Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Shirakawa


Yeah, and notice that's at 238 microvolts. About half of the usual LKWY display of 500. I told yas those were some pretty good jolts. At 100 microvolts like YML, they'd look even bigger than that.

But glad this issue is put to rest. It's nice not to be so wrong.

Collectively we/you all do some pretty danged good detective work

My hats off to you all.

On a side note I'm -Never- playing poker with Robin, he's too lucky, I'm also glad he's not a weather man. Great analogy on the phoenix/dragon at YS BTW.

M.

Follow up to the New Jersey earthquake today

New Jersey earthquake sparks panic


www.telegraph.co.uk...

For those of you that think the "pipecleaner" debate is over. I've got a copy of an email from Jake Lowenstern on the issue. He mentions the heating and AC guys, but he adds some more points to ponder. I won't leave you totally guessing, he still thinks they are man made. I'm just waiting for permission to post a copy of it here. Stay tuned, I think you'll find it interesting.

Originally posted by manotick


Follow up to the New Jersey earthquake today

New Jersey earthquake sparks panic


www.telegraph.co.uk...

"Like an explosion" - same like an explosion or sonic boom - that we had in SO Cal. last week - I believe these are not what we are being led to believe they are -
Typical Earthquakes. No.

I just glanced at LKWY to make sure the "pipecleaners" (capterpillers) were keep there regular beat. Just making sure the heater is on. And what do you know? The signatures were appearing regularly about every seventy minutes. Then suddenly they started appearing every twenty minutes and now they seem to have disappeared. Funny thing. If this is a noise vibration, the wind may be obsuring it. Now wait, there's no wind at present. I think there is still a tiny trace of them, but they're faint. Wouldn't a heater running, or pump be a consistent signature? The signatures seem to have changed their characteristics again. I've been on both sides of this debate, and thought I was sure of the cause. I'd still put my money on a fried component in the LKWY monitor. But something in the back of my mind is nagging me. I think there are two new ones "pipecleaners/caterpillers", but they are very faint. It would seem they are back and maybe it's a fifty minute cycle. I can't believe I'm sitting around watching the runnings of a heater. I swear I'd drop this, but I got a nagging voice in my head. I watched way too much Magnum PI. You know that feeling he'd get when things weren't adding up, and he knew things weren't always as they seemed. It's a gut instinct. You can't prove them. So you got to just file them away for the moment. What side of the fence was I on again.

reply to post by Mushussu


Thanks for the CAMS clarification Mushussu! Nice of them to help educate us on the particulars. The only independent evidence I found was a picture of the shack, next to the satellite dish - but I think somebody else already posted it pre-100 posts.

Now, what else can we label as a top secret geyser?

This is the AQS located near LKWY.

picasaweb.google.com...

[edit on 3-2-2009 by left turn only]

reply to post by Robin Marks


Now remember he sent you a "filtered" Seismo at .75 Hz upper Bandpass...MAYBE...they applied this to "Public" transmissions after re-upping the scale to 500M/v to "squelch" this topic...not all bad from my view-point...you all wanted to know if it could be compensated for...WELLLLLLLLLLLLLL???

reply to post by startx.jeff


The maintence building, which houses the "IMPROVE" air station has had a a pump problem before. January of 2007, it would occur every third day or so until fixed. I will provide link for webicoder to show vibrations which occured when a pump's moorings were loose and it was rapping up against a wall. This ought to give you audio guys something to play with. I still can't download all those files. I'm just trying to find my way around the web half the time. I only know how to watch You Tube videos. I loved the maps with the swarms showing locations and some had sounds. You could post a whole channel and label everything and give description and everyone could listen and comment and pass on. You couldn't even have cool graphic showing scale or just add pictures of Yellowstone. Just a thought. Oh ya. the link for January 21 2007 LKWY.

theinterveners.org...

reply to post by Robin Marks


Dang...yer storage of intrinstic whooha data is impressive...I'll have to dig up that that copy of the Magna Carta I backed-up in 1300 AD (and Scanning it was a PAIN back then also...)

Oh... didn't I say something about putting a "damper" on a vibration-coupling apparatus...a few pages back....silly me...you ever think of ordering from the "Video Professor"...I hear he can "talk" ya through almost any application & it's free! (except shipping...well at least the first course...)



[edit on 2/3/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Some good new articles on Yellowstone earthquakes- you may want to save this google news link and check it for updates. Kind of odd that the press ignored the swarm at the time but now the NY Times, Forbes and others are writing about it a month later.

news.google.com...

reply to post by Mushussu


Dear Mushussu,

In the email you recieved, the representive told you the following, "The signal noises began around 22-NOV-2008 and lasts nominally about 20 minutes per each signal and about once every 45 minutes to an hour. Signal is still occurring at this time. I looked at records last winter and they were there then as well."

The last statement is not accurate to my knowledge. I checked the records for the winter of 07/08 and found no "pipecleaner/caterpillers". Not one. I checked single day.

[edit on 2/4/2009 by Hx3_1963]

As promised, and with permission of my good friend Gary, here is Dr. Jake Lowenstern's explaination of the "pipecleaner/caterpillers".

"Mr. Lowenstern,

LKWY has been showing a "pipe cleaner" indication recently (again). I did not ask about it before because I thought it an anomaly. It is on the seismograph again so I must ask about it.
Could these indications be caused by a CAM station, or possibly a building nearby? Maybe it is the monitor itself. Like a fried component?
It is very unusual to me and I am very curious to know what might be causing these "caterpillar" or "pipe cleaner" indications on the graph. They do vary in amplitude, or intensity somewhat.
I have read an opinion that it may be water leaking from the lake. I suspect it is more likely something else. Please say it is unknown. That would make life interesting.
Thanks,
Gary"

"Dear Gary,
LKWY is a USGS station, part of the USNSN operated by the Earthquake folks out of Denver. It is located in a maintenance area where there is electricity to power this power-hungry station (it transmits via a satellite dish instead of a radio and thus requires more power). There is a nearby IMPROVE station that measures air quality. A couple years ago we had a problem with a pump in that station that was far more annoying. You can see it on the Jan 24, 2007 LKWY webicorder trace. Turns out the pump was loose from its moorings and was vibrating against the wall. The problem only occurred every third day, but generated a lot of noise. We ended up contacting the contractor that operates the air quality station for the NPS. They were out of Fort Collins, CO. The next time they visited the park they found the defective pump and our problem went away.
This one is quite different. The USGS technician thinks it's probably a heater or an AC unit (yes, I'm not sure either why an AC unit would be on right now). The NPS sent a maintenance guy out to see if it might be something obvious, but he couldn't sleuth it out. Others have come up with ideas for other possible interferences. Basically, it doesn't significantly effect the ability of the station to locate earthquakes, and it's clearly a non-natural signal, so it's not worth spending money to fix at this point. Next time a USGS or UU technician heads to the park, they can try and figure it out. A special trip would cost a lot of money for a small problem that might not get fixed, especially since we don't have keys to all the various sheds that might harbor the offending equipment. It is also possible that the faulty component is within LKWY itself. We'll track it down, but you may just have to live with the problem for another few months.
So yes, the problem is unknown. I'm not sure that makes it REALLY interesting, but perhaps more interesting than if we knew exactly what was causing it. And no, I don't think the "gurgling bathtub drain" hypothesis holds much water (pun intended)."

Did you love the dig at me in the end? Of course it's deserved, I was the one out here spouting all kinds of ideas. And on You Tube. At this point I'm disagreeing with whatever positon I take at the moment. When I think it's a pump. I then convince myself it isn't. And then I find inconsistencies in evidence given by the rep who claimed the signatures appeared last winter. I don't what the hell to think. My best guess is that it is a fried component. They had a technician down listening and they didn't hear anything loud enough or obvious enought to solve the mystery.

Someone awhile back asked if this was all relevent. It must be. "Others have come up ideas for possible interferences." Maybe they're cheating and listening to your stuff to get an lead. It's relevent enough that they're discussioning it, should why shouldn't we.
Top Secret Geyser? It's not secret, if it happens I can show you precisely where it is.

www.youtube.com...

What is causing the "pipecleaner/caterpillers"? No one knows.

Nice activity at YMR. Three spikes and some curious LP earlier that reflect around the park..

reply to post by Robin Marks


Robin, I am not sure why you needed permission from Gary, who ever he is, to publish Jake's letter. I am sure having had a little contact with Jake that it was not a problem. I know from your previous post that you were not inclined to believe Jake, but this should surely convince you that what he says is right as it more or less coroborates the other fella. Perhaps we can let this rest now?

This being a good conspiracy site however I would add that when I asked Jake a couple of weeks ago he did not know what it was other than it was not natural.........??

Actually no, not conspiracy, as Jake has said to me his area of research is NOT seismology. I am assuming he is a vulcanologist, so seismo questions are not in his field.

reply to post by Hx3_1963


I think the "standard" LKWY webicorder already has some sort of high pass filter applied. Look at this picture I made on raw data from LKWY station converted with PuterMan's QuakeData to audio wave before (above) and after (below) applying a 1 Hz high pass filter:

i39.tinypic.com...

If the filter wasn't applied you would see large swings (called 6-second period seismic waves) caused by earth rotation and tidal forces, that are not very relevant, and make low amplitude signals like the "pipecleaner" very hard to read.

reply to post by Hx3_1963

Thank you Hx3_1963,
Much humor and grace you have.
Please forgive my note below on my reply.


To Robin, Sir
I thought in all honesty that I had provided a well researched and viable explanation to the Pipe-cleaner signature. Not only that , but brought it to the attention of some well respected people in their industry and expertise, who by the way, thought it odd and were intent on figuring it out to establish its cause. Why? Because it screws up their research as well.
If they figure out what it is they can fix it or label that signature as a known source.
Or maybe someone is already up there and that could explain the timing cycle change.

Please, with respect, let this fish go. We may find its answer later.





[edit on 4-2-2009 by Mushussu]

What, let it go? Are you kidding me? What will we do with ourselves then? LOL! I don't think we can, we've already tried! We can always hope though! Good luck on that one, crew! You have my best wishes and support regardless!

Another one in Utah! Talk about some diverse places!

PRELIM: M2.2 18:10 2/03 41.8N 112.3W 10 km ENE of Howell, UT UTAH Z=10km UU 02031810 33b24

Next we'll have a bad one in Wells Nevada or somewhere else you wouldn't think there should ever be one! Oh, already happened, nevermind.....
Idly wondering if it's relevant that South America is now the place everyone is moving to.... you guys know me

[edit on 4-2-2009 by dodadoom]