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We Won't Lose the 2nd Ammendment...Yet
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Obama and his Gang are too sly and too intelligent to challenge the gun-toting-crowd. They will sneak in the back door and subtily take the guns from
American citizens without fighting one court case. How?
I lived in a particular county in North Carolina for some time and bought a dog (This is going somewhere so hold on). Dogs require mandatory shots and vets are required to fill out mandatory paperwork to register dogs they treat. They submit this paperwork to the government. A month later, I received a mandatory bill in the mail from the government requiring me to pay a mandatory yearly tax of $75.00 for my dog, as long as I owned the dog and lived in that county in that state. I believe the amount was determined based on the size of the animal. You own a cat, you all of a sudden own a billed tax per year. You own a dog, ... You get the point.
Now, let's apply this liberal taxation principle to guns. "You must register every gun you own with the government, which has not already been registered upon purchase or trade. Concealed weapons permit carriers must register every gun. We have your names. If you do not register your guns with us, and it is found out that you have any firearms unregistered with the government, all of your guns will be legally confiscated, and you will be fined to the maximum, and imprisoned till you are 150 years old." Now, for every gun you own, depending upon the type, it will be taxed yearly. By the way, these liberals will make it hurt dearly with a hefty tax every year. If it was $75 a year for a dog (and they love dogs, trees, rainforests, cats, etc.), then how much of a tax do you think they will impose per gun on you (and they hate guns and hunters and gunowners)? Let's suppose it is at least $150 a year per gun for medium calibur firearms, for starts. Add it up. In addition, the taxes on ammo going through the roof. In addition, other imposed taxes on gun dealers, being transferred to gun buyers on every sale. Then after it gets really painful financially, they have a super "offer". "For every gun you bring down to our scheduled "gun turn-in", we'll pay you a good estimate amount for whatever type of gun you bring to us."
Here is a guy struggling financially because of idiots in our government who have borrowed and overspent forever, until America is falling apart. He barely makes ends meet. His job is on shaky ground. The budget is tight. He has no savings whatsoever. But he loves his guns and believes in the 2nd Ammendment. He plans on keeping his treasured guns to give to his kids one day, but now he gets a $1,200 dollar bill for his 8 guns in his gun cabinet, with a letter declaring that this is due every year, and for every gun not listed on his letter, which has been registered, he must send in the enclosed form declaring all other firearms in his possession, and include an additional incerased amoutn of $300 per weapon, which he has not declared up until this point, risking much greater penalties and imprisonment if he does not comply immediately." But... the "gun turn in" is every week at the local police depts. The media pumps it up as "the right thing to do". Kids start being taught in public schools that it is for the safety and patriotism of America. Before long, kids are being told to report to their teachers, etc., if their parents have guns in the house and how many. Very similar to kids years ago being told to report parents immediately if they spanked at all.
We won't lose our 2nd Ammendment...yet, but we will by begging the government to take our guns so we are not strangled by the ever-increasing yearly taxes, and to help us opt out of ownership with a little money for our guns. This is how I believe Obama and his Gang will make it happen. What do you think?
I lived in a particular county in North Carolina for some time and bought a dog (This is going somewhere so hold on). Dogs require mandatory shots and vets are required to fill out mandatory paperwork to register dogs they treat. They submit this paperwork to the government. A month later, I received a mandatory bill in the mail from the government requiring me to pay a mandatory yearly tax of $75.00 for my dog, as long as I owned the dog and lived in that county in that state. I believe the amount was determined based on the size of the animal. You own a cat, you all of a sudden own a billed tax per year. You own a dog, ... You get the point.
Now, let's apply this liberal taxation principle to guns. "You must register every gun you own with the government, which has not already been registered upon purchase or trade. Concealed weapons permit carriers must register every gun. We have your names. If you do not register your guns with us, and it is found out that you have any firearms unregistered with the government, all of your guns will be legally confiscated, and you will be fined to the maximum, and imprisoned till you are 150 years old." Now, for every gun you own, depending upon the type, it will be taxed yearly. By the way, these liberals will make it hurt dearly with a hefty tax every year. If it was $75 a year for a dog (and they love dogs, trees, rainforests, cats, etc.), then how much of a tax do you think they will impose per gun on you (and they hate guns and hunters and gunowners)? Let's suppose it is at least $150 a year per gun for medium calibur firearms, for starts. Add it up. In addition, the taxes on ammo going through the roof. In addition, other imposed taxes on gun dealers, being transferred to gun buyers on every sale. Then after it gets really painful financially, they have a super "offer". "For every gun you bring down to our scheduled "gun turn-in", we'll pay you a good estimate amount for whatever type of gun you bring to us."
Here is a guy struggling financially because of idiots in our government who have borrowed and overspent forever, until America is falling apart. He barely makes ends meet. His job is on shaky ground. The budget is tight. He has no savings whatsoever. But he loves his guns and believes in the 2nd Ammendment. He plans on keeping his treasured guns to give to his kids one day, but now he gets a $1,200 dollar bill for his 8 guns in his gun cabinet, with a letter declaring that this is due every year, and for every gun not listed on his letter, which has been registered, he must send in the enclosed form declaring all other firearms in his possession, and include an additional incerased amoutn of $300 per weapon, which he has not declared up until this point, risking much greater penalties and imprisonment if he does not comply immediately." But... the "gun turn in" is every week at the local police depts. The media pumps it up as "the right thing to do". Kids start being taught in public schools that it is for the safety and patriotism of America. Before long, kids are being told to report to their teachers, etc., if their parents have guns in the house and how many. Very similar to kids years ago being told to report parents immediately if they spanked at all.
We won't lose our 2nd Ammendment...yet, but we will by begging the government to take our guns so we are not strangled by the ever-increasing yearly taxes, and to help us opt out of ownership with a little money for our guns. This is how I believe Obama and his Gang will make it happen. What do you think?
How are they gonna find out about what guns you own? illegal searches?
the NRA would fight this fiercely as well.
more likely they will tax ammunition sales and ban reloading.
with ammunition obscenely high no one but the most elite are going to want to own firearms.
the NRA would fight this fiercely as well.
more likely they will tax ammunition sales and ban reloading.
with ammunition obscenely high no one but the most elite are going to want to own firearms.
And then another 11 year old boy can kill his 10 year old cousin by "ACCIDENT!!!"
BAN WEAPONS FFS! BAN THEM ALL!
BAN WEAPONS FFS! BAN THEM ALL!
reply to post by SpookyVince
If guns were against the law and it was punishable by death to be in violation. It would keep them off the streets killing people.
The thing that makes me laff is the people that say we need our guns encase the government starting doing evil things to its populace. lol. Guns would not be able to do #. If the government became evil and they wanted you dead... with the technologies they have, you would be dead.. and sorry to say, no gun could help you.
We also dont have to worry about foreign countries trying to invade, as it would be fought with womd, not little guns. Forget about civil wars...as the military would stop it before it happened. Putting the rebels in jail faster than peanutbutter on jelly.
So whats the use of guns other than criminals killing innocent people. Want to protect your self from nut jobs? Have them create a new powerful tazer that could shoot multiple times.
Peace.
[edit on 27-12-2008 by One_of_Manny]
If guns were against the law and it was punishable by death to be in violation. It would keep them off the streets killing people.
The thing that makes me laff is the people that say we need our guns encase the government starting doing evil things to its populace. lol. Guns would not be able to do #. If the government became evil and they wanted you dead... with the technologies they have, you would be dead.. and sorry to say, no gun could help you.
We also dont have to worry about foreign countries trying to invade, as it would be fought with womd, not little guns. Forget about civil wars...as the military would stop it before it happened. Putting the rebels in jail faster than peanutbutter on jelly.
So whats the use of guns other than criminals killing innocent people. Want to protect your self from nut jobs? Have them create a new powerful tazer that could shoot multiple times.
Peace.
[edit on 27-12-2008 by One_of_Manny]
Wow, to the two posters above, you trust the government with your safety? I don't, and won't ever trust anyone else with my safety and well being
but myself. Everything government touches, falls apart. They are kind of like the exact opposite of King Midas in Greek mythology. I don't need
anyone telling me how to live my life, or anyone telling me that I need to give up something for my own safety. I am intelligent enough to decide
whether or not I feel safe around one object or another. I also recognize others ability to do this as well. It's not up to me, you, or uncle Sam
to tell anyone else how to live their lives.
reply to post by One_of_Manny
Only public school standards can get people to take a big bite out of this apple. People are not naturally and on thier own merits and demerits this dumb.
Historically disarming people has never stopped killing..on or off the streets. Neither has death. Fear of Death has never stopped crimes of passion.
When I was robbed recently at gunpoint...the fear the three assailants had the most ..was did I have a gun. Three times they mentioned it. Ironic for someone who already had a gun.
I cannot imagine what some people are thinking out here. I can only believe they think themselves secure behind thier television sets and public education.
Government is never trustworthy ...ever. The founders went to great lengths to explain this to us....and why this is. Most of public education standards teaches exactly the opposite today.
Orangetom
If guns were against the law and it was punishable by death to be in violation. It would keep them off the streets killing people.
Only public school standards can get people to take a big bite out of this apple. People are not naturally and on thier own merits and demerits this dumb.
Historically disarming people has never stopped killing..on or off the streets. Neither has death. Fear of Death has never stopped crimes of passion.
When I was robbed recently at gunpoint...the fear the three assailants had the most ..was did I have a gun. Three times they mentioned it. Ironic for someone who already had a gun.
I cannot imagine what some people are thinking out here. I can only believe they think themselves secure behind thier television sets and public education.
Government is never trustworthy ...ever. The founders went to great lengths to explain this to us....and why this is. Most of public education standards teaches exactly the opposite today.
Orangetom
reply to post by One_of_Manny
Well, if you don't like the logic of the founding fathers, then how about this? If someone breaks into my home, I'd rather be holding a gun than a phone. I will take care of myself, thank you. I feel safer that way.
I didn't particularly like guns myself, or care much about them one way or the other. Until the middle of one night when someone was outside my house trying to break in the back window. Generally speaking, burglars break into homes during the daylight working hours, for obvious reasons-- most people are not home and burglars don't want to confront homeowners if they can avoid it. On the other hand, what kind of man do you think breaks into a woman's home in the middle of the night? He's not there for the television. Fortunately, my roommate had a gun. She yelled out to inform the would-be intruder that she had a gun while I called 911. Then we sat there with the gun while we waited ten minutes for the police to show up.
Ten minutes. A lot can happen in ten minutes.
I went out the next day and bought a gun. And no one will ever convince me that I'm better off without it.
Just last year, my neighbors up the street shot an intruder in their home in the middle of the night while the man was entering the children's bedroom. I posted the article on ATS on another anti-gun thread.
Let others depend on the government to protect them when someone breaks into their homes. I'm not that naive anymore.
Well, if you don't like the logic of the founding fathers, then how about this? If someone breaks into my home, I'd rather be holding a gun than a phone. I will take care of myself, thank you. I feel safer that way.
I didn't particularly like guns myself, or care much about them one way or the other. Until the middle of one night when someone was outside my house trying to break in the back window. Generally speaking, burglars break into homes during the daylight working hours, for obvious reasons-- most people are not home and burglars don't want to confront homeowners if they can avoid it. On the other hand, what kind of man do you think breaks into a woman's home in the middle of the night? He's not there for the television. Fortunately, my roommate had a gun. She yelled out to inform the would-be intruder that she had a gun while I called 911. Then we sat there with the gun while we waited ten minutes for the police to show up.
Ten minutes. A lot can happen in ten minutes.
I went out the next day and bought a gun. And no one will ever convince me that I'm better off without it.
Just last year, my neighbors up the street shot an intruder in their home in the middle of the night while the man was entering the children's bedroom. I posted the article on ATS on another anti-gun thread.
Let others depend on the government to protect them when someone breaks into their homes. I'm not that naive anymore.
sounds possible however, i have a concealed carry permit and never had to register ANY gun with anyone in the course of getting it.(in fact they
specifically told us NOT to bring our firearms to class) Also i have never registered any gun i own at all as its not required. i can go out today and
buy a gun from a private party advertising in the local paper and legally never have to tell anyone that i have it. so unless they plan on visiting
every home they will have a hard time implimenting an ownership tax on guns.
so it might work for new purchases but i think it might be impossible to do so on the guns already owned.
i think where they will get us is the ammo, heavy taxes on ammo, restrictions on quantity, permits for ammo, etc.
a gun without ammo is a really cool looking expensive club.
so it might work for new purchases but i think it might be impossible to do so on the guns already owned.
i think where they will get us is the ammo, heavy taxes on ammo, restrictions on quantity, permits for ammo, etc.
a gun without ammo is a really cool looking expensive club.
I saw the trailer to the new Clint Eastwood movie, "Gran Torino". In one scene, a priest is giving him crap about scaring off a bunch of gangbangers
with an M1 instead of calling the cops.
He says, "Well, I prayed for help to come, but guess what? Help didn't come."
It doesn't help when the cops are minutes away, and you need them in 15 seconds.
He says, "Well, I prayed for help to come, but guess what? Help didn't come."
It doesn't help when the cops are minutes away, and you need them in 15 seconds.
IF GUNS KILL PEOPLE,THEN...
KEYBOARDS MISS SPEL WURDS,
CARS MAKE PEOPLE DRIVE DRUNK,
SPOONS MADE ROSIE O'DONNELL OBESE
KEYBOARDS MISS SPEL WURDS,
CARS MAKE PEOPLE DRIVE DRUNK,
SPOONS MADE ROSIE O'DONNELL OBESE
Originally posted by ludaChris
Wow, to the two posters above, you trust the government with your safety? I don't, and won't ever trust anyone else with my safety and well being but myself. Everything government touches, falls apart. They are kind of like the exact opposite of King Midas in Greek mythology. I don't need anyone telling me how to live my life, or anyone telling me that I need to give up something for my own safety. I am intelligent enough to decide whether or not I feel safe around one object or another. I also recognize others ability to do this as well. It's not up to me, you, or uncle Sam to tell anyone else how to live their lives.
That's because you're living in the US my friend. It's the country of "freedom". Freedom to be stupid, to kill kids, to let kids kill kids, to shoot on that other car because the driver drives too slow, to think that because you own a gun nobody will do you harm, to think that you are the law in your place, to think that nobody can tell you what to do or not. And see the result.
I live in Belgium. Even though we have still at the moment no government, and that's because our politics suck, I can tell you this: NOBODY needs a gun here. NO ONE. We don't have guns. Only the cops and some really bad people do. And you know what? I can leave my car unlocked at night, and I can leave my house unlocked. And I am safe.
I am sorry to say, but a certain "american spirit" that was dictated by some false patriots has destroyed what could be a nice place to live in. Instead, you have generated a whole population of gangsters, mobsters, various criminals roaming the place, carelessly, and the rest are hiding at home or behind their saint 2nd amendment to be in a situation where anyone entering on their garden risks their life!
Stupid thinking.
I work for NATO, and as I have said before in another thread, I know many, many good americans. And they are not the kind to defend a right for a gun. You know why? Because they've known something else than the US. And you know, they're military too! I have nothing against americans, I have a lot though against some americans (and just the same, agaist some people wherever they may originate, that's not even the point). Because, once again, your government and mainly your media are really brainwashing the people and the kids. It is sad to see...
2 examples to illustrate what I think has become the "stupid" America:
- a few yearrs ago, we had a new guy in the base, a young black american soldier. He was litterally afraid of getting out of the base (for shopping, going out, etc.) because that's Belgium! How insane? Just and only because he had heard that in Europe we didn't support that war in Irak (and indeed we didn't), and then he was feeling in enemy territory!! Totally insane. Scary even.
- case lived yesterday evening: this 16 year old girl was somehow "demonstrating" her physical abilities by lifting herself from the ground, using only her arms, resting her hands on the top of the high chairs around the bar, in the bowling alley where I was yesterday, on camp. At one point, what was normally expectable for a normal person nearly happened: the two chairs started to tilt backwards, due to her weight pulling them from their normal standing situation. I just had time with another person to push her (and the chairs) to their front so that she didn't fall on the ground. I said "yeah that had to happen you know, be careful not to fall!". She replied, to my absolute astonishment: "f... that, I"ll sue them". What the ... ???? Sue them for what? Sue them because you're STUPID?
You see, those 2 ones, and many others, are prime examples of why the US is surely not a good place anymore. It could be much better, but it would take a long time re-educating the people into another way of living. Think what you want, it's not prehistory in here, and we have a real good life. Real good!
Just again today, I've read that a guy has been shot at in a cinema because he was making too much noise... What kind of country is that? What kind
of nutcase goes to the cinema with a gun with him!!??? Very, very sad. I'd feel safer to roam with the gangsters than being in a cinema with an idiot
like that in the room!
Source: article
Source: article
reply to post by Survivorman1969
I'll assume that is a state tax, I didn't see it if it's in there. Yeah it could be a pilot program for a back door gun control.
Don't register your firearms! Firearms registration is " common sense gun legislation".
History is full of this type of "common sense" and then comes the firearm confiscation. It works every time.
Roper
I'll assume that is a state tax, I didn't see it if it's in there. Yeah it could be a pilot program for a back door gun control.
Don't register your firearms! Firearms registration is " common sense gun legislation".
History is full of this type of "common sense" and then comes the firearm confiscation. It works every time.
Roper
reply to post by SpookyVince
First of all you work for Nato, which means you're all ready brainwashed into thinking guns are bad...2nd.,Just looked at crime stats. in your country, not real impressive....Defending yourself and family is a God given right ..People always look at how many people were killed because of guns, not how many peoples lives were saved because of guns..I'm a gun carrying American and damn pround of it...But I do believe they will try to take our guns and ammo some how...From my cold, dead hands.
First of all you work for Nato, which means you're all ready brainwashed into thinking guns are bad...2nd.,Just looked at crime stats. in your country, not real impressive....Defending yourself and family is a God given right ..People always look at how many people were killed because of guns, not how many peoples lives were saved because of guns..I'm a gun carrying American and damn pround of it...But I do believe they will try to take our guns and ammo some how...From my cold, dead hands.
"Obama and his Gang are too sly and too intelligent to challenge the gun-toting-crowd. They will sneak in the back door and subtily take the guns
from American citizens without fighting one court case"
Do you have the slightest evidence that they will try?
Or is this still based on the same groundless scare-story?
I think you're being scammed - and the news that guns and ammo are selling out everywhere tells you where the profits are. Think you've got any clues about real conspiracies....?
Do you have the slightest evidence that they will try?
Or is this still based on the same groundless scare-story?
I think you're being scammed - and the news that guns and ammo are selling out everywhere tells you where the profits are. Think you've got any clues about real conspiracies....?
SpookyVince, you have alot of valid points but getting rid of the gun's won't solve anything. Somethings are just deeply rooted in "certain"
societies. If they start taking away decent citizens firearms in "America" criminals would still own them, don't you agree? Should we blame death
metal or movies if someone listens/watches a movie then kills someone?
The standards that work for some countries just don't work for others, look at how vast people are. I understand completely what you are saying though, there should be something done to toughen gun laws. I live in a state where you can go to a gun show and buy almost anything you want. I'm not sure if I need a sub machine gun with 80round clip to protect my family.
[edit on 28-12-2008 by ecain]
[edit on 28-12-2008 by ecain]
The standards that work for some countries just don't work for others, look at how vast people are. I understand completely what you are saying though, there should be something done to toughen gun laws. I live in a state where you can go to a gun show and buy almost anything you want. I'm not sure if I need a sub machine gun with 80round clip to protect my family.
[edit on 28-12-2008 by ecain]
[edit on 28-12-2008 by ecain]
There is nothing that a National Socialist state (NAZI) wants more than to have their country disarmed.....
Just look what happened to Germany when it was disarmed. You get a few Crazys that take over the government and then they can do what every they want to whom ever they want. Russia same thing.....China.....same thing.
When you take away a citizens right to defend himself then you make him a slave of the state.
Yea Belgium is a great country.....thats why I know so many of them here in the USA saying how bad it is there. They moved here to improve their lives not to live in basically a Socialist state where you are taxed to death and have no recourse. So keep your waffles and stay in Belgium and thats great that you can leave your keys in your car.
When tanks roll in from your own country and your government says you now have to do what ever they say or you go into a "Re education" camp. Good luck to you......
Just look what happened to Germany when it was disarmed. You get a few Crazys that take over the government and then they can do what every they want to whom ever they want. Russia same thing.....China.....same thing.
When you take away a citizens right to defend himself then you make him a slave of the state.
Yea Belgium is a great country.....thats why I know so many of them here in the USA saying how bad it is there. They moved here to improve their lives not to live in basically a Socialist state where you are taxed to death and have no recourse. So keep your waffles and stay in Belgium and thats great that you can leave your keys in your car.
When tanks roll in from your own country and your government says you now have to do what ever they say or you go into a "Re education" camp. Good luck to you......
SpookyVince, you said,
“you have generated a whole population of gangsters, mobsters, various criminals roaming the place, carelessly, and the rest are hiding at home or behind their saint 2nd amendment to be in a situation where anyone entering on their garden risks their life”...
Wow, this is what you think of the US, eh? It doesn’t look like that to me. But what do I know? I just live here.
I have guns. They put meat in my freezer. They are tools, used carefully and with sense - like a car, a pocketknife, a hoe, or a chainsaw. We don’t outlaw those items here either, even though they can be used as assault weapons.
People as individuals submit to government for increased social order. But the person without government, only responsible for self, is concerned about feeding and sheltering that self – and defending their self. Self defense is a basic need of the individual, and a government still cannot, as others have put much more explicitly, do a better job of this than the individual.
Banning guns doesn’t keep them away from people who wish to do you harm, it only takes away a sound means of defense against those people. Even if you were somehow able to rid the world of guns, knives and traditional weapons, as well as erase the collective weapon-creating knowledge of the world – there would still be people wishing to do harm, and those people would still find a way to do it.
Hm. It’s nice that you think our country can be saved with a little “re-education”.
Survivorman1969, sorry your thread is getting de-railed.
It’s an interesting subject. I do think it will be increased taxes on ammo and arms, and a lot of other subtleties at first. I’m really surprised at the complacency I'm seeing when discussing this and other issues. We should always try to be on top of what’s going on in Capitol Hill. Join special interest groups that point you to the right bills that are important to you, if the time can’t be spared to dig through them all. Sitting back and letting our representatives handle it just isn't enough.
Thanks,
1080
“you have generated a whole population of gangsters, mobsters, various criminals roaming the place, carelessly, and the rest are hiding at home or behind their saint 2nd amendment to be in a situation where anyone entering on their garden risks their life”...
Wow, this is what you think of the US, eh? It doesn’t look like that to me. But what do I know? I just live here.
I have guns. They put meat in my freezer. They are tools, used carefully and with sense - like a car, a pocketknife, a hoe, or a chainsaw. We don’t outlaw those items here either, even though they can be used as assault weapons.
People as individuals submit to government for increased social order. But the person without government, only responsible for self, is concerned about feeding and sheltering that self – and defending their self. Self defense is a basic need of the individual, and a government still cannot, as others have put much more explicitly, do a better job of this than the individual.
Banning guns doesn’t keep them away from people who wish to do you harm, it only takes away a sound means of defense against those people. Even if you were somehow able to rid the world of guns, knives and traditional weapons, as well as erase the collective weapon-creating knowledge of the world – there would still be people wishing to do harm, and those people would still find a way to do it.
Hm. It’s nice that you think our country can be saved with a little “re-education”.
Survivorman1969, sorry your thread is getting de-railed.
It’s an interesting subject. I do think it will be increased taxes on ammo and arms, and a lot of other subtleties at first. I’m really surprised at the complacency I'm seeing when discussing this and other issues. We should always try to be on top of what’s going on in Capitol Hill. Join special interest groups that point you to the right bills that are important to you, if the time can’t be spared to dig through them all. Sitting back and letting our representatives handle it just isn't enough.
Thanks,
1080
SpookyVince is afraid of Americans with guns??? Good! I am afraid of liberals from Belgium who work for NATO reviewing what we say about guns and
our rights. That sounds really fishy and strange. By the way Mr. Spooky, you wouldn't feel so confident in nightly strolls through Belgium if
Americans weren't protecting your gun-less rear-end from countries which threaten Europe's borders. NATO??? Ha! If it wasn't for the armed USA,
NATO would be a joke to the rest of the world's non-NATO countries. The day America will be better off is the day we sign off of any and all
allegiance and promised protection to any foreign countries. I don't live in Belgium, but I do live in the blessed USA, and we still hunt here for
food, and we aren't stupid enough to take strolls through the park at night un-armed. One more thing: Most violent acts with guns are committed by
those who didn't purchase the guns honestly.
I met a man from Europe on a flight last year. We had the same discussion. He believed it was idiotic to own guns and to make such a big deal about having rights to own guns. No matter what I said, he couldn't understand the mentality of Americans on this issue. The bottom line is, we have the right and therefore exercise our right to own guns. Our forefathers saw a need for it so they put it in our founding documents. They had just left liberal Europe and wanted it that way. They didn't want to be European slaves to government anymore, ruled by tyrants at times, with no ability to fight back. Belgians on the other hand today do not have that right, to own guns. They cannot exercise the right ever because even if they wanted it differently, they are still ruled by their government, instead of the government being ruled by, and working for, the people of the country. America believes that the people can do a better job with what they have, but Belgians believe they cannot do a better job than the government, so they leave the nanny-government to nurse them and take care of them. Fine! Love your country if you want to, but don't criticize America and America's ways, or we might get tired of taking care of your whiny______ and leave you to the dogs. Protect your own sorry self. The only reason you can shoot off at the mouth so much is because we protect your backside. Case closed. Next!
I met a man from Europe on a flight last year. We had the same discussion. He believed it was idiotic to own guns and to make such a big deal about having rights to own guns. No matter what I said, he couldn't understand the mentality of Americans on this issue. The bottom line is, we have the right and therefore exercise our right to own guns. Our forefathers saw a need for it so they put it in our founding documents. They had just left liberal Europe and wanted it that way. They didn't want to be European slaves to government anymore, ruled by tyrants at times, with no ability to fight back. Belgians on the other hand today do not have that right, to own guns. They cannot exercise the right ever because even if they wanted it differently, they are still ruled by their government, instead of the government being ruled by, and working for, the people of the country. America believes that the people can do a better job with what they have, but Belgians believe they cannot do a better job than the government, so they leave the nanny-government to nurse them and take care of them. Fine! Love your country if you want to, but don't criticize America and America's ways, or we might get tired of taking care of your whiny______ and leave you to the dogs. Protect your own sorry self. The only reason you can shoot off at the mouth so much is because we protect your backside. Case closed. Next!
Survivorman1969, you are the most perfect example of the branwashed yankee. Have you ever come here? No. have you ever wondered how it would be to
live in a free world? No.
Americans came here to save us in 1918, and also in 1945. Do you think we forgot? If so, I invite you to come in my town in the last weekend of august, every year, and witness something that no american living there in your country ever has (unless he's 85 at least): a show with those tanks of the time running into the city, and they're all sincere thanks. Stay in your dream my good man.
My grandfather gave me once 100 Belgian Franks. That was in 1985. Do you think I still bow before him for that?
Live with your time, monsieur! Those laws were to protect men from animals in a time when most people lived in remote places. They're not of any use anymore. Unless you want to see those news like above every bloody day!
You are criticizing Belgium, but have you ever come here? I don't think so...
Americans came here to save us in 1918, and also in 1945. Do you think we forgot? If so, I invite you to come in my town in the last weekend of august, every year, and witness something that no american living there in your country ever has (unless he's 85 at least): a show with those tanks of the time running into the city, and they're all sincere thanks. Stay in your dream my good man.
My grandfather gave me once 100 Belgian Franks. That was in 1985. Do you think I still bow before him for that?
Live with your time, monsieur! Those laws were to protect men from animals in a time when most people lived in remote places. They're not of any use anymore. Unless you want to see those news like above every bloody day!
You are criticizing Belgium, but have you ever come here? I don't think so...
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