Small math, big truth

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Hey, that Boeing runs across the thick steel beams as if they were made by camel's crap.



Simple math:

Steel : Camel's crap = Smart men : goats

Calatrava

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hey BB ... so what happened with Mars? .... hahaha ...

It looks like you don't even have second grade. You can't use simple math in this case, it's not like 2x2 ... you have to include some physics here ...
Ooooh ... i forgot, you don't even know what it means

Originally posted by baburak
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you have to include some physics here
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Debris fall down vertically. Simple physics: OBJECTS FALL DOWN VERTICALLY.



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Hey, after 24 hours of flames our skyscraper stands up. Simple physics: STEEL AND REINFORCED CONCRETE ARE NOT LIKE THE CAMEL'S SUN-DRIED CRAP.

You have no experience in physics laboratory.

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I will do the same thing as i did on your other thread in the summer. I won't answer here anymore as i see you are ignoring facts and trying to prove something with stupid theories that even a 12 year old kid would know they are wrong.

So, good bye all

Originally posted by baburak
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i see you are ignoring facts and trying to prove something with stupid theories that even a 12 year old kid would know they are wrong.
...

My dear friend, you are in recession because you have not the power, the technology, the space technology we all thought real.
You have been deceiving all the world for 40 years from 1969 with 6 fake moon landings and you are deceiving all the world also today with NASA's fake and ludicrous landings on Mars.



Hey, only goats can think these poor flames can destroy a skyscraper of 500,000 ton

The true evolution of the story is this: flames become more and more dark and extinguish because sprinklers work very well.

Simple physics, simple math, simple truth.

Simpleton

The true evolution of the story is this: flames become more and more dark and extinguish because sprinklers work very well.

Problem was that the sprinkler plumbing were smashed by the aircraft
impacts - sprinklers were inoperative above the 92th floor (North)
and 78th floors (South)

Survivors reported water cascading down stairs from broken pipes

B.J.B.: Water was pouring down the stairwell, and all the while the building was creaking and cracking, and it felt like it was coming apart.

Erik O. Ronningen : I remember how calm and orderly the descent in the stairwells was… and how smoky… accompanied occasionally with the snapping sounds of tortured pipes and walls stressed beyond endurance.

The black smoke was result of carbon rich fuels burning - at first the jet
fuel from the aircraft, later plastics from floor covering (carpeting),
furniture (urethane paddind) and office dividers (Styrofoam/urethane)

Plastics are made from petroleum and burn with 50-100% energy
(12,000 - 16000 btu/lb) verus organic (wood, paper cloth - 8000-8500
btu/lb)

Originally posted by thedman
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Problem was that the sprinkler plumbing were smashed by the aircraft
impacts - sprinklers were inoperative above the 92th floor (North)
and 78th floors (South)

Survivors reported water cascading down stairs from broken pipes
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My dear friend, a Boeing that crashes against these thick steel beams



can bend but can't demolish them.

Some pieces of the Boeing can brake some pipelines but there are several

pipelines in a sprinkler system.

And yet, why have not firemen used these???

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Very strange.

Simple physics: if you have to extinguish flames, you have to use water.

Originally posted by thedman
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Problem was that the sprinkler plumbing were smashed by the aircraft
impacts - sprinklers were inoperative above the 92th floor (North)
and 78th floors (South)

Survivors reported water cascading down stairs from broken pipes

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My dear friend, several vertical pipelines are used in sprinkler systems.

And yet, why have not firemen used these ???

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

Simple physics: against flames you have to use water, much water.



Calatrava

[edit on 29-12-2008 by Calatrava]

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You know nothing about firefighting

Why would the FDNY be using an aerial tanker to fight a fire in a skyscraper?

These planes are used to fight fires in wilderness or rural areas - the
FDNY does not possess any. Also explain how one could get to the WTC
in an hour - its not like they are standing around crewed and fueled

Building fires are fought from the interior, the idea being to protect
unburned areas and to push the fire back over the burned out area
to extinguish it.

Dumping water on the roof would do nothing to extinguish a fire burning
20-30 floors below deep inside the building.

It addition to severed sprinklers/standpipes for fire fighting the FDNY faced a long exhausting climb of 80 floors (South) or 90 floors (North) to
even reach the fires. All the elevators had been smashed by the aircraft
impacts - Battalion Chief Orio Palmer found the only working elevator
a freight elevator which ran to the 41 floor. It stopped working soon after


Again. Simpleton....

i tend to wonder why the hijackings stopped if they're so successfull. why not hijack planes somewhere in the mideast and drop them on us targets in iraq?

manhattan is one of the richest cities in the world. if it's suceptible to such an attack surely it could be done elsewhere.

i tend to wonder why the hijackings stopped if they're so successfull. why not hijack planes somewhere in the mideast and drop them on us targets in iraq?

Actually hijacking had pretty much died out by late 1990's - special ops
forces had developed tactics to combat conventional hijacking -
those in which hijackers seize plane and passengers, fly to some location
and begin making demands. These hijackers were dependent on cooperation of the flight crews to take them where wanted and help
keep passengers under control. Many countries would refuse landing
permission to hijacked aircraft - in some cases going as far to block
runways. US authorities were concentrating on bomb attacks like that
of PAN AM 103.

The 9/11 hijackers did not want the passengers as hostages, the passengers were "in the way" and had to be controlled. Witness what
happened on Flight 93 when passengers figured out what was going to
happen. They wanted the planes - no normal flight crew was going to
fly plane into building, no matter how much pressure was applied. 9/11
hijackers killed the flight crew and were trained to fly plane - at least
the basics in handling an aircraft.

To carry out 9/11 took large group (19 hijackers, at least 4 trained to
fly), high degree of planning and training which required 2 years to under take.

Originally posted by RFBurns
The buildings were designed to collapse vertically. The intense heat from the burning jet fuel after impact was not some typical camp fire going on in there. The sheer weight of what was above the impact points is what caused the framework to give way and since the buildings were designed to collapse vertically...down they came...as they were designed to do.

Surely no one was expecting them to topple over like a tree cut at its trunk?

Basic laws of physics took hold, ie gravity and the engineering put into the design of the buildings prevented more damage than what was caused.



Cheers!!!!

Did you see the same footage I saw? I never saw the buildings topple like a tree. One started to, but fell right into it's foot print bypassing the laws of motion all together.

The buildings, if you watch the footage, do not topple. Each floor explodes in a wave detonation downwards till it hits the base.

All the smoke wasn't caused by fire, it was caused by pulverized concrete, which is what happens when you blow every floor in a building that never had a plane hit it, that was only on the T.V. version.

What New Yorkers saw, was a drone flying in the same flightpath then breaking into a steep climb after the explosions. You can see these drone aircraft in various pictures, so no one would question people "seeing the planes". If only one saw a plane, then everyone would say they saw a plane, but nobody saw the planes hit the buildings, they just heard the Explosions.

Find a flight manifest from any of the flights, you won't be able too, because those flights were not active on 9-11-01

Even the taxi cab driver infront of the Pentagon has come forward reluctently saying, "It was all staged".

Peace

Originally posted by thedman

i tend to wonder why the hijackings stopped if they're so successfull. why not hijack planes somewhere in the mideast and drop them on us targets in iraq?

Actually hijacking had pretty much died out by late 1990's - special ops
forces had developed tactics to combat conventional hijacking -
those in which hijackers seize plane and passengers, fly to some location
and begin making demands. These hijackers were dependent on cooperation of the flight crews to take them where wanted and help
keep passengers under control. Many countries would refuse landing
permission to hijacked aircraft - in some cases going as far to block
runways. US authorities were concentrating on bomb attacks like that
of PAN AM 103.

The 9/11 hijackers did not want the passengers as hostages, the passengers were "in the way" and had to be controlled. Witness what
happened on Flight 93 when passengers figured out what was going to
happen. They wanted the planes - no normal flight crew was going to
fly plane into building, no matter how much pressure was applied. 9/11
hijackers killed the flight crew and were trained to fly plane - at least
the basics in handling an aircraft.

To carry out 9/11 took large group (19 hijackers, at least 4 trained to
fly), high degree of planning and training which required 2 years to under take.

Why do professional pilots say that the manuvers performed at the speeds they were flying at is such a longshot that there is no way on the first time, with BOTH Planes.

I've tried it in simulation with a 707. It is almost impossible, I couldn't do it at least.

Big planes are not easy to fly and there is no way that a pilot certified in a Cessna could do it, unless they were illegally flying before and had extensive training...even then....Hollywood is Good, but they aren't using Good actors in this one. How many movies did they drill into our heads to produce the "Shock and Awe" of a fake coup?

Anyway, just thought i'd mention that.

Peace

the twin towers were not built with re-inforced concrete frames. they had load bearing interlocking ladders of steel onto which everything was bolted especially each horizontal floor raft of concrete. steel frame towers are not common here in Oz. here we set giant vertical steel bars (actually bolts) then flood them with concrete to form load bearing piers - leaving the tops of the bolts exposed. before the concrete sets, giant nuts over washers at the tops of the bolts are screwed down as the setting process gets towards rock hard so tensioning those giant bolts drowned in concrete. result? concrete piers from basement to rooftop all pre-stressed for life. fire does not melt those load bearing concrete frames & if an aircraft flew into such a tower the wings (loaded with kerosene?) would shear off. Sadly the steel RSJ piers of the twin towers sheared when the planes hit them. The fuel heat melted three floors (10m high) of steel frame. The 30 floors of building sitting above those melted frames dropped 30 ft (10m) when the steel frames of those three buring floors hit melting temp. the inertia of a 30 story tower dropping 30 ft (onto the 70 story remainder of the dry cold tower) was enough to crunch the vertical strength of the first few floors below. they let go - and the inertia of the falling top 30 floors just kept going as the dominoes of floor rafts and steel frames let go all the way to ground zero. Yes it changed the world. 3,000 innocent people at work killed in a country that has IN GOD WE TRUST printed on its money, was ( and still is) bloody hard to comprehend p.s. the weight ratio thing about planes vs buildings (1:2,500) is sweet buggerall compared to a 200 lb bloke getting killed by a spider 3,000 times smaller than him. Good luck America & God Bless. PC from Oz

Only children that believe in Santa can believe you went to the moon 6 times with this ludicrous object similar to a clown, made by cartoons and plastics, that was incredibly able to land going backwards on its flames



Only children that believe in Santa can believe this 500,000 ton tremendously powerful steel skyscraper was pulverized by an airplane



Have you looked to these powerful steel beams carefully?

A Boeing can’t demolish even my 5 floors building.

The real story of Twin Towers in flames is this: sprinkler system worked very well.However flames were not able to demolish the structure in flames even if sprinkler system could not work in several floors.

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Couldn't agree with you more. Its pretty simple, any skyscraper built since the turn of the century was built in accordance and designed to fall straight down through a series of fail-proof methods, much like what we saw on 9/11.

Though I'm not ruling out the possibility of an inside job, I'm just saying that your math may be correct, it is ridiculous to say "Well the math seems to add up so therefore it must be fact."

I also enjoyed whoever said the mice being drenched in fuel and lighting you on fire and see how long you can stand there without falling down while being on fire. Ha-Ha-Ha good point.

Sorry mate, the math looks good on paper but take into effect other key factors. How hot did that fire get to melt the steel structure on those however many floors to make them collapse. What was the initial weight per floor that was damaged and how much total weight and pressure did it put on the floor(s) beneath it? And how can you be so certain that the velocity of the aircraft was what you said it was, 7,000km or whatever on the time of impact? Take into account the weight of the people that were inside of the building estimating that on average a person weighed roughly 160lbs and then multiply that by total casualties. If your serious then exclude those who jumped before the buildings collapsed.

Sure you included some vital factors in your math problem but your missing some and have yet to proven others like the precise velocity of the aircraft reached upon impact.

Hey, look at this video from 1:00 to 1:07

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INCREDIBLE, ASTONISHING.

9/11 was a miracle of engineering.

That aluminum Boeing cuts all the beams as a knife cuts the butter!

Have these great scientists studied in the land of Zulu?



Calatrava



[edit on 4-1-2009 by Calatrava]

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Just to let you know. You are currently in a two way tie for first place to receive the Stundie Award for the month of December. Voting takes place until Jan. 29th.

December Stundie Award!

Best of luck Calatrava!

Originally posted by Calatrava
Only children that believe
A Boeing can’t demolish even my 5 floors building.

I'm sorry bigbrain but you are sadly mistaken or just fail to live in the real world compared to those Boeings these WWII Japanese Kamakazi planes are tiny by comparison and they did a hell of a lot of damage against steel warships.




Something to think about while you win your award and by the way congratulations

SLAY


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Oh fire protection? (something I do for a living).

still waiting for the information on the fire panel? and not to mention the information sent to the remote service?

and for people that don't know about fire protection and what the fire panel is / and remote service...this is like the little black box on a plane.

Still waiting for this information....and it's over 5 years now...why a delay?

If there is nothing to hide? Why can't we see this information?

A canadian friend (still waiting),
me