Year's Day. In the year 1999, however, Sept. 11 also coincided with the Jewish New Year, known as Rosh Hashanah. So, here is our first clue as to the connection between 9-11 and 1999. Bauval then goes on to point out that:

...the Jewish ‘New Year’ has a much deeper meaning to orthodox Jews. It is associated to the Messianic Age, and many Jews today actually believe that it will be on that ‘Feast of Trumpets’ that their long awaited Messiah will come and make his appearance on the ‘Temple’ at Jerusalem. This day, it is said, will be the ‘ultimate redemption’ of Israel. Curiously, in recent years fundamental Christians have also associated the 11th September with the Second Coming of Christ, probably to conform with the ‘Rosh Hashanah’ Judaic prophecies but also, apparently, because some believe the true ‘star of Bethlehem’ appeared to the Magi on the 11th September 3 BC in the east, when a bright light was seen at the conjunction of the ‘star of kings’, Regulus, and the ‘planet of kings’, Jupiter, and when the sun, Venus and Mercury were in Virgo.

www.goroadachi.com...

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Hey Doomsday 2029, I'll give you a star too. I'm a fence sitter but lean toward not just 19 fanatical Muslims.

Now your screen name, interesting. Is that the year a near earth object is predicted to pass so close to our planet that it will go in between the earth and the moon?